Huh this is a whole.... hole..... Rape victim argues being raped by a TW is no different than being raped by a W? (I disagree but please discuss!)

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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Honestly I agree. Yes if her wife was female, then she might have been able to fight back. But if I murder you it doesn't matter if I use a gun, poison or pummel you to death. Murder is murder regardless of the tools used. And for the GC crowd saying "rape is only with a penis" im sorry that law Is stupid as fuck. Don't @ me. Female rape happens. And if you read the victims accounts, then I don't see much of a difference between the two.

It doesn't matter what you're raped with in the same way it does not matter what you're murdered with.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sure but it wasn't murder - and it would have likely required a weapon if it was F on F in a way it doesn't for M on F.

How many women have gotten pregnant being raped by a woman though?

How many nations used systemized rape against women, by women?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In all the accounts I have read a weapon was never involved.

None obviously. So if the dude had a vasectomy or was chemically sterile it wouldn't be rape? Why does the penis matter again?

Wether or not a crime has been committed en mass by another tangentially related group shouldn't matter. Or is a nazi killing a black dude more murder than a hindu killing a black dude?

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is all rape equal, yes / no?
That said IMO she was raped by a man and to be raped by a man as a woman is not the same as being raped by a woman, as a woman. FOr one I have not met the woman who could rape me the way that man raped her.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The thing about male on female rape tho, is that he's acting out and reinforcing the idea that women exist solely to serve men. So not only is there an individual power trip going on, but also class warfare.

The second trauma doesn't occur if a woman should rape another woman. Besides that, < is extremely rare. I don't live in a constant state of anxiety waiting for the next time I'll be catcalled or sexually harassed or sexually intimidated or raped by random women. Before I got old and became invisible, I remember feeling a breath of relief on those days when I came home and I HAD NOT been harassed by a man at some point that day.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure if you can call male on female rape class warfare, at least in most western cases. Then again I'm most familiar with date/opportunistic rape, so maybe my experience is just to limited overall.

What do you mean by second trauma? Also rarity doesn't mean it mean a crime doesn't exist or is less bad than the more prevelant one.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure if you can call male on female rape class warfare, at least in most western cases.

How are female people not a class everywhere?

What do you mean by second trauma? Also rarity doesn't mean it mean a crime doesn't exist or is less bad than the more prevelant one.

I think she is referring to the class trauma that wouldn’t be present if she was raped by a woman. A woman raping another woman wouldn’t be part of a rape culture that degrades women, limits our feelings of safety, and treats us like we are nothing more than objects for male pleasure.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not denying that. In my albeit limited experience I just don't see that much of an "put her in her place", which I consider essential when calling something class warfare. I'm not denying that women's oppression enables rape to be as prevelant as it is, Im just not convinced that it's a weapon in class warfare as much as a direct consequence, at least in the western world. If we think globally then I agree.

Well. You would be an object of female pleasure, so yeah that's obvious.