LGB refutation of TQ+, Part 2: Going on the Offense

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T22:01:54+00:00

pretty much no one consideras "transracial" to be a real thing, so argueing this is moot.

It's hypocritical to consider "transgender" to be a "real" thing but not "transracial". TQs say a man "identifying" as a woman is a woman because he "identifies" as such. Either "identifying" as something makes you that thing, or it doesn't. If it does, "transracial" should be considered a thing. Someone white "identifying" as black would have to be legally seen as black, but the reason they aren't is because trans right activists and TQs are hypocrites. They understand "identifying" as another race doesn't make you that race even if you try hard to medically or surgically change skin color. They should understand no matter how many times someone has surgery or takes hormones, they can not say they are another sex either. Either "transracial" and "transgender" are real things, or "transgender" and "transracial" are not real things

It's also not "birth sex". It's sex. 🙃

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T21:29:52+00:00

I think if "sexual attraction" or "sexual orientation" is attraction to "perceived gender", then there's no such a thing as "sexual orientation" or "sexual attraction", no such thing as gay, bi, straight, because people aren't "attracted" to sex, but some "gender" they perceive. "Genderal attraction" would be closer to what you mean ...

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T21:22:42+00:00

Can you make a post on this whole thing? More GCs are going to give you answers that way. I'm confused by your comments and don't know what's going on 🙃

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T18:04:40+00:00

What do you think of this comment that says sexual attraction is based on perceived sex or sex characteristics, rather than sex itself, which I'm guessing means sexual attraction is based on perception, and not the reality of biological sex, or sexual characteristics?: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/7do7/gc_is_sexual_attraction_only_based_on_genitals_or/ru64

Screenshot for if it gets deleted: https://imgur.com/CUqlcaN

The movie the matrix pretty much shows that what people are experiencing is more important than the actual underlying reality. Thus I would say that people are attracted to perceived sex characteristics rather than any biological or even non-biological reality that underlies those perceived traits.

There's another comment with a similar sentiment: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/7do7/gc_is_sexual_attraction_only_based_on_genitals_or/rtr2

Screenshot for if it gets deleted: https://imgur.com/uFWmBrw

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T17:28:29+00:00

Is it okay to say I like you and admire the time you put on explaining yourself? 🥺

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T06:53:53+00:00

Oh, no, sorry for the misunderstanding :))

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T06:32:50+00:00

Because he would do things with both sexes, and bisexuals do things with both sexes too? What else would he be besides bisexual?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T06:22:25+00:00

I'm not on the TQ side. When I posted here multiple times the few days ago, which I know you remember, I was neutral and questioning. My questions were similar to what TQs asked because I took a neutral stance and wanted to ask whatever was on my mind. Whatever I didn't understand. I still have episodes where I don't understand something, but it's not as bad as before.

And yeah. People's priorities are different. For me, pronouns are on top of my priority, because getting the TQ to come back to reality right when they feel like they are the opposite sex is more effective than agreeing with them they are the opposite sex and even going with their preferred pronouns.

But your priorities are difference, that's fine.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T05:59:47+00:00

If he's aware of your situation, it makes no sense for him to think of you as a woman, or not think of you as a man. But you said you don't want him or others to think of you as the man you are, which means you are supporting a lie: https://imgur.com/YDd1Hah

I wouldn't want him to see me as a man, and it's not how I usually think of myself or how people see me in the world

You not only don't want your husband to realize you are a man, but also made other people think you're a woman. You want people to either believe a lie or lie to you even if they know the truth.

You both are homophobic, not in a "gay is eww" way conservatives directly tell us. In a TQ way of "I don't want to be seen as a man" which means you want to erase yourself and your identity as a man in a gay relationship and want to be seen as a "woman in a straight relationship". Your husband also tries to lie to himself that he's not with a man, but a woman, and supposedly is in a "straight relationship". This is homophobic.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T05:25:38+00:00

Up to you. I can't provide him that polite courtesy myself, just as I can't be polite when it comes to other "trans" people because I'm frankly disgusted by their ideology. I can't even bring myself to use an incorrect pronoun because it will make me as guilty as them in enforcing the ideology I disagree with. But if you want to then so be it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T04:16:24+00:00

"She" refers to someone that is biologically female. It is contradictory to call a biological male "she" just because he feels like a woman. And he's not "living in good faith". He's a homophobe. He's anti-feminist. And he is a trans-medicalist, and trans-medicalists are worse than the ordinary "trans", because these are the ones believing that there is a "female" or "male" brain, that "gender is not a social construct", and that a "trans man" is a "male brain in a female body" or a "trans woman" is a "female brain in a male body" who should get hormones and surgery for their body to match their brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9WqfBDjRF8&t=191s

Many GCs worship Blaire. While he accepts he's biologically male, he doesn't spend his day do day reminding himself of that, he thinks he's a "woman in a straight relationship", worse, a man with a "female brain". Why let a homophobe get what he wants?

