Huh this is a whole.... hole..... Rape victim argues being raped by a TW is no different than being raped by a W? (I disagree but please discuss!)

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Huh this is a whole.... hole.....

Original article - http://valleywag.gawker.com/twitter-engineer-dana-mccallum-pled-guilty-to-two-misde-1643207780

MTF Violently rapes wife after getting served divorce papers

Now-ex wife says some.... interesting things that kind of erase / ignore biology?

http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2014/10/16/its-not-about-her-ex-a-trans-partners-story/

My case is not about the genitals of my wife. Her chromosomal structure and genital configuration and that she was assigned male at birth have got NOTHING TO DO with the sexual violation of my body. Why does it matter if she used her penis or even has one? WHO CARES?? You want so badly to create the “all men/penises are evil” platform, that you can’t see the anguish your comments cause me, the victim, and other victims of sexual abuse.

The CRIME here was not her gender configuration. What if she had XX chromosomes or a vagina? What if she had used a carrot? A bamboo plant? A fist, a dildo, or ANY OTHER BODY PART OR OBJECT? The CRIME was the sexual violation of my body by someone I loved, who was under the influence of alcohol. THAT should be the focus of this conversation, not the instrument used.

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[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Her chromosomal structure and genital configuration and that she was assigned male at birth have got NOTHING TO DO with the sexual violation of my body.

Not only a rape survivor by a natal male but a gender theorist.

You can’t make this shit up.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel like most (probably not all, but a lot) trans people who transition in a relationship and expect a spouse to go along with it are extremely narcissistic. To stay in that relationship, she probably had to really, really internalize gender ideology to satisfy her partner. It’s heartbreaking that she did that to the point of not being able to accurately characterize the reality of her own rape.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah - on a semi relevant note I saw this earlier and I don't even know where to begin - it brings in a lot of ethical considerations I had never thought of -

It's probably worth it's own post if I get the spoons and focus (but not enough focus to take care of real work :p )

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen4/20c/How-the-transgender-movt-destroyed-a-family/index.html

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, that’s really awful and disgusting! 🤢 That guy just seems like a sick AGP narcissist with no respect for anyone’s boundaries. It’s awful than trans has become something than enables men like this.

[–]DistantGlimmer 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel bad for this woman as it seems that she may be concerned about being branded a "transphobe" and the ensuing shitstorm on top of dealing with her rape trauma. If she is saying what she feels she needs to to avoid that I think it is very understandable under the circumstances.

Obviously the fact that the woke Stasi has advanced to such a point where that is a legitimate fear a rape victim would have is absolutely sickening and misogynistic.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I do not envy her at all :(

[–]worried19 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, it is true that a natal female person could have raped her. They just would have been extraordinarily less likely to.

Less likely to try, but also less likely to succeed. I'm assuming despite the transition, there are still significant physical strength and height disparities between her and her ex.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Natal female rape will be also different, because of the lack of penis and less differences in strenght between the two.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The body parts would be different, but surely the violation would be the same?

I've never experienced either, thankfully, but I can't imagine same-sex rape would be less traumatizing.

[–]Spikygrasspod 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When someone puts their fingers, or something that they're holding in their hands, inside you, their entire body isn't usually pressed against yours, their hips aren't on yours, their legs aren't between yours, their face might not be breathing on your face, they don't ejaculate bodily fluids into you, and you can't get pregnant and you're probably not going to get an STD. Trauma can have lots of non-physical components like emotional betrayal etc. And only the individual can say how they feel about it. But for me, I don't feel that it's the same.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point about the threat of pregnancy.

Female-on-female rape carries no risk of that. For the rest, I don't feel comfortable commenting and agree it's up to the survivors of such attacks to say how they feel about it.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Honestly I agree. Yes if her wife was female, then she might have been able to fight back. But if I murder you it doesn't matter if I use a gun, poison or pummel you to death. Murder is murder regardless of the tools used. And for the GC crowd saying "rape is only with a penis" im sorry that law Is stupid as fuck. Don't @ me. Female rape happens. And if you read the victims accounts, then I don't see much of a difference between the two.

It doesn't matter what you're raped with in the same way it does not matter what you're murdered with.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure but it wasn't murder - and it would have likely required a weapon if it was F on F in a way it doesn't for M on F.

How many women have gotten pregnant being raped by a woman though?

How many nations used systemized rape against women, by women?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In all the accounts I have read a weapon was never involved.

None obviously. So if the dude had a vasectomy or was chemically sterile it wouldn't be rape? Why does the penis matter again?

Wether or not a crime has been committed en mass by another tangentially related group shouldn't matter. Or is a nazi killing a black dude more murder than a hindu killing a black dude?

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is all rape equal, yes / no?
That said IMO she was raped by a man and to be raped by a man as a woman is not the same as being raped by a woman, as a woman. FOr one I have not met the woman who could rape me the way that man raped her.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The thing about male on female rape tho, is that he's acting out and reinforcing the idea that women exist solely to serve men. So not only is there an individual power trip going on, but also class warfare.

The second trauma doesn't occur if a woman should rape another woman. Besides that, < is extremely rare. I don't live in a constant state of anxiety waiting for the next time I'll be catcalled or sexually harassed or sexually intimidated or raped by random women. Before I got old and became invisible, I remember feeling a breath of relief on those days when I came home and I HAD NOT been harassed by a man at some point that day.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure if you can call male on female rape class warfare, at least in most western cases. Then again I'm most familiar with date/opportunistic rape, so maybe my experience is just to limited overall.

What do you mean by second trauma? Also rarity doesn't mean it mean a crime doesn't exist or is less bad than the more prevelant one.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure if you can call male on female rape class warfare, at least in most western cases.

How are female people not a class everywhere?

What do you mean by second trauma? Also rarity doesn't mean it mean a crime doesn't exist or is less bad than the more prevelant one.

I think she is referring to the class trauma that wouldn’t be present if she was raped by a woman. A woman raping another woman wouldn’t be part of a rape culture that degrades women, limits our feelings of safety, and treats us like we are nothing more than objects for male pleasure.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not denying that. In my albeit limited experience I just don't see that much of an "put her in her place", which I consider essential when calling something class warfare. I'm not denying that women's oppression enables rape to be as prevelant as it is, Im just not convinced that it's a weapon in class warfare as much as a direct consequence, at least in the western world. If we think globally then I agree.

Well. You would be an object of female pleasure, so yeah that's obvious.