Scott Ritter explains how the sick Nazis (Banderas, Azov) control Ukraine, with support of the CIA

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[–]Node 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

PMC Wagner Group

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I recently learned that they were formed with the unofficial military of the 4 provinces of Ukraine that are breaking away to join Russia (or to be independent). I had been wondering why Russia might use a PMC instead of their own troops, and the reason is this: by sending their own military, they would be in fact INVADING Ukraine. But the Wagner group is local to the Donbass and as such, are defending THEIR OWN territory. It is not a conquering force, nor is it actually a part of Russia.

So in fact it remains technically true that Russia never invaded the Donbass. Wagner is the Donbass defending THEMSELVES with support from Russia, similarly to Western Ukraine is attacking the Donbass with support from NATO. It's obviously very ugly and could be made to last for a long time, sadly.

[–]YoMamma 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

4 provinces of Ukraine that are breaking away to join Russia (or to be independent).

False. That's what Putin's tried to engineer since 2014. Now he's turned the area to rubble and has had his prisoner solders rape and turture and slaughter numerous people in Donbas, as has been confirmed with observers. Those provinces are Ukrain's and should remain Ukrain's.

I had been wondering why Russia might use a PMC instead of their own troops, and the reason is this: by sending their own military, they would be in fact INVADING Ukraine.

This is a good point - civilian-clothed, heavily armed (with artillary &c) soldiers have been pushed into Donbas since 2014, taking territory, taking the airports, at great cost to Ukrainians, and it was all part of an aproach to take Donbas and pronounce it Russian. The Russian military identities of those civilian-clothed Nazi scum invaders have been confirmed many times in the past 9 years. So you're right, they worked for Russia. Some on Saidit haven't read about this.

But the Wagner group is local to the Donbass and as such, are defending THEIR OWN territory.

Absolutely false. They are a diverse Russian mercenary group with headquarters in St Petersburg and have served in many conflicts. They're Nazi scum who are nothing more than hired thugs. They're the lowest form of subhuman one can think of. They are NOT native or local to Donbas. They are NOT defending anything of their own. Get your facts straight, Nazi scum (per your flag at DAR).

So in fact it remains technically true that Russia never invaded the Donbass.

Also absoutely false. Russia invated Donbas in 2014. Time for them to go.

Wagner is the Donbass defending THEMSELVES with support from Russia

Again, absolutely false. Read the facts. Get away from the children's games for a second and read the history.

similarly to Western Ukraine is attacking the Donbass with support from NATO.

Also false: ALL OF UKRAINE is defending itself by expelling Russian Nazi scum invaders. They've received some military AID from NATO.

It's obviously very ugly and could be made to last for a long time, sadly.

Unless Russians leave.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like you're all in with CNN. Your beliefs are contrary to reality.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know that the Wagner group is local to the Donbass, but I do know Ukraine accepted the nazi-narrative promoted by the US State Department to genocide ethnic Russians.

Ukrainians in the east began to dislike being murdered, and began to fight back, then separated from Ukraine after they invaded and began slaughtering civilians. That's probably when the little green men showed up to help defend them. Russia itself only went in after acknowledging their status as independent territories. Ukraine is the only invader in this situation.

Those torture-murder videos the Ukrainians published were pretty rough. elensky himself bragged (on video) about killing their schoolchildren who were too slow to make it to a basement before Ukrainian artillery killed them.

The cattle-people believe anything they read or see from "official news sources", so they cheer the torture-murders like the less-than-humans they are. Unfortunately, not all that uncommon among the new saidit users.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well they have a lot of people native to those breakaway republics in their ranks. They also have prisoners and people from various places around the world.