GC: What is the best or most important thing trans people or transsexuals can do to help you?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (66 children)

Can you stop speaking over women who don’t believe in the same god as you and just let us speak instead?

I'm not. You can believe in whatever god you want. Yes, this question was aimed at GC women, not all women. You could have specified you were speaking for GC women and not for all women.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why should I need to when I’m answering for gc women. You just can’t help but interject your lord and saviour even when it’s totally irrelevant and uncalled for. Go away and annoy literally anyone else.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you gonna stop speaking over us now or what?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (62 children)

So you’re completely fine with alllll of the girls and women who don’t feel like it’s right to have transwomen forced on us having our safe spaces invaded and our rights stripped from us? That’s kind of what you’re saying. That just because maybe half (that’s being incredibly generous) of females are comfortable with men undoing the women rights movement all for the sake of the Almighty Gender- the rest of us just have to suffer and deal? You have zero consideration for GC females and females that don’t even know the term gc but still think trans ideology is wrong

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (61 children)

I respect females who don't agree with the trans ideology. But many females (more than half) are supportive of trans people. I'll support spaces for women who don't agree with the trans ideology.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (60 children)

So, you want three spaces? One for males, one for females who are gc, and one for non gc females and select males?

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And it is always women, who need to share.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Nothing can make men safe to be around. So please let these men in your space”

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao “hey lady use the terf toilets! We don’t accept gender atheists here’l

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (56 children)

We can have 2 spaces. One for everyone and one for cis females, who have the option of choosing which space.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

So, one bathroom for all males and women who think TWAW, and one for gender critical females?

So you’re saying... lol... to put transwomen in a bathroom that would still have other men but it’s okay because a “cis” woman may be stupid enough to think that’s the bathroom she should use in support of Almighty Gender? And you don’t think that some women who support TWAW May choose to use the special “T*rfs Only” bathroom, because it’s likely safer, ideology aside? And you don’t think that transwomen would inevitably find an excuse to trickle on over to the “T-rfs Only”?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We can turn men's facilities into unisex facilities. Anyone who wants to use men's facilities can. We can also have female only facilities exclusively for people born female who want to get away from men.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am fine with that in theory- im saying it is most likely that TW won’t respect that. Like- women’s restrooms were already female only facilities exclusively for people born female to get away from men- didn’t stop TW from entering those spaces to begin with.

Eta- I also think that most females would use the female facilities, which would solve nothing because TW still want to go were actual women go

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

So you acknowledge that it would be stupid to use a men’s toilet?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (51 children)

I acknowledge that whether it’s stupid or not- it doesn’t give you the right to invade my safe spaces. But yeah, I do think it would be stupid for a female to use the men’s room just to make a political point in favor of the demise of her rights. Absolutely. I also think the women’s room is safer for females, without any males. I believe that there have been transphobic attacks in men’s rooms- but there have also been homophobic attacks, there have also been attacks amongst two heterosexual men in a dispute, I’ve even seen stories of children being harmed in those spaces- believing that these incidents did and may occur doesn’t not mean that I believe they occur with enough frequency to warrant dismantling the concept of single sex bathrooms to accommodate only one of the groups of people susceptible to male violence in the men’s bathroom. Particularly when it opens up the women’s room to the dangerous men everyone is trying to get away from while simultaneously promoting the idea that females shouldn’t even be weary when a male body is in their space.

Does that answer your question?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Self-ID makes this situation even more absurd and harmful to females. There was already case in country with Self-ID, when man (male) who looked like a man come into women's toilet, woman (female) there used paper spray in self defense, however that man said he is woman by Self-ID (so that man is transwoman just not willing to take any hormones or do any surgeries and is fine looking like a man), and in the end woman was arrested and charged for "hate attack". She said he tried to molest her, but that was ignored. With Self-ID and when laws are rewritten to protect "gender" and not "sex", there men (who abuse Self-ID) and transwomen are protected from females in female-only spaces. Same if transwoman will attack gender non-conforming woman in toilet, law will be protecting transwoman, as transwoman will be more "woman gender" and it is "gender" which is protected by law, not "sex".

And in those countries there two toilets: "Toilet for men" and "Toilet for women, transwomen, transmen, enbies". In other words - men's toilet and unisex toilet. And we all know that unisex toilets are the worst for women, majority of rape cases are happening in them. And this too: https://womansplaceuk.org/gender-neutral-toilets-dont-work-for-women-2/

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (49 children)

I just wanted you to be clear about the fact that you know it is stupid for someone to share a bathroom with a man but still expect us to.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

So gay men shouldn’t use the men’s room? And you’re going to ignore everything else I said about frequency? You love to ignore what people say and just focus on one part. Point is- I don’t think transwomen are in any more danger than any other male in that space (actually I’m confident there has been more gay bashing than trans bashing in the men’s room) and that any public space can be dangerous for anyone.