I don't think using anyone's preferred pronouns is a good idea. If Blaire understands he's biologically male, he should understand he shall be treated as a biological male, not a woman just because he got surgeries and hormones to look like the most stereotypical form people think a "woman" looks like. A woman is not big boobs, make up, and dresses. And calling Blaire "she" will enforce misogyny.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T02:46:30+00:00

Can you tell me what you think of this comment?: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/7do7/gc_is_sexual_attraction_only_based_on_genitals_or/rtr2

Screenshot for if it gets deleted: https://imgur.com/uFWmBrw

It says that sexual attraction can't be purely based on "birth sex" (perhaps they mean "sex assigned at birth") as it would be reductive, and that it should also be based on "apparent gender" (which I think they mean what someone "passes as"). They give an example of a homophobic family. If a girl introduces her "bf", a "trans woman" who "passes as" a woman, to the family without mentioning "bf", and "trans woman", the family would become hostile, as they'd think she's with a woman.

If a gay man meets a "trans man" that "passes as" a man, and becomes attracted to him, without the "trans man" telling him she's a woman and not a man, he'd think he's attracted to a man. Would this mean sexual attraction is more than sex, or genitals, and has to do with secondary sexual characteristics and what sex someone "passes as" on the outside even if they are not that sex?

There is more to the comment than what I summarized, so please tell me what you think of those parts as well.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T02:31:08+00:00

It just doesn't make sense to call a man that has been with men and women anything but gay or bisexual. Bisexual doesn't mean 50/50 attraction, that's a mistake people make. When someone says they are more attracted to one sex than another people think they shouldn't be put in a box, or that labels are useless. There are varying levels of bisexuality though, and Blaire's spouse would be on one of those levels. Either that, or he's gay, and his previously dating women does not count. Blaire himself is a gay man. He has internalized homophobia, and hates being gay, that's the whole reason he thinks he's a "woman in a straight relationship".

and Blaire is who she is

He*

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-14T00:03:35+00:00

No

Why?

There's some other men, who have a particular kink for BDSM scenarios, or being dominated, no matter who is doing it to them. In a way, I don't think they can always neatly be categorized as hetero/homo/bi.

If a man wants to be dominated by anyone, be it a man or a woman, doesn't it mean he's bisexual? Or if he wants to be dominated by one sex more than the other, but still wants to be dominated by both, wouldn't he still count as bisexual? If he's not gay, or bi, what is he? 🤔

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T23:52:49+00:00

Thanks for the link. I watched that video and it bothers me that he keeps calling that "trans woman" he walked on the beach with "she", even after knowing that's a "trans woman". They seem to joke about the fiance being gay, but I don't know if he himself understands he's not "straight" outside of him joking with Blaire. He seems to be like "I dated girls before, and then trans women, it's hard to put my sexuality in a box" type? He doesn't seem to want to say he's bi or gay.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T23:43:38+00:00

Why are you here when you believe in the "gender identity" ideology? You think you're a woman, but then you know you're a man, but then you don't want people to think of you as the man you are, so you don't say anything to your husband about you being a man, and you let people assume you are a woman eventhough you are not. That is dishonest, it is deception. If I met you, couldn't tell you're a man, used "she", and you didn't correct me that you're a man, I'd feel deceived. But whatever. I don't think labels are confusing. You TQs always make them seem confusing. A man is in a relationship with a man? He's either gay or bi, doesn't matter if the guy has a penis or not, or thinks he's a woman. It's really simple.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T23:00:33+00:00

So you're helping deceiving him that he's with a woman? I think he's homophobic. It's like Blaire White's husband. He thinks he's with a "woman", but he's with a man. He just doesn't want to accept he's not "straight". Blaire White doesn't remind him he's in a gay relationship either, he thinks he's a "woman" in a "straight relationships". Your husband too doesn't think of you that way, which means he's deceiving himself. He doesn't want to accept he's with a man. A man that has no penis. A man without a penis is still a man. And a man that is in a relationship with a man without a penis isn't more "straight" or less "gay" just because his partner doesn't have a penis 🤔

