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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (33 children)

Sounds like prejudice, maybe those people should work on that.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

One of the most ignorant comments you’ve ever made. Congratulations.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

Can you explain why it’s ignorant though?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It’s not prejudiced for females to be weary of males or want spaces free from them.

It’s not prejudiced for poc to be weary of white people and feel unsafe around them, or to want safe spaces for themselves.

It’s not prejudiced for lesbians to not want to have to be around/share spaces with males.

Can you explain why it’s prejudiced?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (16 children)

Because it fits the definition. From wiki:

"Prejudice[1] is an affective feeling towards a person based on their perceived group membership. The word is often used to refer to a preconceived, usually unfavourable, evaluation of another person based on that person's political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race, ethnicity, language, nationality, complexion, beauty, height, occupation, wealth, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics."

You just feel that their prejudice is justified due to the statistics of the situation.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It’s not prejudiced to want to have safe spaces. And it’s not prejudiced for oppressed people to want spaces free of their oppressors, be it females wanting spaces free of males or poc wanting spaces free of white people. Females wanting to have male free spaces is not just about fear. It’s about comfort, it’s about equality. It’s about not allowing males to dictate even womanhood. Females have a right to not want to change around males. To not want to compete for female specific opportunities against males. It is ridiculous to say that females are prejudiced for wanting female rights and spaces to remain for them. Was it prejudiced for suffragettes to march and protest to begin with? Because if you don’t think suffragettes were wrong, how is it now wrong for the new generations of females to want to maintain what our mothers and grandmothers and aunts etc fought for? (And lesbians have every right to want lesbian spaces to be for lesbians. Not males. Males can’t be lesbians. Because they are biologically male.)

And poc can want poc spaces because they have the commonality of not being white in a white dominated society. That’s not prejudice. It’s literally wanting a safe space for themselves. It’s disgusting as fuck for you to say that poc wanting to have their own spaces is rooted in prejudice. How out of touch must you be to say that?! I’m fairly confident that you are a young white male who understands nothing about how the world works outside of your bubble. If not, you’re just lost as fuck (and frankly if you’re not white your ignorance is disgraceful) and I hope time opens you eyes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Fearing that a general set of people will harm you, as opposed to specific individuals, is prejudice. Sorry if that bothers you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Didn’t say anything about harm... literally said it’s not just about harm lmao

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

You using too narrow of a definition of harm. If you believe that safe spaces for particular groups exist because of benefits those spaces offer for those particular group, then you implicitly believe that removing those saces by making them more inclusive would constitute a harm.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So are all of the trans subs on Reddit prejudiced/full of bigots?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Didn’t use any definition of harm lol what are you talking about? Also didn’t say anything about benefits idk what convo you’re in but it’s not the same as the one I’m in.

What’s the point of a lesbian space if it’s opened up to people who aren’t lesbians? What’s the point of a space for poc if white people colonize it? How is a female space a female space if it’s open to males? You don’t make sense. Opening a designated space to people it wasn’t designated for doesn’t make the space more inclusive. It erases the space. Why are you so worried about what lesbians are doing in their spaces or what poc are doing in theirs? What exactly is the issue in marginalized groups having their own space? I never said it was about harm. You just keep it throwing that word out because you want to make your weird prejudice claim fit somehow. What would a straight male need access to lesbian spaces for? What would a White person need access to a poc space for? What’s the reason? What’s the need? What harm is done to them by respecting other people’s boundaries and spaces?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So how do we visually detect which males mean harm and which do not? Or do you mean that no woman anywhere is justified in excluding males and should always assume any male is harmless until she is harmed?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Statistics is not prejudice. Biological reality is not prejudice. People feeling comfortable among their own group is not prejudice either.

Gay men, even in todays society, are given bad gaze, or called out. We thought to act in one way or another, with a lot of stereotypes. Having free space from straight people, from their prejudice is not prejudice, it is just space, where we can feel free and not get annoying comments or looks. Same for people of color, same for females.

