Why Ukraine still holds the winning hand

HugodeCrevellier · 2025-03-12T16:39:28+00:00

Just conscription. Kidnapping is different.

https://youtu.be/Kp26UsVbwtQ?si=KPE-L4tRer3zvks4

ActuallyNot · 2025-03-12T14:02:08+00:00

Do watch that Jeffrey Sachs video.

Nah, I'm good thanks.

The Russians needn't have intervened,

Correct. The genocide is on their hands.

but the Zelensky puppet was used by the Neocons to force Russia's hand, ...

Again, not a puppet. An overwhelmingly popular politician. 73% of the vote.

the sociopathic plan (unwittingly revealed by Alexey Arestovich in 2019) was that the upcoming war (though catastrophic for the Ukrainian people!)

Yes. Putin is a sociopath. But obviously Zelenskyy didn't invade himself.

So, the killing needs to stop, and then so will these 'conscriptions'/kidnappings

Just conscription. Kidnapping is different.

terrorising the Ukrainian people

No, that's the invaders targeting civilians. Obviously.

(just to prop up a treasonous Zelensky regime).

Defending against an invasion isn't treason. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

HugodeCrevellier · 2025-03-12T10:36:15+00:00

I puzzle at the kind of deep stupidity required to wish ill on Elon Musk, ...
coming from all these useless hacks, with nothing of actual value to contribute to civilisation,
gleefully schadenfreuding if some failure occurs on one of his many great projects,
because it offers them, these mediocre minds, an opportunity to try to undermine a great spirit ...
who's possibly the most actually useful human being on the planet.

PS) The Fermi Paradox

PPS) Quite a few anti-Elon posts in a row by u/ActuallyNot, hmmm!

HugodeCrevellier · 2025-03-12T10:09:31+00:00

Do watch that Jeffrey Sachs video.

The Russians needn't have intervened, but the Zelensky puppet was used by the Neocons to force Russia's hand, ...
the sociopathic plan (unwittingly revealed by Alexey Arestovich in 2019) was that the upcoming war (though catastrophic for the Ukrainian people!)
was expected to lead to Russia's defeat and regime-replacement.

This failed.

So, the killing needs to stop, and then so will these 'conscriptions'/kidnappings terrorising the Ukrainian people (just to prop up a treasonous Zelensky regime).

ActuallyNot · 2025-03-12T02:02:00+00:00

Oh, the bullshit!

Which?

That Russia invaded, that they target civilians or that they violate agreements?

Because none of them are bullshit.

Doesn't anybody ever read Jeffrey Sachs

No idea, but I haven't got an hour and a half to watch the video. What is the TLDW?

THIS is but the tip of the Zelensky regime you are shilling for.

They're conscripting?

Yes. Sometimes countries have to do that when they're invaded. You need people to fight off an invader. When the invader is much larger it takes more people than you have in the armed forces. When they're attacking civilian infrastructure, and have several times the ammo, morale is low enough that volunteers are lacking.

Hell, the US did it to man a police action in Vietnam when volunteers were lacking. That's why Donald had to claim to have bone spurs in his feet.

Zelensky is a plant,

No, he won an election in a landslide. 73% of the vote.

a fake

Fake what?

an actor

Yes. An actor and comedian. Politicians should have some experience in the society that they're running. Career politicians are quick to corrupt and don't fully understand the implications of their decisions.

a sociopathic Neocon puppet working for foreign interests, which don't care for the Ukrainian people.

Why are you spouting Russian propaganda? You know that Russia invaded, and is targeting the Ukrainian people, don't you? Zelenskyy didn't have a hand in any of that. On the contrary, he's resisting as much as he's able. And, to his credit, never fled the country.

HugodeCrevellier · 2025-03-10T11:00:56+00:00

Oh, the bullshit!

Doesn't anybody ever read Jeffrey Sachs?

And you're spewing propaganda crap ... to keep people dying, WTF?!

THIS is but the tip of the Zelensky regime you are shilling for.

This phenomenon is so extensive that even the BBC (typical Neocon apologists) had to pretend to cover it.

Zelensky is a plant, a fake, an actor, a sociopathic Neocon puppet working for foreign interests, which don't care for the Ukrainian people.

ActuallyNot · 2025-03-10T02:33:01+00:00

Were he not a sociopath that has no qualms trading the lives of Ukrainians in exchange for foreign powers propping up his corrupt regime, Zelensky would have long ago signed some kind of deal with Russia

Russia invaded. They didn't come asking for some kind of deal. The came bearing targeted attacks on civilians. Those small deals, humanitarian corridors, Russia simply violated the agreements.