I think it's best to remind him, and burst that bubble. It's worse to help lie to him and make him go to that grave all the while thinking he's "straight" just because his male partner removed his penis, wears dresses, etc.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T22:48:46+00:00

But if he was always with females, and is now with a male, isn't he a bisexual that doesn't want to accept he's not "straight"? Is a man that is with a "trans woman" really "straight"? Would it even make sense for a man that was always with females to get into a gay relationship and say he's still "straight"? 🙃 If not bi, then should we call him a fetishist?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T21:47:54+00:00

Thanks for the link! It's my first time listening to the beatles. Why did it make you think of that song? Is there a reason? Is it because of the part that says "I need a fix 'cause I'm going down. Down to the pits that I left uptown" and the user comparing penises to bayonets is also going down to the pits?

TQ is abbreviation for "trans and queer". The two letters they added to LGB, and made up "LGBTQ+". Those first few arguments are made by a "trans man", the second few by someone that believes in "gender identity", so I wrote TQ (Q are queers, they believe in 'gender identity' and are where 'queer theory' came from, etc)

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T21:33:55+00:00

but do you understand where I'm coming from? The questions you are asking are important ones, but they also have a lot of weight behind them-- weight that's been used to silence, threaten and intimidate same-sex-attracted people. It is completely reasonable for the people you're asking to be a little suspicious.

Yes I get where you come from, why you would be suspicious because the people that silenced you on different platforms asked similar questions. It's just multiple people were calling me a troll and accusing me instead of answering my questions without pointing fingers, and I already deal with issues, like I start shaking when people yell at me, or things like that. So that was too much for me. Hopefully, there will be a asklgbtdropthet sub for me to ask questions. Until then if I ever get tired of waiting for hours in a gcdebatesqt for someone to answer my questions, and come here instead to ask questions, please please don't unite to attack me. Thanks. And have a nice day

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:45:50+00:00

Thanks 😊

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:39:36+00:00

Oh I didn't even notice I wrote TQ instead of just T though. I know not all 'queer' people are 'trans'. Sorry for the typo and the misunderstanding.

Also I removed the post after being called 'troll' too many times. I don't want to sleep and wake up to multiple other comments with the same accusations so I moved it to GCdebatesQT. And because that sub is empty af I'll have to wait for hours for people to bother answering me

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:31:05+00:00

What about homosexual attraction? Is genitalia a necessary component there or is it different?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:24:39+00:00

Posted this on gcdebatesqt, now leave me the f alone, thanks 🖕

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:05:44+00:00

Queer people believe in 'gender identity', that's why you should be against the Q too. Q is where 'queer theory' comes from, which is what the T agrees with. Have you really not thought why they added a Q after LGB? Ffs you know what, think I'm a troll. Idgaf what you think.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T20:00:21+00:00

I have no issue with your (scientific) definition of what a male or female is. If I did, I would respond to you.

Also, GC is different from LGB. Most GCs are radical feminists. Don't see much of a difference between 'gender critical' and 'radical feminist' anymore, because every GC here and on ovarit was also a rad fem.

LGBs are not necessarily radical feminists. Most aren't actually. Do you really not see a distinction? And you understand everytime I post on GCdebatesQT very few people bother going there? Out of 316 users, only 5 bother showing up. Where did you get 'a ton of LGBs are there' from?

I know lgbdropthet was removed from reddit, that's not exactly news. But it's been a whole year. There should have been a asklgbdropthet or something by now

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T19:52:26+00:00

I agree with the second part. That's why, if a woman says she's a man, I will not call her by her preferred pronouns. I don't want to indulge in her delusions, and don't want her to get further away from reality. After pronouns, she will make others treat her as a man, let her go in men's spaces, etc. To stop women from invading gay men's and gay women's spaces, we shouldn't call TQs by their preferred pronouns. When they say they are the opposite sex, we should stop them right there, before it's too late and they move on to the next stage, which is invading the spaces of the opposite sex that they have been doing for years now.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T19:42:21+00:00

May I know what you think of the split attraction model? Split attraction model allows for identities such as homosexual heteroromantic, which means someone is sexually attracted to the same sex, isn't romantically attracted to the same sex, is romantically attracted to the opposite sex, but is not sexually attracted to the opposite sex.

The model was used by 'asexuals', and later on others started using it too. E.g. a woman who likes sleeping with other women but doesn't like having romantic relationships with them, but has romantic relationships with men would say she's a homosexual heteroromantic.

