Taking a stand: I told my gynecologist to take "transgender" off of sex options

submitted by BEB from self.GenderCritical

I went to a new gynecologist last month because I'm in a different area than usual. I requested a female gynecologist and the receptionist then reassured me that all the practitioners at that office were women.

I told the receptionist about the US Equality Act and how, if it passed, the gynecological practice would have to consider male doctors as women doctors. She thought I was making it up.

When I got to the gynecologists' office I had to fill out a new patient form that asked for either sex or gender (can't remember). The options were male, female, transgender, and either non-binary or gender fluid. I crossed out "transgender" and the other and wrote "biological sex is dimorphic in humans."

Then, when I got to see the gynecologist, who was the best I've seen yet, I started my gender critical spiel.

I began with the new patient form I'd filled out, asking her whether she really considered biological sex changeable. She said the office had put the option of claiming transgender on the form to be considerate of transgenders. I attempted to explain why normalizing the idea that men could identify into womanhood was so dangerous for women.

Afterwards, I specifically talked about the dangers of girls being sucked into the transgender craze, thinking that she, as a gynecologist, has probably noticed.

She was obviously very intelligent, and listened for a bit, but the minute I mentioned that the Biden administration was behind the changes in law, she shut off, snapped that the office was "free of politics" and then continued with the examination as if I hadn't said anything at all.

I felt like, "WTF, lady?" I mean, I come across more of a hippy than a conservative, and gave her facts and figures, referencing science that she, as a doctor, was perfectly aware of, but because I mentioned Gender Joe Biden being behind a lot of this current shit she, obviously a liberal, shut me out.

I am so sick of the way the political system has devolved in the US to be like teams - if the Democrats do it, to some it's sacrosanct. If the GOP does it, same to others.

NO ONE BOTHERS TO ANALYZE THE FACTS AND COME TO THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS.

Not even a gynecologist, whose practice and patients are going to be terribly damaged by the passage of the Equality Act.

However, I do think I planted a seed, both in her mind and that of the receptionist, so ladies, please try to plant your own seeds wherever and whenever you can. Do it for the girls.

Edited to add: In response to my question of why the new patient form had the option to list transgender the gynecologist used some form of the word "inclusive," not "considerate" like I wrote above.

To me, "inclusive" is pretty much the most annoying word on Earth at this point because we women have every right not to include men when it comes to our rights, our bodies, our safety - our lives.

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[–]tu_jode_mucho 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

She can shut down the conversation all she wants, but she'll be on the front line having to deal with performing a pap on a male's surgical wound, among other things. Liberals don't want to hear that their blue donkey saviors do any wrong. I'm afro-latina and can only be critical of dems with some of my family and partner. My family is pro-gun and anti-trans laws like me, but also homophobic af and really conservative about gender roles and abortion (eye roll). My friends who are almost all american black will hear nothing criticizing dems, even if you bring up 3 strikes laws and racist roots of anti-gun laws. I hate politics. The divisiveness just allows more bullshit laws to be passed. I truly don't understand people's aversion to hearing things they don't agree with immediately. Glad you were brave enough to call it like is though.

[–]BEB[S] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Wow - that's interesting about your family and friends.

I can totally relate - It is so incredibly frustrating that even someone who is liberal on just about every issue, like me, has to bend over backwards trying to convince people who've known me for decades that my opposition to gender ideology is not based on some kind of anti-LGB old school conservatism, but rather that opposition to gender ideology is the newest wave of feminism.

I kept pushing with the gynecologist because I could see that she was processing what I was saying. I mentioned the puberty blocker (or rather, the CHEMICAL CASTRATION DRUG) Lupron and how it was being given to this huge % of kids being swept up in the transgender fad and I could see her connecting the dots.

Here's the thing: I asked the receptionist for a female gynecologist and she proudly responded that they only had female practitioners (so physicians assistants, LPNs, etc) in the office so I didn't need to worry.

If the Equality Act passes, and this office has to hire a male, the receptionist won't be allowed to tell a patient requesting a female practitioner that she's going to get a male doctor, because, by law, the man is a woman.

So a patient will be undressed and waiting for her exam when in walks the "woman" doctor she requested, who she's been assured by the receptionist she's going to get, and it's a man.

It just frustrates me so much that, all over the world, the gender lobby has managed, by using LGB as sword and shield, to get people of goodwill to not think things through (or to be completely unaware - IRL NO ONE I know has heard of the US Equality Act) as to what the actual cost will be if we let men self-identify as women.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Unfortunately this mess will only be curtailed once a good number of normies are affected. Once that receptionist can't proudly declare (honestly) that all practitioners are female and the gynos have to get educated about treating voluntary male surgical wounds, then we will finally see some real pushback. Sadly it may be a bit late in the game by then as far as reversing laws and such.

