Well saidit... Does free speech still exist ? (Or not?) Explain your reasoning.

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[–]Musky 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

It exists as much as it ever did. You are able to say officially sanctioned statements as freely and often as one would like.

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    [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There are lots of furries, trannies, and pedos among powermods, but the only brony I'm aware of is LordeVinyl, the admin who ruined Digg and later got hired by The Scarlet Letter Administration of Chairman Pao at reddit, to help them ban dissidents.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I knew you would get emotional on this one because you're doing a fine job here.

    Compliments.

    [–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Attacking me is approved speech.

    [–]Canbot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    Doctors have lost thier licenses for speaking thier professional medical opinion. We are well within the dark age level of censorship. Just shy of the inquisition. So far, in the west, people are not being executed for thier speech. However, people have been jailed for speaking about the holocaust and others have had thier lives ruined over many disallowed views.

    If you try to preach Christianity in the middle east you will be executed. But that isn't new.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    Exactly, oddly enough, the US is the bastion of free speech. And at the same time free speech dosent exist.

    [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The US is the last oasis because of the first ammendment, but that is being circumvented by using corporations to implement the censorship instead of government.

    [–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Legally yes functionally no. If you doubt me start expressing your political opinions publicly and see how long you keep your job. You have freedom of speech, you don't have a right to employment. Unless you are too rich to care you don't have free speech.

    It's perfectly legal for me to fire you for your political opinions in most states. I can't fire you for being gay, I can't fire you for being a member of a church. But if you say I'm voting red or blue, I can fire you.

    Political identity is not a protected class in the US, I can just as soon fire you for being a Nazi as I can for you voting for Biden. I can go into the parking lot and use the bumper stickers on the employees cars as a basis for layoffs if I want.

    Freedom of speech? Freedom after speech? It's all a kind of public religious creed. A high political ideal that like most things is far abstracted beyond it's functional being. Americans get teary eyed and their voices quake when partaking in the public liturgy of our founding fathers freeeeedom and the like, they get angry and yell during the two minutes hate. What does it all mean in the end? What freedoms do you enjoy? Does the freedom to own a gun mean anything when the government can simply remove that freedom for any number of reasons, like saying you want to use it? Does it mean anything if someone else can simply shoot you to take it.

    Perhaps so, as the only true freedom is death.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I think you are repeating what he said.

    Corporations are circumventing free speech. Aka, you could get fired.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    An oasis is not a rainforest, it is the last tiny bit of life in a desert.

    [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    One often beset by bandits looking to waylay thirsty travelers.

    [–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    US have been murdering and jailing ppl for free speech and free thought for decades

    Thomas Philpott, Gary Webb, Michael Hastings, Jeffrey Epstein, JFK, Robert Kennedy, Fred Hampton, MLK, Malcolm-X, Gary Caradori, Deborah Palfrey, John McAfee, Max Spiers, Aaron Swartz, James Dolan, Udo Ulfkotte, Jenny Moore, Nancy Schaefer, Chester Bennington, Andrew Breitbart, Michael Ruppert, etc.

    You think they all just enjoy some suicide?

    Not to mention the legally silenced or imprisoned ppl for free speech violations like Manning, Snowden, Kiriakou, Assange, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hale, Terry Albury, etc.

    [–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    I am not sure if it a crime all over Europe, but in Germany, it is. I am not sure about the reasons but I guess it's like

    Nothing good will ever come out of denying the Holocaust

    It is extremely hurtful to survivors and in doubt we'll protect those.

    It is part and parcel of a larger anti-hate-speech legislation. You are not allowed to fly the nazi flag there either.

    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    I am not sure about the reasons

    To protect the lies. The only way to protect lies is with censorship. Only lies need censorship to be protected. The truth gets defended with facts.

    Nothing good will ever come out of denying the Holocaust

    Nothing good comes from lies. Knowing the truth is always good. Why should the German people continue to suffer under those lies? Why are Jewish people paid billions in reparations from Germany for this scam? No other group that was imprisoned in the camps gets reparations except jews.

    It is extremely hurtful to survivors and in doubt we'll protect those

    They aren't survivors, they are fraudsters. There is evidence that most of the people who claim to be survivors are liars. There is zero evidence required to claim you are a survivor. Jews use the holocaust lies to enrich themselves and hide behind when they are guilty of crimes.

