GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

The majority of male transsexuals are autogynaephiles (in the West).

Nope.

It's not just "Blanchardian", since the term can be found in the trans bible: the DSM-V. So there is a consensus on the typology.

The DSM-V is not a trans bible.

Homosexuals have a different name in every culture. You view them as women for some reason, which is more than merely insulting to both women & gay men, since any threat to their definitions threaten their rights. "Transsexual" is just the term that groups autogynaephiles & homosexuals with a feminine gender-role preference together.

A homosexual is someone who is attracted to the same gender. A transsexual, or transgender is someone who identifies with a gender that is different from the one they were assigned at birth. Those are different terms.

Those women just wanted the freedom to do the kinds of things men could. They are basically in disguise.

Trans men are not "women in disguise".

So first narcissist was a "transphobic slur", now it's just misused term. So they are using a term you don't find 100% accurate. And?

Most of the time it is inaccurate.

Transtrenderism is a trend within the demographic that has a weakness for such things: teen girls. This is a trend as it is limited to a particular time & place.

Here are a list trans people from the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Eleanor Rykener, Alan L. Hart, Lucy Hicks Anderson, Amelio Robles Ávila, Sir Lady Java, Willmer ‘Little Ax” Broadnax, Chevalier d’Eon, Harry Allen, Michael Dillon and Charley Parkhurst.

Even today, people continue to transition as adults. Elliot Page is in his 30s and recently came out. Buck Angel is in his 50s and still identifies as a man. Luke Anderson, the Big Brother winner was born in South Africa, is 40 and a trans man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transgender_people

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Nope

Yep: https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS%20Full%20Report%20-%20FINAL%201.6.17.pdf

The DSM-V is not a trans bible.

It's where your belief in gender dysphoria stems from.

A transsexual, or transgender is someone who identifies with a gender that is different from the one they were assigned at birth.

A homosexual is someone who is attracted to the same sex. So now it was their gender that was "assigned at birth", no longer their sex? Or are sex & gender the same thing now? "A transgender"? "Transgender" is an adjective. I've never seen such hypocritical pedantry.

Trans men are not "women in disguise".

Then we agree that they never used to exist until very recently.

Most of the time it is inaccurate.

Cry me a river.

Transing dead people is not the least bit convincing. It's called SELF-identification for a reason. You're breaking your own rules by making presumptions about them.

I know you're obsessed with erasing sexual orientation, but Elliot Page, Buck Angel & Luke Anderson are all homosexuals. How many times have I told you that the transtrenders are the het girl demographic? You know, the demographic covered by Lisa Littman's studies & Abigail Shrier's book. Why didn't you name Demi Lovato? Oh right, I was forgetting the gender police always ironically discriminate against non-binary people.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

Yep: https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS%20Full%20Report%20-%20FINAL%201.6.17.pdf

Your own link doesn't mention autogynephilia or autoandrophilia.

It's where your belief in gender dysphoria stems from.

I would believe in gender dysphoria even without the DSM.

A homosexual is someone who is attracted to the same sex. So now it was their gender that was "assigned at birth", no longer their sex? Or are sex & gender the same thing now? "A transgender"? "Transgender" is an adjective. I've never seen such hypocritical pedantry.

A homosexual is soneone who is attracted to people of mainly the same sex characteristics as their own.

Then we agree that they never used to exist until very recently.

I keep pointing out trans men in history yet you still claim trans men only existed recently.

Transing dead people is not the least bit convincing. It's called SELF-identification for a reason. You're breaking your own rules by making presumptions about them.

All the trans people I listed self-identified as trans.

I know you're obsessed with erasing sexual orientation, but Elliot Page, Buck Angel & Luke Anderson are all homosexuals.

Nope. They're straight.

How many times have I told you that the transtrenders are the het girl demographic? You know, the demographic covered by Lisa Littman's studies & Abigail Shrier's book. Why didn't you name Demi Lovato? Oh right, I was forgetting the gender police always ironically discriminate against non-binary people.

When you keep being presented with proof to the contrary, you still claim transgenders are mostly the het teenage girl demographic of the 21st century. Yes, Demi Lovato also identifies as non-binary and she's 28.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

An autogynaephile is a non-homosexual transsexual. The link has a section on sexual orientation distribution. The homosexual ones are in the minority, thereby proving that the majority are autogynaephiles. I should have realised you'd need that explained to you. You probably haven't got a clue about the typology.