Zelenskyy attempted diplomacy, but that had only two options. Flee or fight. He hasn't fled.

HugodeCrevellier · 2025-03-07T18:48:20+00:00

Oh, the idiocy ... or lies!

What if Zelenskyy is getting scammed?

... the Islamist "journalist" asks herself. :/

Hmmm, is it usually the one getting scammed that's taking people's money? :?

In any case, Zelensky seems willing to sell the Ukrainians' homeland to foreign globalist (both anti-Russian and anti-Ukrainian) interests.

Were he not a sociopath that has no qualms trading the lives of Ukrainians in exchange for foreign powers propping up his corrupt regime,
Zelensky would have long ago signed some kind of deal with Russia, ...
BEFORE all these Russians and Ukrainians (that he cares so much about, awww!) had been killed.

PS) https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

YoMamma · 2025-02-28T21:13:06+00:00

or wops, wop

YoMamma · 2025-02-28T18:49:43+00:00

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/gdd1/actuallynot_rules_violation_his_sub_should_be/17oaw

ForbiddenKnowledge · 2025-02-27T18:45:30+00:00

Who cares. If you don't get vaccinated thats your problem.

YoMamma · 2025-02-27T09:57:42+00:00

If they're anti-vaxxers, yes.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T02:13:49+00:00

That's right. An American being vaccinated will mostly benefit Americans.

We benefit from the inventions and expertise from better education in Africa and India, and should want it. Even if we are psychopaths that don't want other people to have better lives. Most of us just empathise though.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T02:11:21+00:00

So those of us with empathy can see the value of vaccination.

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-27T02:09:49+00:00

So what?

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-27T02:09:38+00:00

An American being vaccinated isn't going to save some 80 IQ savage in Africa or India, nor should we want to.

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-27T02:08:45+00:00

I'm guessing that 2.6m is the utter dregs of humanity.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T02:02:58+00:00

The parents of each of those dead children would rather that they were vaccinated and alive.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T02:02:06+00:00

To save 2.6 million lives, 60,000 cases of measles blindness, and 5-10% of all hearing loss.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T01:58:31+00:00

We had more than 125 cases every year in our school district and noone died

Deaths are rare. But avoidable with the vaccine.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T01:57:47+00:00

Globally about 2.6 million per year. Most people put 2.6 million people as more than "basically nobody".

Other complications include deafness, intellectual disability, and blindness.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-27T01:53:11+00:00

It killed an average of about 2.6 million deaths per year prior to vaccines.

It can also cause blindness.

Stop with the scare BS already.

Any vaccine preventable death is a high price to pay compared to a $100 shot.

YoMamma · 2025-02-27T00:31:08+00:00

troll

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-26T23:19:23+00:00

Measles sounds overblown.

YoMamma · 2025-02-26T22:49:18+00:00

You are trolling. Though post 1963, 500 died agonizing deaths annually, 5 million annually got measles in the US through much of the 20th century, and before. And a vaccine was necessary to eradicate polio. And before those vaccines, millions more suffered and/or died. of preventable measles and polio.

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-26T22:27:58+00:00

Im not. 500 people out of a population is basically nothing. 500 people probably die a year sneezing too hard.

YoMamma · 2025-02-26T21:21:35+00:00

Why are you trolling?

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-26T20:09:48+00:00

So basically nobody died from it. 🤔

Why do we do a measles vaccine again?

YoMamma · 2025-02-26T20:05:26+00:00

Until the early 1960s, hundreds of people died annually from measles in the US.

Between the early 1960s and 2000, the number of measles-relaated deaths dwindled gradually from 500 annually to 0 annually.

farmer · 2025-02-26T15:29:56+00:00

We had more than 125 cases every year in our school district and noone died. Som people had the little pock mark on their forehead where they scratched the itch when they were told to leave them alone, if you see a little pock mark on someone's forehead it used to mean they scratched a chicken pox itch.

American_Muskrat · 2025-02-26T15:05:56+00:00

Damn so basically nobody died of it.

farmer · 2025-02-26T13:11:46+00:00

It was very rare for anyone to die from measles prior to all these shots.

Stop with the scare BS already.