    It is part and parcel of a larger anti-hate-speech legislation.

    Doesn't justify it one bit.

    [–]jacques1102 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    What part of the holocaust is a lie?To believe the holocaust is a lie,you'd have to believe millions of people were in on a conspiracy.Second even if you're one of those people that thinks jews are liars(for any reason other then hatred)what up Polish people?Why would they, the Polish, lie about that?Many Poles and all kinds of "undesirables" were slaughtered.Poles have no reason to support "a jewish lie".There are legit polish people who claim to have loved ones who were in the camps.Like i asked,why would they lie for jews?

    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    If you want the best answer to that question go ask the people on s/debatealtright. But the first thing you have to understand is that "holocaust denial" is not denying concentration camps, or that the war happened.

    It is very specific lies that have been proven by hard facts and disprove the official narrative of what happened.

    Facts like: all if the concentration camps were claimed to be execution camps. They were all claimed to have gas chambers. When these claims were investigated by the allies every single camp they had access to was proven not to have gas chambers. No mass graves were found. All the dead bodies can be tested and proven to have died from communicable diseases.

    However, half the camps were controlled by the soviet union, which was controlled by the bolshevic party that was 80% jews. They denied access to those camps for inspection. Only after many month did they reveal those camps, which now had brand new chimneys on the "gas chambers". They literally modified the camps to go along with the lies.

    These are provable fact that you can go to jail if you talk about in Europe.

    That is one lie out of thousands that can be proven and it already creates a wall of text that most won't read. The holocaust story is based on Jewish testimony with zero corroborating evidence. Many of thier claims are proven lies, and still what haven't been abandoned as absolutely retarded is defended as true by punishment of imprisonment.

    That is supper, supper fucked up.

    [–]jacques1102 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    First off no one said that all the camps were execution camps.No one said all of them had gas chambers. There were two main types of camps run by Nazi Germany, which is sometimes a source of confusion. Concentration Camps were well known means of extrajudicial control implemented by the Nazis shortly after taking power, beginning with the construction of Dachau in 1933. Political opponents of all type, not just Jews, could find themselves imprisoned in these camps during the pre-war years, and while conditions were often brutal and squalid, and numerous deaths did occur from mistreatment, they were not usually a death sentence and the population fluctuated greatly. Although Concentration Camps were later made part of the 'Final Solution', their purpose was not as immediate extermination centers. Some were 'way stations', and others were work camps, where Germany intended to eke out every last bit of productivity from them through what was known as "extermination through labor". Jews and other undesirable elements, if deemed healthy enough to work, could find themselves spared for a time and "allowed" to toil away like slaves until their usefulness was at an end.

    Although some Concentration Camps, such as Mauthausen, did include small gas chambers, mass gassing was not the primary purpose of the camp. Many camps, becoming extremely overcrowded, nevertheless resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of inhabitants due to the outbreak of diseases such as typhus, or starvation, all of which the camp administrations did little to prevent. Bergen-Belsen, which was not a work camp but rather served as something of a way station for prisoners of the camp systems being moved about, is perhaps one of the most infamous of camps on this count, saw some 50,000 deaths caused by the conditions. Often located in the Reich, camps liberated by the Western forces were exclusively Concentration Camps, and many survivor testimonies come from these camps.I'll even give source from non jewish people like Ricahrd J Evans book Third Reich Trilogy,Ian Kershaw book Hitler, the Germans, and the Final Solution and few others i can link.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    First off no one said that all the camps were execution camps.No one said all of them had gas chambers.

    They absolutely did.

    Some were 'way stations', and others were work camps,

    Bullshit. Where do you claim they were going after this "way station" and what proof is there of that? What products were produced in these work camps? The germans kept meticulous records of everything, where are the labor and production records?

    Censorship only protects lies. If you want to know who is lying look at who is censoring others.

    [–]jacques1102 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Literally from this site,it says there were labor camps; prisoner-of-war camps; transit camps; and camps which served as killing centers, often called extermination camps or death camps. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/concentration-camp-system-in-depth Where are you getting that all the camps were death camps?As for way stations. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-railways-and-the-holocaust

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That is what came out of the Nuremberg trials.