Are there such identities? Is romantic attraction separate from sexual attraction? If they are not separate why do many people feel like they are only romantic with one sex but only sexual with another sex, etc?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T19:16:24+00:00

Kindness is situational, and morality is subjective, which means you don't get to tell me just because unlike you, I don't draw some arbitrary line for my kindness, I'm the asshole.

I only pointed out your hypocrisy. You show no kindness to someone that wants to alter their body, eventhough they didn't choose to have that body and if they go trying to alter it that's more of a reason to be kind towards them. Because they didn't choose that body, they are under no obligation to accept the body that was given to them without their agreement and they can do whatever they want with it.

But you show kindness to someone with a disorder because for the same reason, they didn't choose to have said disorder. You even go dismissing people's feelings when they have issues with their appearance. Lmfao.

Your holier than thou attitude is cringe, seriously. It's not 'human' to make accommodations for intersex individuals. It's your opinion that it's the 'right' thing to do, while I disagree and don't want to make exceptions because intersex are either male or female, they are not exceptions. Just because most people may agree with you doesn't make your opinion any less of an opinion.

Are CAIS men or women? If phenotypically woman then you agree sex can be determined by phenotypes and not just genes. In that case, it's not wrong to let CAIS in female spaces because they would be women. If they are men then it doesn't matter that they are physically weaker than most men. It's not us women's responsibility to take care of a physically weaker man just because you are a misandrist and think other men are aggressive brute rapists that can beat him up if they see him. Men should solve that issue among themselves. Women shouldn't give their spaces up and let a man in just because other men have anger issues and can't be calm around a man that's not as strong.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T17:45:04+00:00

You think I don't post on GCdebatesQT? That's the only other place I can post questions. But very few people ever go there, and it's for GCs only. I want to ask in a sub for gay people, because these questions are related to gay people. You got a sub for gay people that criticize the TQs and answer questions, besides here? No? But yes please call me a troll 🙄

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T17:22:56+00:00

I am kind to people who have medical conditions they can't control. I am not kind to people who radically alter their body and then bully others into playing pretend.

What I meant is not everyone feels like you. I stay consistent, I don't show kindness to both intersex individuals, and TQs that think they are something they aren't.

It seems strange to show kindness to someone with a disorder, but not to those that get surgery or hormones. Nobody chooses what they are. I think I'm an ugly woman, I didn't choose my looks and I cover my face with a mask everywhere I go. I didn't get surgery for my face because I'm scared of surgeries and they wouldn't make me pretty, but it's hard to feel comfortable.

TQs are the same way, they are given a sex they don't want, they are given a body they never chose. They hate it, so they keep wanting hormones and surgery. Makes no sense to show the disordered kindness, but not these people.

But I don't show kindness to the TQs, because their TQ ideology is homophobic. Same for intersex, they are either male or female. Them feeling like they are the opposite sex and others calling them what they feel they are instead of what they are is like calling a man that never got surgery or hormones a woman just because he feels like he's a woman.

Both are ridiculous to me. Both end up hurting gay people just so the feelings of the intersex or TQs don't get 'hurt', and that crosses the line. We should go with either feelings, or facts, and I choose facts. It's like someone with schizophrenia telling me they see something that's not there. They have no control over their illusions and their 'mental disorder', but I'm not going to say 'yes, there really is something over there'. I outright tell them there's no such thing. Intersex individuals that feel like some sex should be told what sex they actually are. CAIS feel like women but if they are men they should be treated as men and shouldn't be given a free pass to female spaces.

My bad if you are not a troll. The argument was suspicious to me, b/c we get the same arguments from TRAs all the time. I don't blindly trust people on the internet.

I get that. TQs have made everyone tired. I can't trust most people myself so we're in the same boat 🙃

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T17:01:46+00:00

If asking questions means one is a troll then so be it. To me, I don't consider myself a troll. I'm questioning. Also if I were a troll I'd use "he" pronouns to refer to a "trans man". Instead I used "she".

Regarding height, I remember reading on epigenetics that genes can be off or on, depending on environmental factors. So someone has a gene for being tall but due to environment, let's say nutrition, the gene is off and doesn't express itself, therefore this individual becomes short as a result.

If it's a matter of kindness to call someone with CAIS a women, trans right activists can use that to say be kind to people that don't like their sex and body and want to be the opposite sex, call them the opposite sex, treat them as the opposite sex, let them use spaces for their opposite sex, etc.