YoMamma · 2025-02-26T03:50:41+00:00

In the 1910s there was an average of 6000 measles-related deaths annually. The first vaccine for it was available in 1963, but the goal to eradicate measles was not until 1978 (by the CDC), and the final eradication in the US was by the year 2000. I looked up this information in order to see how the post-war generation benefitted from one of the most important vaccine programs in history. I'd say that the so-called information warfare of the past few decades (which has been also a class warfare) has now destroyed an essential aspect of the so-called American Dream: a pursuit of truth and scientific fact and the separation of church and state (which has protected religious freedom as well as secular governance). That's part of a post-truth political discourse today. And I think it's also the Heritage Foundation's plan for bulding a banana republic, ruled by an oligarchy. The latest Texas measles outbreak is I think an important sign of this ongoing division and destruction of the American experience. TL:DR - a 1st world country with 3rd world problems is a victim of its oligarchy.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-26T03:11:46+00:00

WSJ asks Kennedy to cast aside ‘antivax hooey’ amid Texas measles outbreak.

Good luck. Crackpots gonna crack.

YoMamma · 2025-02-16T23:00:27+00:00

OK - good to know. Perhaps news of Trump's services to Putin are not as popular as it should be, lol.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-16T22:38:57+00:00

Huh.

"allow this sub to be included in /s/all as well as the default and trending lists" is checked.

I wonder what is going on.

YoMamma · 2025-02-15T22:40:42+00:00

Excellent point.

It seems this sub does not appear in /s/All (one can select it in the sub's settings). And this additional report of Trump doing Putin's bidding could be in s/politics.

ActuallyNot · 2025-02-14T04:25:36+00:00

If there are no consequences for genocide in a neighbouring country, power hungry dictators will annex more and more of their neighbours.

Trump's corrupt attempts to normalize that should be resisted.

ActuallyNot · 2024-12-11T21:57:35+00:00

When your medical professionals are telling you gender is a concept

I'm not quite sure of your meaning here. Can you link to a medical professional telling you gender is a concept, so that I can try to understand your point?

children can choose to have their genitals removed,

Oh, I see. You're part of the trans-panic movement.

Relax. Children can't choose to have their genitals removed.

and the experimental gene therapy "vaccine" is safe

There is no gene therapy vaccine.

I was on Twitter and saw two posts of "doctors" spouting bullshit like "lemon water twice a day will cure cancer" and "Nicotine kills all viruses".

Yes. Twitter is full of bullshit these days. I think it's because Elon supports Trump, and Trump does bullshit stuff like put charlatans like Dr. Oz in charge of medicare.

ActuallyNot · 2024-12-11T00:42:37+00:00

According to the most recent IPCC report, our climate sensitivity is very likely somewhere between 2 and 5 ℃.

If that's biased low, we're looking at a world where only the rich will be able to afford to eat. With impacts like "food supply suffers sustained disruptions worldwide" and "ocean life losses become widespread in all ocean environments".

HiddenFox · 2024-12-09T10:08:33+00:00

When your medical professionals are telling you gender is a concept, children can choose to have their genitals removed, and the experimental gene therapy "vaccine" is safe and effective it's no surprise people are turning to daytime TV personalities.

I was on Twitter and saw two posts of "doctors" spouting bullshit like "lemon water twice a day will cure cancer" and "Nicotine kills all viruses". Garbage like this will thrive when you have the core of your medical professionals spouting bullshit themselves.

ActuallyNot · 2024-12-09T05:49:19+00:00

This policy should bring the population down, which in turn should reduce unemployment.

Tigerbitecrazy · 2024-11-11T06:12:22+00:00

Something i have found to be very common lately is that most people do not know they have options for specific vaccines. My wife got different vaccination when she was pregnant than if she was not and my daughter as well bc she was recently sick and has aspergers. There are some out there that serve their purpose well but you must read up and inform yourself if you are ever required to get one.

Questionable · 2024-11-06T16:56:32+00:00

𝘕𝘰.

tradecoder · 2024-10-30T05:44:16+00:00

An obvious fruit cup fagot.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-24T23:34:25+00:00

The Plan: Plan to refreeze Arctic sea ice shows promise in first tests

YoMamma · 2024-09-23T01:30:14+00:00

And if it happens, it'll be the ~3843rd conflict of interest of Trump's presidencies.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-22T23:25:35+00:00

The only possible reason for this case appears to be so that he can order the DoJ to settle if he wins the election and profit for the hundreds of millions of dollars from the taxpayer.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-06T01:05:43+00:00

I want to keep the discussion here cerebral. Which is why I started the sub. If you make a reasoned argument, or provide a good source, your comment won't be moderated. I don't want cruft here.

