Which of the Nine Satanic Sins do you believe in?

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[–]Gravi[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (39 children)

Reminder, I am in Europe and am unable to contact them nor am I interested in contacting them.

And also I've told in chat at least that I have no further interest in LaVey satanism except for some things that are interesting for me.

I shall read the Bible one day, but I do not deem it logical nor my source of ethics, I've formed my own that are a compilation of many experiences and other things.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I guess I misunderstood the above post then, I thought you were talking about a Satanic congregation. (There's various occult organizations present throughout Europe, so it wouldn't have surprised me.) Yes, a lot of priests want to be hip, that's why he may not have had an issue with it.

It's good that you've formulated your own rules for proper conduct. At the very least, read the Bible to become cultured. It's also great literature.

[–]Gravi[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Alright, I edited it a bit to make it more clear.

I haven't heard of any occult in my country.

I've got a lot of literature to read and I have some different bibles passed on to my mother, some newer, some about 100 or more years old.

[–]Alienhunter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's several breeds of satanist.

There's the occultist types doing goat sacrifices and what not. Who actually worship Satan directly.

There's the intellectual Satanists who see Satan as a liberation type figure and believe in the absolute supremacy of the self over any kind of god like authority.

And finally there's the primary group of satanists you see in modern culture, who are more a parody of religion than actual worshipers.

The thing is, while I fully support the idea of studying satanism, as with the tree of knowledge you must learn what evil is to be able to know what good is, all the various threads of it are for fools and idiots.

The literal satanists who actually believe in and worship Satan believe in and worship a lesser spiritual being whose existence is tolerated by god in the same way one may tolerate a gnat in their house until it's time to squish it. They are idiots.

The intellectual satanists who don't believe in god fail to see the purpose of the Satan allegory and the allegorical significance of god. Satan rages against the natural order of the world and is destroyed. We can as well rage against the physical reality of life to our own doom.

And finally while I can appreciate the parody of the final group making fun of the church, as indeed the church should be mocked where mockery is due, those kind of satanists take it far beyond the joke to the point they become the joke themselves.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The intellectual satanists who don't believe in god fail to see the purpose of the Satan allegory and the allegorical significance of god. Satan rages against the natural order of the world and is destroyed. We can as well rage against the physical reality of life to our own doom.

As usual you have it completely backwards. I can't believe how easily simply switching the labels can change someone's beliefs. Anyway there's a certain evil figure in the New Testament who rules over the world. Called "the god of this world" or "the ruler of this world". See if you can figure out who this god is.

Early Christians even believed in a figure known as the demiurge who either created or hijacked the creation. This is the god who had to be appeased with ransom, and he is also referred to with the term satan on a number of occasions. Yes satan is actually a term meaning "opponent", not a name. Obviously God does not have to pay a ransom to himself. And just take a look at the world and what you call the "natural order". It's fundamentally evil, rotten to the core. And you're worshiping that instead of following the golden rule?

[–]1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Morals come from wisdom. Wisdom comes from God.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Try Natural Law.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Natural law is demonic

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Natural law is demonic

1,000,000% BULLSHIT

It's fucking nature, and you just called all of your mythical god's creation demonic.

Try learning about it before you literally demonize it. Fucking retarded.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Nature is demonic and is run by the god of this world, who is also known as "Satan". This is what ancient Christians believed and it's in the New Testament. Why do you think all the pagans religions worship it? Now we're trying to flip the labels so Christians can be corrupt and well-meaning people will be tricked into doing the will of the devil.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

You're fucking retarded and so is the concept of "God".

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Nature existing by itself isn't logical.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Nature doesn't require that you understand it, nor do you need to, nor do you need a myth to.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It isn't possible though. The cause in any case is your perception.

[–]1Icemonkey 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The word of God is what is written in the Bible. Those writings are wisdom from which morality is born. Where in nature is the word of the creator and the wisdom and morality written?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Bullshit. I just wrote that. I am one of God's creations. God writes bullshit through his creations.

Look up Mark Passio Natural Law and learn something.

Fuck God.
Fuck authorities.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fuck natural law. Nature creates nothing but suffering.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Natural Law creates nothing.
Natural Law simply exists.

Life is not a bitch.
Life is not good.
Life is bittersweet.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Life is simply bitter. 99.9% of everything that's ever happened is bad.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Take more vitamin D.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the word of the Roman Catholic Church as of 382 AD is what is written in the Bible. Who gave them the authority to determine what the word of God is? In the Bible the דבר יהוה always comes to people, not from a book. And the Bible itself, in Jeremiah 7-8, says that the Torah, which is part of the Bible, has been corrupted or is even a complete forgery. So it literally calls itself corrupted. And since the Bible cannot be wrong, this MUST be correct.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I would recommend researching how it's been edited over the millenia. Because the differences may shock you. The reason the old testament is so horrible is the new simply hasn't had nearly as much time to be corrupted.

[–]Gravi[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Of course, that is one of the more interesting things I want to know, because it could not have been the same over so many years.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Torah and Paul are probably the worst. They're to the point where the majority of the content is forgeries.

[–]Gravi[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I could ask the priest to whose congregation I go to about it.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The priest isn't going to give you anything credible. 99.9% of Christians fall for something called Biblical inerrancy, the idea that the Bible is exactly the word of God without error. They completely made it up, and it's funny because the Bible itself says the lying pen of scribes tampers with it. The Bible was also created by Rome in the 4th century, not Jesus in the 1st.

[–]Gravi[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I asked him about it, he told me that god has also written the bible, thus it cannot be corrupted and also that he coordimated people to write it, so just as you said.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Show him Jeremiah 8:8. If he tries to deny that it's referring to our books of "Moses", show him Jeremiah 7:22. You must use an interlinear or a very literal translation here, because almost all Bibles alter this verse precisely because it's so damning to the concept of Biblical inerrancy. But it indeed has God denying that he ever gave commandments which are in the Torah! So there's no way around it, the Bible says the Bible is corrupt. And since the Bible can never be wrong, this HAS to be correct.

This is the kind of stuff they don't want you talking about and get mad if you do.