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[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

We're are talking about fiction, so the sex (or any other characteristic) of a character is whatever the story says it is regardless of who is playing it. In some cases, the suspension of disbelief may be impaired because of the mismatch between the sex of the character and the perfomer, that's all.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

But then it's the same TQ belief, a man says he is a woman because he says he is, or a woman says she is a man because she says she is, and in the acting as a fictional character whose sex doesn't match the sex of the one who acts as it, a man says he is acting as a woman and therefore is a woman for the time being, and a woman says she is acting as a man and therefore is a man for the time being until the acting is over. There is no difference. "Trans men" and "trans women" are just playing as fictional characters, for years instead of a few minutes or hours. The fictional characters are just a version of them whose sex they think does not match their own sex. They create a fictional version of themselves who they think is the opposite sex, and act as it, and believe they are that for years. They act as that fictional version of themselves whose sex they think doesn't match their own. No difference.

That's why: If I see a male acting as a "female" character, I'll say that character is a male in that story because a male is acting as it, it is not a "female". But a male version of that "female" character people imagined because a male is acting as it.

And if a female acts as a "male" character, then I'll say the character is not male anymore. It is a female version of the "male" character the authors and producers imagined before, but because a female is acting as it, the character is also female.

It just makes no sense for a male to act as a "female" character, or for a female to act as a "male" character. There's just no way I can accept someone with a vagina is a "male" or someone with a penis is a "female" in any setting. Just like I can't accept someone white acting as a "black" character, they are white, and in that "setting" the character is also the white version of the black character that was first imagined, because a white individual is acting as it.

I'm .. so frustrated, wow. :((

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When Daniel Radcliffe dressed as Harry Potter, was he a real wizard? Do you think Lucy lawless is actually Xena?

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not the same at all. It's all fiction and most people understand that this is not real. And the whole point of acting is to pretend you're someone different from yourself (sometimes, completely different). To keep with Houseplant's example, just like Daniel Radcliffe is not actually a wizard, he won't became a woman if for some weird reason he plays a female character in his next movie. Also, Daniel's character would be female, just problably not a convincing one.

On the other hand, people who identify as trans claim to be something they are not and expect us to go along with it as this were the truth and not make belief.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

people who identify as trans claim to be something they are not

Which is what actors and actresses do. They claim or pretend to be something they are not. The only "difference" between acting and the TQ belief is for acting, people understand that's not real while for TQs they think what they pretend to be is real. Damn, this makes me hate acting even more.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What...?

Ok, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt untill now, but I can't help but think you may not be arguing in good faith. Honestly, I don't think you are even QT as I doubt they would refer to trans identities as acting. So, what do you even believe in? If you don't believe in transgenderism/transsexualism why are you not debating them insteas of us? If you're in the fence, why are you not questioning them alongside us?

[–]comradeconradical 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This poster never engages with their actual views, only absurd hypotheticals. Honestly surprised they are allowed to continue to waste time with bullshit like this.

[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"Trans men" and "trans women" are just playing as fictional characters, for years instead of a few minutes or hours.

Do they know this? Have you checked your theory with pro trans rights people, that they are just "acting" as the opposite sex, because I have to think some of them would be offended at the claim...

Do you understand what lying is? Can you decide to just "act" as if you are a different age, have a degree, are drunk, were born in Russia, can play piano, have cancer, are a senator, and so on, or do these things have to be verifiably true? An actor can play a role but those things don't just become facts. They are playing pretend, and we understand that.

That is what "drag" was supposed to be - men dressing up as women (or vice versa) for fun. Some people have problems with that, but the idea, that it is for performance, is like acting. But doing that in your real life is lying. You can "act" a little bit, in that you can change your personality from how you think it normally is, but you cannot misrepresent the facts of your life the way you can in a movie. If you change the facts of your life, that is lying.

[–]Not_a_celebrity[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Acting is lying

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s performing a role in a work of fiction. Lying would be Daniel Radcliffe saying he really is a wizard and the Harry Potter movies didnt cgi his spells.

Acting is understood by the average person to be portraying fiction, and not trying to convince people they really truly are the character.

How are you not seeing that? What’s got you convinced actors are liars?

[–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Acting is lying

So if acting is lying, and trans people are just acting, then trans people are lying?