QT: What rights don’t trans people have?

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[–]wokuspokus[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What legal rights do they not have?

1) Just use the lav matching your sex. True oppression regarding this is not having a female facility, which some places are reverting to (male & neutral)

2) Not a legal right, also applies to women, disabled people.

3)Not a legal right- you can’t control peoples speech. Although it is very rude.

4)They literally can.

5)This has nothing to do with legal rights. Sexual attraction has the word SEX in it for a reason. Not disclosing trans status is coercive rape.

6) If you have medical issues, they should be treated in accordance with your sex. Not legal rights related.

7) How can wanting to take hormones and take risky surgery/ cut off healthy body parts not be a mental health issue? Tbh I think the stigma around MH generally is probably a bigger issue than this classification. It’s okay not to be okay. Not a legal rights issue.

8) Anyone with any ‘issues’ post trauma has this. Nothing to do with legal rights.

9)You get placed with your SEX. To put men in with women, regardless of how they identify, puts women at risk. Not to mention how easy it is for men (not trans) to claim they are trans and have women at their mercy. And it’s happening, check out #thisneverhappens. This is nothing to do with trans people either, it’s just men taking advantage. Your feelings do not supersede women’s rights. How dare you even suggest this!

10) This has nothing to do with legal rights.

11) Women, black people etc.

12)Fairly sure this isn’t true. Having to clarify trans status isn’t infringing on your human rights.

So, I ask again, what RIGHTS do trans people not have?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Males shouldn't have their own facilities either. Just make all facilities gender neutral.

  2. True.

  3. True.

  4. There are numerous instances where trans people are fired for coming out.

  5. That's not the legal definition of rape.

  6. I agree. Many trans people though experience discomfort with the bodies they were born in, so health care professionals need to be sensitive when asking questions. For instance, "what is your sex assigned at birth?" The problem is many GCs are offended in how we would like to go about it. Just look at this thread Taking a stand: I told my gynecologist to take "transgender" off of sex options. My health insurance company has options for male, female, and transgender man/woman/ I don't see a problem with it on the gyno forms. Then they complain about how doctors miss sex-specific health issues in trans people. I know this off topic, but trans people want to improve health care for trans people. GC doesn't like the way they go about it.

  7. Taking hormones to appear another sex or removing breasts is not the same as chopping off an arm. Is getting a nose job a mental illness? Cis men live without large breasts so they are not essential, and people have beards so creating a beard is also OK. I am mentally ill myself and do agree there is a stigma around mental health. But wanting to physically transition doesn't necessarily equal a mental health issue.

  8. People also speculate people become gay due to childhood sexual abuse or trauma. Is that not homophobic?

  9. #thisneverhappens is about documenting trans criminals. Cis people commit crimes too.

  10. True but pop culture influences how society thinks. As a disabled person I would have loved to have an openly disabled celebrity in my teen years so the stigma against disability can be lessened.

  11. You are correct, but cis identities are depicted accurately.

  12. What if the person doesn't believe you are trans or is transphobic?

[–]kwallio 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Taking hormones to appear another sex or removing breasts is not the same as chopping off an arm.

Why tho.

I mean seriously the distinction seems be because trans ppl want it and they also have the conceit that they want think of themselves as normal, when these things are anything but normal. I mean I would like some sort of explanation was to why someone thinking that their arm is evil and must be removed vs the desire of some to remove their genitalia or breasts or something.

thisneverhappens is about documenting trans criminals. Cis people commit crimes too.

You seem to have completely missed the point of the hashtag, women complained that self id would mean that criminals would feel like they have a pass to enter women's spaces and commit crimes, and were basically shushed by people saying it would never happen. Its happened, and happening, as documented by the former reddit sub and now on ovarit. But the trans response seems to be LALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. Its infuriating. The fact that cis people commit crimes is completely beside the point.

[–]strictly 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are correct, but cis identities are depicted accurately.

If non-trans people are depicted as all being "cis" then they are obviously not depicted accurately, and it's leads to non-trans people being misgendered in masse with false gender identities, especially by trans activists. being falsely depicted as having a false gender identity is not privilege, it's something that makes people feel bad. Only people who indeed say they have gender identities should be seen as having gender identities.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

miss sex-specific

If transgender people would not filing compliants on doctors that they "found problem for wrong sex (I am now female by documents and they found male prostate cancer!)" - then maybe treatment for them would be better.

Or maybe if saying their original sex was not such a taboo either. I've read a decent amount of stories and even news articles on how transmen were hurt or almost died because they were passing very well and reported to be "a male" to doctors, so doctors were giving male-specific treatment, waiting for male-specific symptomes or for male levels of whatever hormone was wrong, but instead that needed to wait female-specific ones and transman should be receiving female-specific treatment. In many eastern countries, when legal sex is changed - it is changed everywhere but for medical issues and sports. This makes transgender people to receive correct treatment and be healthy. In Canada such good approach would be illegal - so they are exchanging health of transgender people for validation.