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-06T00:43:15+00:00

Funny how that happens in a sub clled bully pulpit moderated by you only LMAO

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-05T11:38:55+00:00

I have removed this comment, because it's not sufficiently high on the pyramid of debate. Try responding with a reasoned argument.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-04T03:36:43+00:00

It was erected to combat racism against Latinos: It was established on February 17, 1929, in Corpus Christi, Texas, largely by Hispanics returning from World War I who sought to end ethnic discrimination against Latinos in the United States.

Yes, what makes you think its a racist organization?

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-04T00:39:35+00:00

the organization erected to advance the interests of a single race, what makes me think it's racist?

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-03T03:48:26+00:00

What makes you think it's a racist organization?

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-02T16:20:31+00:00

LULAC is a racist organization. I defend crushing all such. That's the argument.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-02T04:43:36+00:00

You think that people shouldn't stand up to race based voter suppression ... because standing up to it is racist?

That's a difficult position to understand. Can you word a compelling argument?

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-02T03:50:12+00:00

LULAC is a fundamentally racist organization. Being against LULAC is being anti-racist.

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-02T01:43:48+00:00

Texas republicans appear to be racist to the extent that they appear to be against LULAC.

Which is what you'd expect since they have a tendency to vote democrat.

But the idea of a democracy is that they move their policies to serve the people rather than shutting down charities that try to get people on the electoral role.

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-01T18:55:51+00:00

no it's legitimate and texas is just racist, duh

ActuallyNot · 2024-09-01T14:49:13+00:00

Okay.

The guardian mentions at the end of the article that Manuel Medina's house was also raided.

So you asked about the "almost 65 cell phones and 41 computers" that were seized there, because that raid is tasked to this one.

And by "most people usually have 40 computers and 70 cell phones at their house, right?" You mean that you think that someone running a canvassing operation must be doing something illegal if they have enough hardware for 60 volunteers?

iamonlyoneman · 2024-09-01T00:36:06+00:00

Oh sorry, I also pay attention to the news from various sources and was remembering

According to an affidavit used to seek the search warrant, an investigator obtained a recorded conversation in which Mr. Medina discussed collecting ballots, a practice known as vote harvesting, on behalf of Ms. Castellano. Court records show that agents with Mr. Paxton’s office spent seven hours at Mr. Medina’s house and seized numerous papers, documents, family and other photographs, as well as about 65 cellphones and 41 computers, digital and other storage devices.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/25/us/texas-latinos-democrats-raids-paxton.html

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-30T05:00:01+00:00

The problem is that he not only had no proof, but that his arguments were so frivolous that the Kraken lawyers were sanctioned.

HiddenFox · 2024-08-29T20:02:11+00:00

present the proof.

100% agree with that.

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-29T04:48:41+00:00

Through the courts. But unlike how he did it, present the proof.

HiddenFox · 2024-08-28T20:27:11+00:00

So my question is, if the president honestly believes the election was stolen and he thinks he has proof, how should he go about pursuing it?

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-28T07:08:16+00:00

Smith removed allegations in the original indictment that claimed Trump acted unlawfully by pressuring Justice Department officials to help him overturn the results, after the Supreme Court did rule those acts fell within the scope of Trump’s official duties.

It is legal for a president to pressure Justice Department officials to help him overturn election results.

The current SCOTUS urgently needs indicting.

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-28T02:28:08+00:00

Eventually, the officers left with her laptop, planner and cellphone.

It that the line you're referring to?

iamonlyoneman · 2024-08-28T00:19:03+00:00

most people usually have 40 computers and 70 cell phones at their house, right?

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-23T23:26:09+00:00

You didn't even read it lol.

That's right. I can spend the same time reading things that aren't Kremlin propaganda and everyone is better off.

Ben Schreckinger (born c. 1990) is an American journalist and and writer.

You're saying that that refutes his article about veterans today?

It doesn't.

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-23T22:40:14+00:00

So it is. This is the episode about the Cass Review:

https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-995

Oyveygoyim · 2024-08-23T19:14:16+00:00

You didn't even read it lol. The man who wrote that article

Ben Schreckinger (born c. 1990) is an American journalist and writer. He is a national political correspondent for Politico Magazine, author, and "long-form writer."[2] He is the author of The Bidens: Inside the First Family’s Fifty-Year Rise to Power— a book on the life of U.S. President Joe Biden

I'm sure he has no agenda...