[–]BEB[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I swear that this gender ideology push is some kind of psy ops to turn the world even more chaotic than it is now.

Imagine in five years, when, as you said, the gynecologist is forced to give a pelvic exam to a faux-gina. And the receptionist has to repeatedly lie to elderly women that they are going to get a female doctor, but then said "woman" doctor has hands the size of basketballs and a beard.

Will the gynecologist think back on that strange, hippyish Karen (me) she had in her office warning her about gender ideology years before? Too late, lady. I was making sense - you should have listened.

[–]slushpilot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine in five years

There is some hope yet that eyes will open. Go read this: https://WeTheScreamers.com/

Read it, then absorb that it was written in January 1944, before there was even a word for the holocaust, when the common belief was that this was just hyperbolic propaganda—or a conspiracy theory, despite all the evidence. Our minds want to protect us from the truth, but we are sane to be screaming.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will the gynecologist think back on that strange, hippyish Karen (me) she had in her office warning her about gender ideology years before? Too late, lady. I was making sense - you should have listened.

The gynecologist might have listened and even feel crap about not having much power to try to go against the system because she's just a gynecologist (though if this is her own privately owned practice, then it's fair to assume she supports TRA policies), not a legislator. She might not even care and wants to get on with her job. The reality is that not enough people care or they're trying to make sure they have enough money to pay off some bills.

If you want to make greater impact, trying start a protest and spread information, print flyers with information and hand them out or put them on cars (similar to how vegans put stickers in places to protest against meat consumption), try to inspire people to be more open with their views and express them. Try building a physical community, and make them active, this is how past movements in democratic states made progress (its how women, vegans, TIs created an impact in society), it might be seen as gender disciminating to the law, but still see if you can try to gain movement like that. I would love to do something similar except making myself famous will bring some unwanted consequences which I can't mitigate.

[–]claimit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are not wrong. Just look up Foucault and queer theory.

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, there's a backlash against Critical Race Theory; I think that we need to tie the gender bullshit to Queer Theory, because while many Americans reject the gender nonsense, they have no idea that there's an actual Theory behind it oozing out of academic circles much like Critical Race Theory did.

And I say this as someone who believes that the US is very racist, but now it's every race against every other, which is just what the Powers That Be want to keep us from allying against them.

[–]recipe 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel your pain about lifelong liberal family members. I keep talking to my mom about the excesses, which I make sure to say excesses, of the trans rights movement. I can tell she's having thoughts that I may be falling into QAnon brainwash or some other internet cult. All because I don't want female humans to be any more at risk and disadvantaged in life than we already are and have always been.

It's such a lonely feeling. I'm desperately looking for someone to vent to about this. I haven't wavered on any other of my leftwing views, nor have I ever gone on rants about a political issue, and yet my family won't hear me out about any gender stuff.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would show your mom pictures, especially of some of the TiMs who are in women's jails, and tell her their crimes.

And since your mom is a mother, so I'm assuming at least in her late 30s, ask her if it's fair that a woman who's been raped should have to expose her body to ANY man that wanders into the women's locker room.

You could ask her how does she reckon that sex offenders will be kept out of women's spaces given that the US Equality Act allows ANY man to self-ID as a woman and access them?

You could also bring up that children are often in women's sex-segregated spaces too - does your mother feel that it's OK to expose children to a stranger's male genitalia?

What about groups of men entering women's locker rooms - ask your mother if she would feel comfortable with a group of naked men when she herself was naked, because, under the Equality Act, a group of men can come into a women's locker room?

Ask her what if a child or young girl was in the locker room alone - is she comfortable with that young person being exposed to the male genitalia of a group of men?

I think the way forward is to tell our fellow citizens, IN GORY DETAIL, what will happen if the Equality Act, and similar legislation on the state and local level, passes. Most people either have no idea these laws are being proposed, or haven't thought them through, so let's tell them.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Then, when I got to see the gynecologist, who was the best I've seen yet, I started my gender critical spiel.

I began with the new patient form I'd filled out, asking her whether she really considered biological sex changeable. She said the office had put the option of claiming transgender on the form to be considerate of transgenders. I attempted to explain why normalizing the idea that men could identify into womanhood was so dangerous for women.

Afterwards, I specifically talked about the dangers of girls being sucked into the transgender craze, thinking that she, as a gynecologist, has probably noticed.

She was obviously very intelligent, and listened for a bit, but the minute I mentioned that the Biden administration was behind the changes in law, she shut off, snapped that the office was "free of politics" and then continued with the examination as if I hadn't said anything at all.

