Both: What do you think about the transgender incident at the Wi Spa in Los Angeles?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So you’re just gonna ignore all of what I said to try to make this leap? Lmao

You’re not just a rape apologist you’re a desperate rape apologist who can’t debate lol

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sex is not the same as race. They are different. Surely you understand that.

Let’s not pretend that a racist who accidentally sleeps with a black woman wouldn’t be infinitely more upset if he slept with a black man pretending to be a woman.

But I’ll address your point more thoroughly:

Im not taking the side of any racists- I’m taking the side of consent.

if someone is concealing a fact about themselves that they know is likely a deal breaker in order to get laid, they are wrong.

It is common knowledge that most people are not open to sleeping with transwomen. Tras bitch about this all the time and we have polls and statistics to back this up. Because this is common knowledge, there’s not a TW in the world who isn’t aware that more likely than not, their being trans is going to be an issue when it comes to sex and dating. Possibly an issue someone is willing to overcome, but also very possibly not.

To rob someone of the ability to make the choice to sleep with a trans person is wrong. It is wrong because the trans person already knows how large the potential to violate someone’s sexual boundaries is.

White men have been fucking (and raping) black women since they found us. There’s not really any reason for black women to assume that a white man would not want to sleep with a black woman, in general. That’s not really a thing, the way that it is for TW. It’s just not. It’s not me saying it to debate- this is not a thing. So no, I don’t think white passing black women are under the same obligation as TW, because there’s no established societal consensus about this. Obviously, if the white man asked and she lied, she’d be wrong.

I get the point is that she shouldn’t have to preemptively inform him- the difference is that unless she knows he’s a racist ahead of time, there’s no reason for her to wonder if he’s open to sleeping with her. TW already know that them being trans is highly likely to be a deal breaker in general. If being a black woman was a general deal breaker then yeah, as racist as it would be, it would be shitty to not disclose BECAUSE NOBODY IS OWED SEX.

Why does someone being a racist piece of shit (or as you try to imply- a transphobe) mean that it’s okay to sexually violate them? I don’t think anyone should be sexually violated. I think everyone, good or bad person, bigot or not, deserves sexual autonomy and the right to offer full consent. It’s really odd to me that you don’t.

Also- neovaginas are not the same as vaginas. This is fact. It’s not okay to not let someone know that they will be interacting with a type of genitalia they aren’t expecting. I feel like that should be obvious.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

You just said there was no defense for white appearing black women sleeping with people whom they might suspect would’ve not slept with them if they knew about their racial experience. No leaping or desperation was required.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

An incredible leap is required if that’s all you took from my response. But as I said, why is it okay to deny anyone the right to consent?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

No one’s being denied anything. If they don’t want to sleep with a member of a certain demographic then its on them to bring it up.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lmao like I said- rape apologist.

Bye

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

I mean after hearing your thoughts on the situation of white passing black women your opinions in this area mean nothing to me.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again- can you explain why someone doesn’t deserve sexual autonomy/consent? Even a bad person?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Their consent isn’t being affected. If they have certain sexual preferences though the onus is on them to disclose. A racist white person does not get to accuse a white passing black woman of rape by deception for not disclosing her racial status.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I already addressed the race thing and why I actually think in that case he should be the one to ask so I don’t know why you act as if I didn’t.

We as a society are well aware that there is controversy around sleeping with trans people. We know there are overwhelmingly more people who are not open to doing this than that are- that is not the case for black women. TW are aware that they run a large risk of sexually violating someone. Black women have no reason to think that because it’s not a thing. The topic of consent and disclosure as it pertains to trans people is too widely known to pretend that TW don’t know they run the risk of violating someone’s boundaries. Yet the trans population is too small to reasonably expect everyone to go around asking if everyone they encounter that they may want to date is trans.

Also- black women wanting to stealth and sleep with racist white men is just not a thing that really happens so I don’t even know why the fuck You keep bringing it up. TW stealthing is actually a thing that occurs with consistency. This is just a bullshit argument because you have no real justification for your stance and you don’t want to admit to yourself that you support sexual assault.

I didn’t say he’d have a legal case lol, that doesn’t mean if he’d asked and she lied she’d not be wrong for lying, again-NOBODY IS OWED SEX.

You’ve ignored pretty much everything Im saying because you can’t argue around it. So I’m done. I’d rather focus on my new post, though I’m sure you’ll undoubtedly do the same thing there.