Pick one and start learning the truth

https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=jews+9%2F11&search_source=yacom_touch_common&lr=202&mda=0

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-23T04:04:31+00:00

You're aware of "Veterans Today" as one of the Kremlin's sources of misinformation?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/12/how-russia-targets-the-us-military-215247/

Oyveygoyim · 2024-08-23T03:44:13+00:00

This was put together in December 2010. It's a long read but worth it. It will definitely open up your eyes to what's been going on in Gaza.

https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/12/31/911-israels-grand-deception/

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-23T01:15:46+00:00

I want to keep the discussions here closely adhering to saidit values, so I have removed this post as it doesn't contain any evidence or reasoning.

Please feel free to re-comment with a source, or more detailed description of your evidence.

neolib · 2024-08-21T20:34:09+00:00

Previous discussion: https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/crr7/new_911_evidence_points_to_deep_saudi_complicity/

Questionable · 2024-08-21T14:43:42+00:00

Bad link.

ActuallyNot · 2024-08-17T08:16:24+00:00

Spoiler: The Cass Review has some very serious flaws. It avoids commons sense standards and accepted medical standards, as well as ignoring evidence to reach its conclusions.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-26T11:19:34+00:00

An infant is live born and younger than 365 days of age. Between 8 weeks after conception until birth is a fetus.

Fetus deaths aren't infant deaths.

That entire premise is flawed.

What's the premise?

Optimus85 · 2024-06-26T03:05:25+00:00

I'm assuming the study doesn't count abortions as infant deaths. That entire premise is flawed.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-26T01:42:29+00:00

Abortion is a sin.

There seems to be an increase in people claiming that. "Abortion is not a sin" is probably easier to argue using the bible as a reference.

Exodus 21:22 is the clearest verse determining that a fetus is not a person:

22 “When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-26T01:41:07+00:00

If you think abortion is murder, then this argument is absurd on the face of it.

The argument that infant deaths attributable to congenital anomalies has increased?

If someone has a fatal condition, it's not murder to put them through the suffering of a short and meaningless life, while increasing the grief, suffering and cost to the parents.

Or some other argument?

xoenix · 2024-06-25T21:57:33+00:00

If you think abortion is murder, then this argument is absurd on the face of it.

Scratch that, it's ridiculous in every sense. I don't understand why people would even argue this. Should've posted this in s/TumblrInAction.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-25T21:41:35+00:00

Infant deaths attributable to congenital anomalies increased 22.9 percent in Texas between 2021 and 2022 versus a decrease of 3.1 percent in the rest of the U.S. during the same period. Another divergent cause of death pattern in Texas was infant deaths from accidents, which increased by 21 percent in Texas versus a one percent increase in the rest of the U.S.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-20T23:09:54+00:00

Bullshit. That Russian collusion thing was all smoke and mirrors and the Mueller Report proved it.

I see you haven't read the Mueller Report.

Here's some of the key findings. Including:

Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”
Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.
In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President. Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.” A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.
The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.

These trials, conveniently all hitting just before the election, is truly election interference.

Trumps delaying tactics are the only reason that they're not finished with.

To tell people that if they vote for the other candidate, they're a threat to democracy is election interference.

If it's true, it should be said.

Hiding that you paid some hush money to a hooker is practically presidential in the case of Democrats.

What are you basing that on?

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-20T06:51:23+00:00

From this unanswered comment in Science Uncensored.

UncleWillard56 · 2024-06-13T14:28:12+00:00

Bullshit. That Russian collusion thing was all smoke and mirrors and the Mueller Report proved it. These trials, conveniently all hitting just before the election, is truly election interference. To tell people that if they vote for the other candidate, they're a threat to democracy is election interference. Hiding that you paid some hush money to a hooker is practically presidential in the case of Democrats.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-13T00:24:42+00:00

Only Biden actually committed crimes.

Election interference is a crime. In this case the consequences are quite serious. We had to endure 4 years of a Trump presidency damaging geopolitical relations, and resulting in the capture and death of our Human Intelligence sources.

UncleWillard56 · 2024-06-12T18:10:09+00:00

Exactly! Only Biden actually committed crimes.

ActuallyNot · 2024-06-12T06:28:11+00:00

Hunter Biden's son matters less. But it does seem as if he's got a very raw deal because he's Joe's son. But if you're dad isn't someone to abuse the presidential power of pardon, sometimes you get a raw deal just by being his son.

