Both: What do you think of the new Super Straight movement?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (20 children)

They are literally saying that being inclusive of trans people makes someone less straight. They put themselves as “super” and therefore above the people who are inclusive of trans people. It’s not wrong to not be attracted to trans people but it is wrong and extremely transphobic to say that you are above people who are.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Super meaning very, not better than.

adverb. INFORMAL especially; particularly. "he's been super understanding"

It’s not disgusting to be bi or homosexual so how is it an insult to say someone is less straight than someone who is exclusively heterosexual?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

Super is hierarchical necessarily and they are attempting to control other peoples sexualities by saying that straight people aren’t really straight because they include trans people. Of course not to mention the implication that follows that trans women aren’t women and trans men aren’t men which is literally the root belief of all transphobia.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Lol no. Asking for our own sexualities to be respected has nothing to do with anyone else’s. It never said people weren’t straight, they just weren’t super straight. Otherwise there’s have been a lot of informing people that an interest in say, transwomen and women means they are bisexual.

Of course it doesn’t believe TWAW/TMAM..it’s a recognition of SEXual orientation and the SEX of the individual. Genderism doesn’t come into sexuality. The entire point was the need for transgender people to stop ignoring the existence of their sex and the fact that sexuality, homosexuality in particular, is not a preference or choice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

You are actively arguing for other people’s sexualities not to be respected. It could have been cis sexual or orthodox sexual or a million other things that didn’t imply a hierarchy, but instead you create a hierarchy and use it to denigrate trans people and those who aren’t as anti trans as you. It’s just another way to be shitty to trans people.

You don’t have to be attracted to trans people but you also don’t need to insult us and those who actually respect us.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The heirarchy is only in your mind. Cis would validate genderism so it couldn’t be used. Orthodox sexual insinuates there is something unorthodox about homosexuality or bisexuality. There is no denigration in our wording but plenty in yours.

How is there any insult in people saying they have a sexuality that excludes some people? Like quote me all this hatred and vitriol or stop claiming it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

For I believe the fourth time there’s nothing wrong with not dating trans people, but a marketing campaign about how trans people are so gross that being attracted to them makes someone less straight and how the people who don’t like us are SUPERior is pretty obviously transphobic.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

And for the fourth time to you, it’s not a marketing campaign to say transgender people are gross. Clearly you cannot back up this statement you keep making.

Super has already been defined for you as meaning particularly or especially. You are the one who keeps saying that not being extremely straight is somehow gross or inferior. You are the one choosing to interpret super as meaning superior and not the definition provided for you.
Not surprising given the absolute insistence of you and other TRA to ignore the existence of sex and other people’s sexual orientations.

You are inventing problems over a meme you choose to misinterpret in order to frame yourself as the victim of hate, when all that happened was a bunch of people got tired of being called bigoted for having a sexuality that does not include everyone.

Nobody has said that being less straight or more homosexual/bisexual is disgusting or inferior except you. Confront your own homophobic ideas before putting words in the mouths of others.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Super has already been defined for you as meaning particularly or especially.

That’s not the full definition but even using your limited definition that still says you are more straight than straight people who are trans inclusive. That’s still a hierarchy implying they are lesser or not entitled to their own sexuality.

The entire concept says that straight is inferior to “super straight” which can only come by virtue of negative value associated with being open to dating trans people.

The hypocrisy of telling other people they aren’t entitled to their own sexuality while claiming that is what is happening to you is just painful.

Not to mention the fact that by your definition I would probably be a gay man while you are extra straight, but still call me homophobic.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And again you equate more straight with being superior, not with being exclusively heterosexual. Weird how you ignore that there are homosexual men and women who also describe themselves as super gay or super lesbian. Your issue is only with straightness and perceiving it as ranking above homosexuality or bisexuality. Seriously, you should address your issues with that. It’s an extremely homophobic stance to take. You are the only person I’ve seen choose to interpret being less straight than super straight as inherently negative or insulting.

Yes, I identify you as a homosexual male. That doesn’t mean your statements can’t be homophobic. That’s just silliness.

Rather than repeat those facts to your face which you consider basically a hatecrime, some people decided to simply qualify that their straightness is not flexible by making a subsection for themselves. It didn’t take straight away from anyone, didn’t correct falsehoods like ‘straight people are sexually attracted to both sexes’. They literally othered themselves from qt-thinking circles. How the fuck is that dictating anyone else’s sexuality? Like, without your deliberate misinterpretations and reaching there isn’t a thing to be crying about.

You could just..choose to not interpret things as victimising you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are actively arguing for other people’s sexualities not to be respected.

I mean, so are you. Heterosexual people are not attracted to the same sex, homosexuals are not attracted to the opposite sex. Insisting that their sexuality should now include the sex that the whole term exists to exclude (and moreover, a term that also has a history of violence aimed against the people identifying with it) is invalidating. The only sexuality and gender that are to be respected are the ones that literally don't mean anything and can include whatever anyone wants. I don't think it's respectful in the least to take words used to define certain people targeted by violence and discrimination for being a certain way, and proclaim these words invalid and in fact, tools of violence by virtue of not including everyone and everything else under the sun. Actually, I'd call that the opposite of respectful.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're taking the super straight label to seriously. Moreover, you're ignoring the only reason super straight become a thing in the first place is because transactivists insist in changing the meaning of words and replacing sex with gender identity. Transactivists are the ones who are trying to make impossible to talk about attraction based in SEX rather than gender identity. Trans people are often the ones who are making their dating lifes harder by going after people with incompatible SEXual orientations.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, being lesbian or febfem is not transphobic. While transgender movement are calling lesbians transphobic for being homosexual and for something homosexual people can't control. And then they came for heterosexual people too.

That is why this "super" movement appeared in the first place.

And fact that gender movement is so outrageous about supersexualities - just shows all the hypocrisy. Gender movement is creating new sexualities every week, and saying all of them are valid, and appropriating old sexualities to change the meaning of the word - so it is very hard to find partner you want, if now anyone can be any sexuality as it is just "identity and choice" and not something innate like how it was before.