QT: If anorexics identify as underweight, is it wrong to give them weight-restoring treatment?

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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

It’s a developmental disorder. I’m begging you not to try and inform me about a disorder I have.

Disorder, meaning something is functioning abnormally or not functioning. You cannot pretend that there is no difference between a person with autism and one without it. It’s nonsensical and insultingly dismissive of the challenges of living with an ASD.

Do you have anything substantial or just an endless repetition of your opinions in store?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

I have a learning disability, and as a result the ableist school system put me in a segregated class till high school. I do not consider it a disorder. My OCD, ADHD and depression are definitely disorders which thankfully are controlled with medication.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Your learning disorder does not give you authority to decide that developmental disorders are not disorders.

None of your experience is an argument to stop recognising neurodevelopmental differences.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

The term disorder implies something is abnormal. My learning difference is not abnormal, and in my life I was disabled more due to discrimination than due to my learning difference.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

You’re mixing autism up with a learning disability. The two are different beasts entirely.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

A learning difference is not a beast.

I read r/autism on Reddit and some autistic people are offended by the term symptoms. They prefer the term characteristics. I share this sentiment and I am offended when people imply learning differences need to be cured or that they are a “problem”. I know most autistic people support the neurodiversity movement.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Some people being offended does not make them neurotypical. Yes it would be great to be understood better and for differences to be better accepted but that does not change the fact that developmentally, something different from the ideal norm happened and there are varying challenges with that.

Why does the insult of these people matter but my saying I’m insulted by the dismissal of my condition as simply a mild difference does not matter? What reasoning do you have for picking and choosing who’s feelings and who’s experiences matter and who’s don’t?

You don’t know most autistic people because they aren’t on r/autism. That’s a ridiculous claim to make and cannot be backed.

Different beasts is a turn of phrase. Not a literal beast. 🙄

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

There is nothing wrong with not being neurotypical. I don't just read r/autism, I read wrong planet, ASAN and blogs by autistic people including rhemashope, faith hope and love with autism and ido in autismland. I also have autistic friends who told me they don't want a cure. When I am not part of a group I listen to the majority of people in the group, and the majority of autistic people support neurodiversity. After all, the movement was started by autistic people. As someone with a learning difference, which is also a neurodiverse condition, I 100% agree with this sentiment. I hate when people imply learning differences or disabilities need to be cured or prevented. They don't.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Recognising that a disorder is different from the usual developmentally is not condemnation of neuroatypical people.

Message boards do not contain the majority of autistic people. Listing more forums doesn’t make your statement factual. Many people with autism are not able to use those message boards. You are not taking into account just how severely limiting an ASD can be and are taking the opinions of a few high-functioning individuals as the one opinion like we are a hive mind. You are listening to a select group and calling it a majority incorrectly.

You are not an advocate for us all and it’s offensive that you refuse to listen to someone who actually has the disorder you’re talking about and instead try to o form me of the ‘correct’ stance about something you do not have any experience in.

You hating recognising that differences are called disorders in medical literature because it’s literally not the usual order of development is not an argument against anything. Your opinions is still not an argument against anything.

If your response is going to be another opinion instead of an argument, just don’t post it. You seem to either not understand or refuse to accept that your opinions and forum posts by hundreds or thousands out of millions of people, do not make any sort of coherent point.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are not an advocate for us all and it’s offensive that you refuse to listen to someone who actually has the disorder you’re talking about and instead try to o form me of the ‘correct’ stance about something you do not have any experience in.

Wasn't it the same with gay men and lesbians discussion?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

I'm not condemning neurotypical people. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with being neuro diverse. Temple Grandin said "the world needs all kinds of minds".

You are entitled to your opinion. I do realize I can't advocate for everyone. For instance at the Republican National Convention, a few black men said Trump isn't racist. However, most black and indigenous people including my own friends say he's racist, so I go with the majority opinion. Same with autism. Many autistic people dislike Autism Speaks. I know of 2 autistic people that are involved in the organization, Carly Fleischmann and Kerry Magro, but most autistic people don't like the organization.

Why Autism Speaks Doesn't Speak For Me

Why I am Against Autism Speaks (and you should be, too)

Responding to Autism Speaks

"I, Too": My Autism Speaks Story

A Roundup of Posts Against Autism Speaks

So as a result when I was in college I called them out for having Autism Speaks U, I refused to participate in fundraisers for Autism Speaks, and when a person asked me if I'm involved in Autism Speaks U, I politely explained most autistic people don't like that organization. I understand there will always be exceptions.

I once met an autistic activist who says she uses her autism to advocate for her low functioning brother. I told her many autistic people don't like functioning labels and she said she disagrees and uses functioning labels. She also wore a puzzle piece kippah and is aware of the puzzle piece controversy. I talked to her about ASAN and she said she was kicked out of ASAN because she didn't oppose residential treatment centers (she was in an RTC herself and said it helped her). While in general I like ASAN, they shouldn't have kicked her out for having the wrong opinion. She told me I should get involved in disability activism.

So at the end of the day I do realize I won't be able to please everyone with my advocacy and that's OK. It's rare to have a 100% consensus on anything. So I go with what the majority from a group say. I read books like The Reason I jump, and Carly's voice, I read blogs by autistic people, watch videos and documentaries that feature autistic voices. Not all the blogs I read are written by "high functioning" people. Most of the people in the blogs can't speak and require support, but use AAC.

And because I have a disability myself, I have personal experience with ableism and am fighting against it like everybody else. But I understand our disabilities vary and thus our experiences with ableism vary. While I was unlawfully segregated in a special ed class. I was always spoken to like other kids my age. Many autistic people who are non-verbal reported being spoken to like infants before they had the chance to communicate with AAC. Even "high functioning" autistic people reported being treated as incompetent. Heck, many visibly disabled adults still get spoken to like little kids, or others speak to the able-bodied person with them, and not the disabled person. That's why I always repeat "presume competence" and this is one of the few things there is a 100% consensus on in our community.