Nobody chooses the sex they are. Nobody has control over what sex they are. It's understandable these people wouldn't want their sex, or would feel uncomfortable, why extend your kindness to CAIS people but not to the TQs?

Either you are kind to all these cases, or you should go with facts, not someone's feelings. Is someone with CAIS a man or a woman? I'm not going to call them a woman just because they feel like it or identify as such. If they are a man, I'll call them a man even if they feel like they are something they aren't, even if they feel offended. I don't care about feelings.

You can be kind and feel holier than thou. I'm not kind. My kindness only goes to someone that's not crazy.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T16:28:01+00:00

I have a question regarding genotypes vs phenotypes. Is sex determined by phenotype or genotype? There are intersex conditions where a gene is not expressed and the body ends up having genitalia of the sex that has nothing to do with the genes. It's like someone has a gene for being tall, but the gene is not expressed so they end up being short. Are they actually tall or short? Should we say they are tall because they have the gene for a taller height despite it not being expressed and them being short in phenotype? Or should we only take phenotype into consideration?

Wouldn't that be the same for sex?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T16:09:49+00:00

I will say though, one point on which I agree with him is that you can be attracted to someone without caring about their genitals ... Just that, as someone who finds sexual intercourse pointless all around, the urinary receptacle you own doesn't factor into my attraction

Doesn't that just mean you're bi or asexual? 🤔 Some bisexual people say they don't care about genitals. Asexual people don't care about sex so some of them don't care about genitals either.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-13T06:03:13+00:00

How come every right wing I see here on the internet (even in the comments below people are like "as bad as an all woman team is it would be worse to allow anyone gay", "gays are eww", etc) or anywhere is a homophobe then?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-12T16:22:19+00:00

I really like your comment so I though of asking another question

They don't even feel like a warm penis anyway.

What would you say if these homophobes were like "you can warm dildos up with warm water, etc or you can get dildos that electronically heat themselves up, so they become warm like a penis"? Do you have an answer to that?

There are sites on how to warm a dildo up: https://medium.com/@thedodil/heated-dildo-warm-temperature-play-dd2d7a2433bc

https://sextoycollective.com/temperature-play

Also, out of curiosity, are you a guy?

There's a user named mark I know, that mark is a woman. You two have the same first name, write well in your comments, etc like you're writers. I don't know if you're the same user so I'm asking

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-10T21:22:45+00:00

Acting is lying

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-08T03:28:07+00:00

people who identify as trans claim to be something they are not

Which is what actors and actresses do. They claim or pretend to be something they are not. The only "difference" between acting and the TQ belief is for acting, people understand that's not real while for TQs they think what they pretend to be is real. Damn, this makes me hate acting even more.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-07T19:22:58+00:00

we accept that

But what if I don't accept that.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-07T19:14:59+00:00

But then it's the same TQ belief, a man says he is a woman because he says he is, or a woman says she is a man because she says she is, and in the acting as a fictional character whose sex doesn't match the sex of the one who acts as it, a man says he is acting as a woman and therefore is a woman for the time being, and a woman says she is acting as a man and therefore is a man for the time being until the acting is over. There is no difference. "Trans men" and "trans women" are just playing as fictional characters, for years instead of a few minutes or hours. The fictional characters are just a version of them whose sex they think does not match their own sex. They create a fictional version of themselves who they think is the opposite sex, and act as it, and believe they are that for years. They act as that fictional version of themselves whose sex they think doesn't match their own. No difference.

That's why: If I see a male acting as a "female" character, I'll say that character is a male in that story because a male is acting as it, it is not a "female". But a male version of that "female" character people imagined because a male is acting as it.

And if a female acts as a "male" character, then I'll say the character is not male anymore. It is a female version of the "male" character the authors and producers imagined before, but because a female is acting as it, the character is also female.

It just makes no sense for a male to act as a "female" character, or for a female to act as a "male" character. There's just no way I can accept someone with a vagina is a "male" or someone with a penis is a "female" in any setting. Just like I can't accept someone white acting as a "black" character, they are white, and in that "setting" the character is also the white version of the black character that was first imagined, because a white individual is acting as it.

I'm .. so frustrated, wow. :((

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-07T19:09:12+00:00

Obviously not

Why not?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-05T19:34:50+00:00

So, is your definition of a real penis the correct definition or are you claiming that definitions are subjective and people can define things however they want in which case one can define a woman to include a trans woman and a man to include a trans man and they would be just as correct as you who doesn't define a woman to include a trans woman and a man to include a trans man, and none of you would be able to force each other to accept each other's definitions because they are all subjective?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-05T17:49:21+00:00

Some people will consider them real, some will consider them fake, some will say 'eh, close enough' and some will say something else.