I'm going to be honest with you, it's pretty reasonable for her to shut you down there. Her talking about politics can get her more in trouble as it's not related to medicine and it's purely political. She can explain why there're stupid changes to forms, and listen to you talk about the gender delusions, but the longer you talk, the more she has to listen and try to refrain from stating her opinion which can affect how she does her job (or if she can keep her job or not if it gets out that she has an unpopular opinion about any party). She may not even be in any position to afford a potential lost or attack by stating her opinion unlike other people (e.g. Toronto University's professor Jordan Peterson).

By the looks of your post, your conversation with her seems largely one-sided with you talking and her just listening. She probably tried to refrain from stating her thoughts as that could put her in a "bias" frame and can cause some issues with the job. This issue is not unique to the medical industry, when you're working in customer service, you can't openly state your political, religious thoughts lest you are fine with losing your job.

From what I understand medical pratcitioners and medical companies are trying to take the path of least resistance because they want to get their job done, they're after money. It doesn't really indicate if your gynecologist is a GenderCritical, a TRA or support Biden.

Although if it's their personal private practice that they own and not part of a larger company, then I would suspect they are TRA while trying to look politically neutral (though they could easily have GenderCritical views, but care more about money than trying to actively counter the TRA delusion). If they're part of a larger company and are simply employed there by someone else, then you don't really know. Go for a practice which is privately owned and run by a medical practitioner who doesn't have those stupid things on their forms if you can, less likely those that don't follow popular social trends are more likely to not care or support TRA stuff. You don't actually know their beliefs unless they state their beliefs to you outside of the professional environment.

[–]supersmokio6420 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There's also just that she's probably busy and has other patients to see. Bringing up another point after already talking for a bit about multiple topics, that sounds like its going to lead into a lengthy explanation...

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She was doing the exam the whole time, and I must say, was a fantastic doctor. Really, probably the best I've had of any doctor.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's that too. I'd rather keep religious, political discussions outside of work when I was in customer service. I would also be pissed off if a doctor appointment took extra longer because someone decided to go political and the doctor was unprofessional enough to discuss, regardless if they have similar poltical opinions (I'm unwell or have other things to do.

If she reached an important part of the session where errors are more likely made, she would really need to shut the OP down so she makes sure she does her job properly.

talking for a bit about multiple topics, that sounds like its going to lead into a lengthy explanation...

My doctor is often late to see me and I generally take the empathetic assumption the patient probably needs to see him for more stuff, I'd be pissed off if it's because the patient decided to go political regardless if I share a similar political opinions, sometimes I'm unwell and have to drag myself there for a doctor's certificate, sometimes I have some work I've fallen behind and need to complete after my appointment.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good points, thanks.

The office had WOKE signs (in the US, a good % of people in certain neighborhoods have signs like "Hate has no home here, " etc), so I think that there were at least some political discussions allowed.

She actually engaged with me often. For instance, when I mentioned "Lupron" she said, "Of course I know Lupron - what about it?"

She also remembered the original intent of Title IX, which had NOTHING to do with "gender identity," and also was shocked when I gave her some of the statistics as to how many kids were claiming to be transgender, and the makeup of those kids (mostly gay, but also autistic, ADHD, etc.)

I would say she was interested until I said the words, "Biden administration."

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The office had WOKE signs (in the US, a good % of people in certain neighborhoods have signs like "Hate has no home here, " etc), so I think that there were at least some political discussions allowed.

The doctor's office is not a place to discuss politics with the doctor. Just because the office had woke signs, it doesn't mean they are a place to discuss politics, or people even WANT to discuss politics. There's a difference between showing you're woke and being open for discussion on politics. A lot of places and people would rather avoid a political discussion and instead choose to look as accomodating as possible. The medical industry does rely on making people aside from saving lives to increase their profits.

She actually engaged with me often. For instance, when I mentioned "Lupron" she said, "Of course I know Lupron - what about it?"

Still political and ideological unrelated, it's one of the "safe" responses to make, what you say next and her next response (if she mindlessly replies with her thoughts) can put her at some risk.

She may react to what you are saying, maybe put in a bit of input, she would have done so in a way where the patient can't claim anything against her (e.g. avoid saying that "trans people are deluded). The entire thing seems like she was just trying to listen to you, react like a human being and drop the discussion on politicians or she may at risk say something she might regret.

Edit: Wording

[–]GConly 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do you think maybe you were talking at her rather than to her?

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She interacted. I got the sense that had we met in other circumstances, I could have Peak Transed her fairly easily, because she was thinking about each of my points and I could see her putting the pieces together.