Your position is victim blaming and you are calling to promote prejudice and to not let people living under prejudice to have their spaces free of it. Which does not feel very good position to stand for and defend.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You just feel that their prejudice is justified due to the statistics of the situation.

Statistics? How many sexist/racist/homophobic encounters does an individual have to personally endure before they’re allowed to want their own spaces, where they can feel safe amongst people who have common lived experiences? You realize (hopefully) that poc, women, and the lgb all experience encounters, treatment, language, abuse, ridicule etc that you chalk up to statistics on a regular basis? That it’s not “statistics” it’s reality. We don’t want our own safe spaces because of history- we want it because of present day issues. For example: you telling us that wanting space for ourselves free from people who are more privileged than us who treat us like shit makes us prejudiced. We want those spaces to get the fuck away from people like you.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Statistics is saying that such places should be in place, thought.

Statistics saying that unisex spaces have hundred times more rape cases than separated spaces, statistics saying that lack of female spaces in schools and universities makes women to skip lessons during menstruation, statistics saying that almost all violence women are encountering is coming from men.

So statistics are saying that such places must exist for general safety and comfort of each party involved. It is not prejudice, it is general safeguarding.

Little kids can be unsafe around lone older men. So should we now let kids to go out with any man asks them, with anyone giving them candys and asking to check his new amazing van? And because we not letting kids with such men - we have a prejudice? Kids having their own spaces - toilets and showers without grown ups is prejudice too? How stupid this argument is?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

You're allowed to want whatever, but that doesn't disqualify what you want from being an example of prejudice.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Lmao I almost admire your ability to cling to the horrible things you say even when nobody (except maybe masks) agrees with you and everyone thinks what you’re saying is shitty and insensitive to others. You’re the embodiment of the phrase “the confidence of a mediocre white male”. Must be nice.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Black people should stop being so prejudiced to white people?

Really? You don’t see something wildly wrong with that statement?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

Not at all. Prejudice is prejudging people based on flawed reasoning. Those cases all qualify.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m sorry I know I commented a lot but this is bothering me for a few reasons.

By your definition, you yourself are the most prejudiced person on this post. You’re judging poc, lgb members and females for wanting safe spaces. You’re saying we can’t have our own safe spaces to be safe from the prejudice we experience from others without being prejudiced ourselves. You’re victim blaming (which is apparently okay on this sub as long as it’s not aimed at qt) and ignoring the reality of sexism, racism, and homophobia that exists in the world so that you can make your argument. You’re essentially saying that we should just take the abuse we receive and not form outlets to cope and escape because it is excluding the very people who often exclude, dismiss, talk over and harm us. And I’d bet every cent I have that you have no issue with trans people having their own spaces, despite what you’re saying to us.

Talk about flawed reasoning.

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

White liberals want a big melting pot so they can control minorities. Integration is about dominance.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So you’re saying that black people are being prejudiced, and not say, reacting to the racism they experience? If a black person wants to meet with other black people with similar experiences?

Muslim women are prejudiced against men, not part of a religion that does not encourage just hanging out with some dudes?

Nah just prejudiced against the poor ol downtrodden white blokes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

"So you’re saying that black people are being prejudiced, and not say, reacting to the racism they experience of a black person wants to meet with other black people with similar experiences?"

What? This statement has a non-standard structure and I can't understand your meaning

"Muslim women are prejudiced against men, not part of a religion that does not encourage just hanging out with some dudes?"

Religious sexism is still sexism and thus prejudice

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Wow that’s ignorant. Spoken like the most privileged of white dudes.

An ‘if’ become an ‘of’. If that makes a paragraph incomprehensible no wonder you can’t see how racist you are being.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

How ableist of you. Sorry I couldn't read your fucked up sentence, we're not all perfect

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Wouldn’t you calling their sentence “fucked up” also be ableist???

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Fine, but they were being mean about it, acting like any "sensible" person should automatically grasp their message.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Doesn’t make you any less of an ableist lol

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow now aggressive for no reason. My dude you are hitting the typical privileged male trifecta!

On topic, can you explain precisely why and how rape victims or abuse victims should work on themselves to better accommodate men?