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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

The majority of men are. Women are more likely to be bisexual it's now 13%, up from 2% just a decade or so agoor say, "everyone's a little bi." Plus, many women are still raised in cultures, even in the U.S. where there's a deep chance of social rejection for acknowledging same-sex attraction. Those who are raised more open but marry men are less likely to claim the identity, (because it is an identity) because they feel guilty since they aren't "living that life." If they were able to marry and pass, why would they ever acknowledge?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

That’s not what I asked you. I’m aware the majority of men are attracted to women. I’m asking you why some men aren’t, and why some women aren’t?

Also- willingness to acknowledge same sex attraction has nothing to do with whether or not same sex attraction (or opposite sex attraction) is innate. If anything, it sounds like you’re saying sexuality is in fact innate, but many people suppress it.

You asked if it’s true that sexuality is innate, yet have offered no real reasoning as to why it’s not. Why would someone choose to be a sexuality that would get them ostracized? Why wouldn’t lgb people be more open to trans people who claim to be homosexual (but are definitively heterosexual) (also, why would trans people want yet another label -homosexual - that would ostracize them)? Why would homosexual people in countries where being homosexual could get them killed still engage in homosexual relationships if it’s not innate?

Basically- how is sexuality not innate? Exposure to oversexed media makes no sense as an answer because homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality all existed before media.

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You've made the positive claim - there is innate sexuality. You have to prove that. I can't prove there is no god, but religious people are on the line to prove it. People have plenty of reasons for sexuality - trauma, being exposed to something at the time of sexuality discovery and certainly socialization. There are plenty of potential reasons to explain sexuality, but there is no reason to believe it is innate. Again, those who make the claims have to prove their existence. It was the our community who claimed it was to deflect negativity in a campaign for acceptance. It's clear sexuality can change. That is not innate.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Lmao so you’re saying that the billions of people who have said that they didn’t choose their sexuality have to prove this, even straight people?

But you don’t have to prove that sexuality is a choice? Makes sense. Totally makes sense.

Maybe gay people chose to be gay so they could be murdered, threatened, told their “lifestyle” was illegal and a sin against God, and have to spend decades fighting for equal rights (once it was finally safe enough to just be openly gay to begin with). They probably just did it because they were bored or something. It certainly took time, so it’s a great way to pass the time.

Eta- on a post full of ignorant nonsensical comments, this may be the top! Congrats.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On my proves nothing was responded :(

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

I'm not saying anything, except that there is no evidence sexuality is innate. You're real spun up about this, though.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I just think you’re trolling. You don’t Make any sense. And I think it’s odd that you won’t answer the questions we asked about it. It’s also odd that you can’t give any reason for why you don’t think sexuality is innate and that your own comments about your sexuality imply that it’s an innate part of you. Like you just wanted to say some shit to say it. I hate when people say things like that and can’t back it up, but continue to repeat it, as if that proves their point. Sorry I responded to you initially as if you were here to debate. Clearly you’re not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I promise you I'm not trolling. You're not answering my question - where is evidence sexuality is innate? It was the lgbt community who claimed all sexualities are innate responding to Catholic criticisms that heterosexuality is innate. There is no evidence of a gay gene. The claim that sexuality is innate is unfounded. I did want to say some shit about it - I've been a part of the community for three decades, and I dislike when the LGB community claims sexuality is innate - that there's some true self based in biology no less, and sees no hypocracy with the TRA claims that transsexualism is innate. We opened the doors for this.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I asked you questions. You didn’t answer them. You haven’t proven that it’s not innate and most people, including the people here, including even the most qt of people here, understand that sexuality is innate. Like I said- why would someone choose a sexuality that they knew would ostracize them and put them at risk?

If heterosexuality is innate there’s no reason to not see that homosexuality is as well. Both are true.

Is there evidence of a heterosexual gene? Genuine question.

Since you’re a member of the community- when, and why, did you choose to be homosexual? How did you train your body to respond sexually to the same sex? How did you suppress the heterosexual gene you must’ve been born with?

Lastly, I don’t think saying you are attracted to the same sex and have no control over who and what you are attracted to is comparable to saying you were born in the wrong body or have a “gender identity” that doesn’t match your sex. They are completely different things. One side is saying, “I heart the same genitalia as what I have , and would like to not be persecuted for that”. The other side is saying “I am the opposite gender to my sex, I understand what it is to be the opposite gender even though I came to this conclusion while I appeared and was treated solely as the sex I was born. Now I demand that you and everyone accept what I say as fact and valid. If you don’t- you’re a bigot.” Not the same.

Sorry- this is the last thing: a quick google search would show that there’s actually ample evidence that sexuality is in fact innate. But go ahead and keep insisting that there isn’t lol. Weird flex, but you do you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

I'm not claiming heterosexualitiy is innate. That's my point. There is no proof sexuality is innate. There are a number of reasons someone would choose a sexuality they know would ostracize them and put themselves at risk, but there's also plenty of reason to believe sexuality is formed through experience. There is evidence to support that. I'm not going to disprove your claim - I don't have to prove something isn't - that's not how debate works. If someone makes a positive claim, they have to support it. This is up to you to prove there is any bit of evidence other than your feelings that sexuality is innate. In any form.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And what experience do have gay men in Iran, where it is impossible to know from anywhere about homosexuality and no one will show, tell or even hint on it for them?

positive claim

All negative claims were proven wrong, as poster above said. And if all negative claims are wrong then positive claim is true, as it was not disproven by all tries.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

“There are a number of reasons someone would choose a sexuality they know would ostracize them and put themselves at risk. I’m just going to continue to avoid clarifying what they may be while I also avoid answering your questions.”

If sexuality isn’t innate you should be able to answer my questions. It’s odd that you refuse to answer me, your own comments contradict your stance, but you keep clinging to it lol. I think at this point I’m over responding to people who skirt the topic and just keep repeating themselves with no basis. So unless you answer my questions I think we’re done here.