I have noticed with other doctors I've been to that when I bring up the sudden rise of kids, particularly gay kids, claiming to be transgender, they've noticed too and are wondering where it all came from. Most doctors I've spoken to about this are actually really interested, maybe because they know the risks of giving a 12-year-old a chemical castration drug.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP: She interacted.

I'd interact regardless if someone was talking at me. No one knows here how OP interacted with her. OP may not actually beaware and we will never know what her talk with the doctor is really like, we just got to take her word for it.

If anyone came at me to have this type of discussion while I'm at work, I would try to politely move away from the discussion if I'm uninterested without looking like I'm shutting then down to not offend them or just plain listen to curb my boredom. I might even pretend to be interested just to see what they say and do (something I did before to get me through the shift and another time when I was talking to a stranger outside of work because I was bored and curious to see how good I was at pretending to feign interest).

[–]angelduster 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't know what I'd do if I went in for an exam, asked for a female doctor, and then saw someone who very clearly wasn't born female come into the room. I already have a bit of trauma involving older men, but for women who don't, I feel like they'd still react with confusion? But I would also still be thinking "ah yes, a female doctor, who was born male, socialized as male, and probably went through male puberty. Just like me."/s

I would hope that this is something that wouldn't happen very often, but that doesn't matter. The IDEA that it could happen is scary. I'm moderately left-leaning but my family members are more conservative and at the very least I'm able to talk with them about how ridiculous some of these "equality" laws are. Can't talk about this stuff with most of my friends though, they would be appalled if I had issues with seeing a doctor who identified as female but was born male.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they would be appalled if I had issues with seeing a doctor who identified as female but was born male.

They would be appalled if you did not consent to participate in male sexual fetish? This is how you have to lay it out for them. These men get off on violating women's privacy and robbing women of safe spaces.

They do not think you have the right to consent. Ask them why they are against women's rights?

Obviously they have zero understanding of human biology. This Trans Cult is insane.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's your body, just please keep that in mind, and it's your choice who touches it.

I read that the serial killer, Ted Bundy, said something along the lines of in his experience as a serial killer, women's politeness would be their downfall. As in, Bundy would pretend to be injured or need help in order to draw women into his traps, and women, trained to "be kind" from birth, would set aside their suspicions and do things they should have refused, like get into a strange man's car, and then he had them.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

because I mentioned Gender Joe Biden being behind a lot of this current shit she, obviously a liberal, shut me out.

That meme with the sweaty superhero deciding which button to push, is this version "stick with the human biology I learned in medical school" or "suck Joe Biden's dick" ? And she chose his dick! Ewwww.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, as I mentioned in another reply, there were WOKE signs in multiple parts of the office, so the gynecologist claiming that the office was apolitical was probably a crock of shit.

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

because I mentioned Gender Joe Biden

I believe it. I have relatives who signed me off as a conservative far-right Trump supporter the moment I started being critical of Biden about ANYTHING. Even after years of advocating for far-left hippy liberal borderline marxist positions. People in the US largely don't think about politics at all. There are two teams, and you're either on theirs, or you're the enemy.

[–]BEB[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's so frightening what has happened in the US. There is a visceral hate now between Democrats and Republicans. It scares me.

[–]lefterfield 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Same :( I like my coworkers, and talk to them occasionally about politics - the parts I agree with them about. But I don't know them that well, and I am genuinely afraid of saying that I hold X slightly right-of-center views(to say nothing of transgenderism). It's not just that I'd fear for my employment, I don't want to be hated by these people. Even though we mostly agree!

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Move to a Red state and you can let 'er rip ;-)

I travel back and forth between Red & Blue states and, while I'm mostly liberal, if not very liberal, I have to say that I truly enjoy being able to be loudly gender critical in Red states.

[–]lefterfield 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do live in red state... alas. But I can at least try to get involved in local politics.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I contacted conservative women's organizations in the Red state I spend a lot of time in about gender ideology and, when my life calms down, I'm going to see if I can work with them to fight gender ideology in the state legislature.

I treat people as people. IMO we are all flawed. I have done single issue political work with people with whom I disagree on other issues, and we've been successful. So I feel strongly that, if we feel comfortable, we should work with people across the political spectrum to shut down the gender lobby, because otherwise the world will be an incredibly dangerous place for women and children.

[–]claimit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Inclusive" is the new "equality". Back in the 90's "equality" was the buzzword and women's "equality" meant paying for half of everything (or more) when dating a man or being in a relationship, a call to end sex-based maternity leave, and a refusal to excuse female teen students from class when they suddenly needed to use the bathroom (you know why), because boys had to wait until the end of class too, and a push to normalize punching women in the face, or beating women up (because men get beat up all the time too, apparently?). Of course, I was in high school at the time so most of the things were stupid. But just think how teen boys are probably using "inclusive" to control teen girls now...