GC & QT: What are your views?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

We aren’t killing people. This accusation needs to stop being bandied about as if we’re holding guns to people’s heads or actively encouraging people to kill themselves.

Do you not see how bizarre it is to blame someone who cannot even vote on the laws you’re upset about? We don’t make things happen via thoughts. Our ideas do not kill people.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

Ideas and the hostile environments created by those ideas can definitely kill people.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Lmao that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Ideas do not do anything let alone kill. I beg you to get a clue.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

More ableism. Also yes they do, see religion.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't start reporting everything again...

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

It was clearly ableism. Is that not against the rules?

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Saying an idea (not people) is dumb is not being ableist...

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

You don’t think that “dumb” is an ableist slur and that to use it in a negative manner increases the stigma felt by differently people when its used against them?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It’s not ableism. You’re the one jumping to assume any word that indicates a lack of intelligence or logic is an attack on anyone with a disability.

Also, continually telling autistic people what they can and cannot say can be considered ableism.

On topic, people acting on ideas is something else. When you pretend there’s no difference between actions, words, ideas, or anything because some 14th century dickhead said so, the differences don’t actually go away.

An idea is not an action. An idea has no physical form and cannot cause death. There is no such thing as being murdered by a thought.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (6 children)

You cannot use an ableist slur like “dumb” or “stupid” without contributing to ableism

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Have, had, and will continue to do so.

Dumb has nothing to do with disabilities. Stop telling a disabled woman how to speak about having a disability, and what is and isn’t a slur to people like myself. :)

Btw the diversion is weak. How does an idea kill someone?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Disabled people can still be ableist.

An example has already been given for how ideas can hurt people.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Your example does not work in the slightest, since it’s actually people acting on ideas, and not ideas that are harmful.

You’re being ableist telling me how I can and can’t speak about terms used to describe my own disability. Maybe you could take a second off of being a self appointed champion that none of us want and listen when disabled people tell you things.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

You do not speak for all disabled people, and I personally find them offensive so don’t apply them to me or my thoughts, thank you.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those are not ableist slurs, because even genius can be dumb or stupid. With very big stretch you can say that "idiot" or "moron" can be slurs - because those are names of conditions, but those words have different meaning, not just names of conditions, so it will be still a stretch.