But the question is, despite what various people think, is neopenis a real penis, is a breast implant a real breast, etc? The answer to that is either yes or no, which one is it? Yes, some people would think a neopenis is a penis, but if it really is, then the people that force others to accept it is a real penis are right to do that because they'd just make people accept the truth.

But if a neopenis is not a real penis then the people that force others to think a neopenis is a real penis are wrong because they are selling a lie.

What other people think shouldn't matter, just like some people think they are the opposite sex trapped in their body, now are they right or wrong? The answer wouldn't depend on what other people think, there would be an objective answer, that doesn't depend on subjectivity.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T15:31:29+00:00

This is very interesting to me. Do organisms that are tetraploid, and more, have a third sex, a third gamete, or are they always sterile?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T13:40:25+00:00

Can you give examples of other biological things that have never changed and will never change in evolution, besides sex?

Jfc are you seriously even old enough to post here?

Yea, I'm 23.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T13:37:23+00:00

Thank you! I got another question. Since evolution comes with change, how come over all these millions of years there hasn't been a single organism that produced a third gamete, therefore no third sex ever existed and will ever exist? Why only 2 sexes? And not 3 or more sexes in all organisms, humans included? I learned from you why there are 2 sexes instead of no sexes at all, but I can't understand why only 2 sexes and not more than 2 sexes?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T05:21:29+00:00

My question this time was not: "Is sex a social construct". It was: "Why isn't sex mutable when biology itself is mutable?".

Evolution exists, things change, which means biology does not stay the way it is, and changes over time. And since sex is biological or a part of the biology which changes, it means sex changes and is not immutable. At least that's what I get from this. GC says sex is immutable and can not change, so I want to know why you disagree with --> "Sex is mutable and can change, because evolution comes with change and biology is mutable and can change, and since sex is a part of biology, sex is mutable and can change"

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T05:18:00+00:00

I mean, if biology is mutable, then anything biological is mutable because biology itself changes. If you think that's not true, then please explain why you think that way.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T05:16:06+00:00

Sigh, is there a reason you feel like asking me that question is ever going to answer my questions? Answering my question with a question isn't going to help me.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T05:13:30+00:00

But since biology is mutable and changing, when sex is basically biology or a part of biology, how come sex is not changing and is immutable?

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-02-04T04:49:51+00:00

How many times are you ask to be told the same thing over and over again?

The previous questions were: "Is sex not real", today's question is: "Is sex not immutable because evolution comes with change and biology is not immutable?". They're different questions.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-01-26T11:13:04+00:00

Sigh.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-01-26T10:52:24+00:00

Can you respond to these scifi thought experiments then? It will be nice to know how things for simultaneous hermaphrodites in other animals work, I can't ask "biologists" because most of them are tra.

Hypothetical 1- A simultaneous hermaphrodite has sex with another simultaneous hermaphrodite. One fertilizes the other. What's happening here? Which one is true and why? a) a "male" is fertilizing a "female", b) a "female" is fertilizing a "male", c) a "female" is fertilizing a "female", d) a "male" is fertilizing a "male", e) all of those

Hypothetical 2- A male has sex with a simultaneous hermaphrodite. He fertilizes the hermaphrodite. What's happening here? Which one is true and why? a) the male is fertilizing a "female", b) the male is fertilizing a "male", c) both of those

Hypothetical 3- A hermaphrodite gets pregnant. Which one is true and why? a) a "male" gets pregnant, b) a "female" gets pregnant, c) both of those.

If sex, male and female, exists in mammals but not in non-mammal species, then sex is a social construct. We could sit here all day and come to the realization even "specie" and the difference between mammal and non-mammal is a social construct, some categories humans made up to make it easier for them to navigate through the world.

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-01-26T10:51:42+00:00

And hermaphrodites don't "perpetuate themselves" sexually, not at all. /s

Not_a_celebrity · 2021-01-26T10:49:20+00:00

Do you understand what hypotheticals are? You can't even answer hypothetical questions? If sex, male and female, exists in mammals but not in non-mammal species, then sex is a social construct. We could sit here all day and come to the realization even "specie" and the difference between mammal and non-mammal is a social construct, some categories humans made up to make it easier for them to navigate through the world.

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