Trump committed many crimes to interfere with elections. I hope that these convictions stand. The concern is that if he wins the presidency he will now be in a position to halt the other federal investigations against him about the espionage and his attempts to overturn the election with the January 6 Capitol attack and the various fake electors schemes.

He will try to stop the state proceedings against him for the fake elector's scheme in Georgia, and will try to move against the Arizona, Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin investigations.

Drewski · 2024-06-11T21:32:36+00:00

They were both weaponized lawfare. Hopefully both make it to the Supreme Court and get overturned.

ActuallyNot · 2024-04-02T22:43:10+00:00

I presume Trump sorted the stock himself.

UncleWillard56 · 2024-03-13T18:26:48+00:00

That's it, let's interfere even more. That'll show the planet! Seriously, this is akin to BLM who uses racism to fight racism.

Questionable · 2024-02-14T03:11:43+00:00

Yep. Never now, always later. As it has been for the past 70 years.

Jiminy · 2024-02-12T17:04:44+00:00

Any day now

ActuallyNot · 2024-02-11T23:21:05+00:00

Paper up on arXive

BANG-BANG · 2024-02-11T23:20:16+00:00

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ActuallyNot · 2024-02-11T23:17:51+00:00

Interesting discussion in the comments at realclimate

The New, Scientist is the only media outlet so far who gives a quotation by van Westen himself that says that the drastic cooling of Europe is not realistic. See here:

“Unlike in previous simulations, the team added fresh water gradually, rather than in one go. This produced a positive feedback that amplified the effect: as less water sank because of the reduced salinity, less salty water flowed north, reducing salinity still further. This eventually shut down the overturning circulation, causing temperatures to rise in the southern hemisphere, but plummet in Europe. For instance, in the model, London cools by 10°C (18°F) on average and Bergen in Norway by 15°C (27°F). Other consequences include local sea level rises in places such the US East Coast. What’s more, some of the changes seen in the model ahead of the collapse correspond with changes being seen in the real Atlantic in recent decades.”

Then, this:

“However, to produce this collapse, the researchers had to run the model for 2500 years. And they had to add a huge amount of freshwater – less than in previous simulations, but still around 80 times more than is currently entering the ocean as Greenland’s ice sheet melts. “So that is absurd and not very realistic,” says van Westen.”

I wonder why no other media have covered this.

[Response: That refers to my point 4 above: in this model, like in most models, you need to add an unrealistic amount of freshwater, because they are in the wrong part of the stability diagram compared to what observational data imply. And the sentence by the journalist that they “had to” run the model for 2500 years is a misunderstanding: running the experiment very slowly is a choice, it is to trace the stability diagram near equilibrium, so the model experiment avoids rapid forcing changes (like the current anthropogenic warming) in order to stay always near equlibrium. That is the quasi-equlibrium method I pioneered in my 1995 paper as mentioned above. -Stefan]

ActuallyNot · 2023-12-15T05:40:18+00:00

Yes. The blame is put on the humans, to inflict guilt and shame.

You don't think the increase in greenhouse gasses related to human combustion of fossil fuels, and we're merely scapegoats?

What do you think is burning the fossil fuels?

The humans are the carbon.

The carbon is fossil fuels. You know humans aren't fossil fuels, right? The carbon in the biosphere doesn't need fossil fuel carbon to supplement it in any way. It goes through the carbon cycle perfectly fine, and nothing dies from lack of carbon.

But You already knew that, which is why I'm inclined to assume that you are playing dumb.

One of us seems to be.

Life got along fine for well over 3 billion years without supplementing the carbon in the biosphere by burning fossil fuels. Neither the carbon in our bodies nor that of our domestic cows and plants will be extracted and eliminated if we stop burning fossil fuels.

But surely you do know that? Climate science denial arguments are so dumb.

Questionable · 2023-12-15T05:21:20+00:00

Yes. The blame is put on the humans, to inflict guilt and shame. The humans are the carbon. But You already knew that, which is why I'm inclined to assume that you are playing dumb. ^'

ActuallyNot · 2023-12-15T03:14:30+00:00

You're trying to argue that without fossil fuels, all the carbon in the biosphere would disappear and all life would therefore be removed from the earth?

And you think a link to a journalist's write up of a paper looking at the greenhouse gasses in human breath makes that point?

The paper discusses methane and nitrous oxide, not carbon dioxide.

I'm inclined to assume that you know you're wrong.

Or do you think that for the past 4 billion years life has only been able to exist because some civilisation has been combusting fossil fuels?

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