I would believe in gender dysphoria even without the DSM.

Without the DSM the term & concept of "gender dysphoria" wouldn't exist. Are you saying you would have invented it?

A homosexual is soneone who is attracted to people of mainly the same sex characteristics as their own.

You literally just made that up. You have unresolved issues regarding homosexuality. You need to look into that.

All the trans people I listed self-identified as trans.

Really? When? I didn't see any evidence of that. How do you know they weren't stealth homosexuals? It's not far-fetched seeing as homosexuality was illegal at that time.

Nope. They're straight.

Nope. They're lesbians, homophobe.

Transtrenders are specifically the het girls. Homosexuals who go through conversion therapy via transition aren't "proof to the contrary".

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

An autogynaephile is a non-homosexual transsexual. The link has a section on sexual orientation distribution. The homosexual ones are in the minority, thereby proving that the majority are autogynaephiles. I should have realised you'd need that explained to you. You probably haven't got a clue about the typology.

An autogynephile is a man who sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. The majority of trans women, even trans lesbians, are not autogynephiles.

Without the DSM the term & concept of "gender dysphoria" wouldn't exist. Are you saying you would have invented it?

You clearly don't believe in gender dysphoria, so.

You literally just made that up. You have unresolved issues regarding homosexuality. You need to look into that.

I think you do. I have friends and acquaintances who are homosexual and bisexual. All of them support the trans community. One girl I went to high school with is a lesbian, and she wrote on FB she won't vote for Trump because he's a racist, homophobe and transphobe and said "transgenders can’t be in a lot of fucking places" which was part of the comment. I think you're the one that has issues regarding homosexuality, because the homosexual people I know are supportive of trans people.

Really? When? I didn't see any evidence of that. How do you know they weren't stealth homosexuals? It's not far-fetched seeing as homosexuality was illegal at that time.

Yes, homosexuality was illegal at the time, but 1. That does not mean transgender people did not exist 2. Many gays and lesbians did not transition at the time. In a retirement home in Brooklyn, there was an inaugural exhibition featuring 12 LGBT seniors, where they described what's it like living in a time when being themselves were illegal. None of them are trans.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/08/tallying-the-lost-years-for-lgbt-seniors

Nope. They're lesbians, homophobe.

Transtrenders are specifically the het girls. Homosexuals who go through conversion therapy via transition aren't "proof to the contrary".

Cis lesbians don't change their names to male ones, take T to appear male, request people use he/him pronouns for them or pursue sex reassignment surgery. Only trans people do those things.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

An autogynephile is a man who sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. The majority of trans women, even trans lesbians, are not autogynephiles.

Ignorance. The word for a non-homosexual transsexual male is autogynaephile. You don't get to decide how the typology works. Transbians are, by virtue of being transbians, autogynaephiles. Clear?

You clearly don't believe in gender dysphoria, so.

Belief has nothing to do with it. The body that created GD no longer "believes in it", so why should anyone else?

I think you're the one that has issues regarding homosexuality, because the homosexual people I know are supportive of trans people

So I have "an issue with homosexuality" because I disagree with gay women who are both pro conversion therapy (i.e. transitioning of gay kids) & pro-autogynaephiles being legally recognised as adult human females? That's just identity politics: the "correct" identity has the "correct" opinion. A flawed take. Fox News always hires black people to repeat racist rhetoric for people like you, I suppose. What are the gay & female versions of an Uncle Tom?

We'll never know if they were stealth homosexuals or not. Please quit posting these American mainstream news outlets. Wikipedia is the lowest I'm willing to go regarding secondary sources.

lesbians don't change...

The ones that are converted via transition do. There are 3 "trans" groups, generally: the homosexuals, the autogynaephiles & the trenders (a form of conversion therapy, a paraphilia & a teen sub-culture, respectively). One group's existence does not undermine another's, comprendé?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

Ignorance. The word for a non-homosexual transsexual male is autogynaephile. You don't get to decide how the typology works. Transbians are, by virtue of being transbians, autogynaephiles. Clear?