    Like I said I'm not the guy to argue with because I don't hoard evidence. But I have seen enough to draw my own conclusions. I have also seen evidence like yours get destroyed. It is claims like yours that don't make sense in the context of all the evidence. That is why your side needs to censor.

    It is the fact that you need to censor that truly proves your side is the side of lies.

    [–]jacques1102 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    See this is where i question if you're looking for truth or if you're someone that's already made up their mind and no matter what evidence i give you,you'll write it off as "jewish propaganda".I truly do not understand why people like you can believe that millions of people were in on a conspiracy theory to lie about the most documented event that happened, and even has non jewish people that were sent to the camps.What do you have to say about people like the poles who say the holocaust happened?Why would they support a "jewish lie"?If you have so much evidence that it didn't happened,why are holocaust deniers so afraid of debating historical experts on the subject?

    [–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think the argument is that they were prison/labour camps and once famine struck by the end of the war you had mass death from starvation rather than industrial murder. Then it gets used as a zionist political tool.

    Not saying I believe it for a second but that's the gist of the argument as I've understood from lurking on /pol/. Either way it's a disgrace and I don't think mass political movements are above active participation in genocide, Khmer Rouge being another example. Honestly this type of discussion makes me uncomfortable but it's good to know how people who disagree with you rationalise things.

    [–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Every time it seems to exist, the establishment finds a loophole around it. And nowadays since everyone goes through years and years of school, everyone is submissive and obeys all authority and society with unquestioning obedience, each generation even moreso than the last. Rights, privacy, freedom, dissent, etc. are increasingly seen as bad for that reason.

    [–]BISH 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Every time it seems to exist, the establishment finds a loophole around it.

    If you're an American. The solution to this problem can be found here.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BZqAOzRVerTl/

    It's verifiably true. I personally attest.

    It has changed me, as a person. Legally, and more importantly spiritually.

    I receive my Rights from God, and I know it.
    And the establishment slavers know it too.

    They are scared to death that the secret is out, and there's nothing they can do about it.

    The only way to change the world, is to change yourself.

    This WILL change you, if YOU have what it takes.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Technically, this problem is solved.

    But, I appreciate, where you're getting at.

    [–]Tarrock 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It exists on paper, but the government figured out that they can outsource your rights to corporations who don't have to allow them.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    All speech is free, although some speech is only free once.

    [–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In niche communities...

    [–]BISH 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Free speech exists as a right, for those Americans, with constitutional protections, of that right. And all of the rest.

    Most Americans are 14th amendment "citizens"; they have civil rights, which amount to nothing but the right to exist on the land (in jail, or otherwise).

    "There are none so helplessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free." -Goetha

    We were schooled. Still fooled.

    I was too.
    Like a BISH.

    "It ain't what I know that's killing me. It's what I know, that ain't so." -Mark Twain

    "WAS"

    The keys to unlock the American chains of bondage are free. You need to know where the lock is, and what the key looks like.

    [–]neovulcan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You've got as close to absolute free speech as you'll get, so long as you exercise it where no one will hear you (i.e. town square or middle of the forest).

    A step away from that would probably be 4chan, but you might actually reach the same amount of people as the middle of the forest, since reading through all that noise is a huge pain.

    A step away from that is probably Twitter since April 2022, when Elon Musk started shining a light. You either need followers or a well-placed comment, but if you're a real person, you can probably say what needs to be said.

    A step away from that is probably the Alex Jones show. Just like 4chan, you've got to watch so many bad interviews before you get one worth entertaining, and even then there's doubts.

    I guess it really depends on what you have to say and who you're trying to get to listen. Seems you can criticize any group of people here on Saidit, rightly or wrongly. What do you need to get off your chest?

    [–]layla456 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes! it is available for free but not for all. Meanwhile Enjoy

    [–]Adventurous_Ad6212 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Say what you want who gives a shit. I have more important things to worry about then someone else thoughts, and opinions.

    [–]TimothyMcFuck 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yup. Internet is so fucking regulated dude. I'm on my 6th reddit account and it's not even fun anymore

    [–]Bridgeheadprod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What precipitated this, eh?

    [–]passionflounder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Did free speech ever really exist?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I sincerely hope so.