That's not what the DSM-V says, and you preach the DSM-V. You alone don't get to decide how typology works either, the majority of society does. Most of us agreed trans women are women. We have laws protecting trans people, like the right to use restrooms that match your gender identity. This wouldn't be possible without majority agreement.

Belief has nothing to do with it. The body that created GD no longer "believes in it", so why should anyone else?

We believe in gender dysphoria 100%. It's you that doesn't.

So I have "an issue with homosexuality" because I disagree with gay women who are both pro conversion therapy (i.e. transitioning of gay kids) & pro-autogynaephiles being legally recognised as adult human females?

Conversion therapy is literally using aversive conditioning techniques to change someone's sexual orientation. Conversion therapy is not someone voluntarily choosing to transition. What you just said is offensive to actual victims of conversion therapy, who had to endure years and years of trauma and PTSD.

A flawed take. Fox News always hires black people to repeat racist rhetoric for people like you, I suppose. What are the gay & female versions of an Uncle Tom?

The people I mentioned were not paid for their pro-trans speeches. Granted, saying anti-trans speech will get you ostracized, but in that case they had the option not to say anything at all. But all of the LGB people I know spoke in support of trans people. Calling someone an Uncle Tom, handmaiden or a traitor is gross and will earn you less respect than you already have.

We'll never know if they were stealth homosexuals or not. Please quit posting these American mainstream news outlets. Wikipedia is the lowest I'm willing to go regarding secondary sources.

You just don't want to hear the truth.

The ones that are converted via transition do. There are 3 "trans" groups, generally: the homosexuals, the autogynaephiles & the trenders (a form of conversion therapy, a paraphilia & a teen sub-culture, respectively). One group's existence does not undermine another's, comprendé?

You just made this up.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

lol are you malfunctioning or something? You're making even less sense than usual. The DSM-V reflects a medical consensus. It references autogynaephilia, which it defines as a paraphilia. You, independently, decided that transbians aren't autogynaephiles. The guy who coined the term created the definition in order to define transbians:

"non-homosexual transsexual women (as well as all other non-homosexual male gender dysphorics) have a condition called autogynephilia and are aroused by the idea or image of themselves as women" – Blanchard R, Clemmensen LH, Steiner BW (1987). Heterosexual and homosexual gender dysphoria

"Yeah, but mob rule" doesn't impress me. You don't even know what gender identity is. Gender identity is determined by socialisation. Trans people were socialised according to the norms of their sex, not their preferred sex. You're using "gender identity" to refer to their cross-gender self-identification. Why are you such a noob?

We believe in gender dysphoria 100%. It's you that doesn't.

"We"? Have you changed your preferred pronouns, or something? Belief again? I reject anything that is faith-based. If actual medical bodies decided to recognise transgenderism as a mental disorder called "gender dysphoria" again, then I'd give it a read, but until that unlikely time I'm not going to start "believing in it" for no reason.

Conversion therapy is not someone voluntarily choosing to transition

There are homosexuals who voluntarily go through conversion therapy. The introduction of gender dysphoria into the DSM on the heels of homosexuality being taken out was viewed by some within the medical sphere as a possible "backdoor manoeuvre" of re-pathologising homosexuality. Does the massive overrepresentation of homosexuals within the trans population not strike you as odd/worthy of note?

Calling someone an Uncle Tom, handmaiden or a traitor is gross and will earn you less respect than you already have.

Didn't you hypocrites react that way to Jenner when he said he didn't support women's sports becoming unisex in order to affirm self-identification?

You just don't want to hear the truth.

On the contrary, which is why I avoid disreputable news outlets.

You just made this up.

In order for that to be true I'd have to be over 100 years old & stolen the identities of the following people: Lisa Littman, Ray Blanchard, Kurt Freund & Magnus Hirschfeld.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stick to discussing other people's arguments and avoid personal attacks.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Who is this most of us you constantly refer to? All women? Can you share the methods used to gather that data and the results please?

Do you say most women when you’re really referring to the women who post on liberal “feminist” rags and qt subreddits? I think this is the case.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

"Most of us" is most Americans and Canadians.

Why is “feminist” in quotes?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because I don’t consider liberal “feminism” even slightly feminist. As a movement it panders to men and porn while doing nothing to advance or protect the rights of women.

Can we see how you asked every American and Canadian what they think, how you know they were honest, and the exact figures you got from this questioning?