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[–]Jiminy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wow you just cracked the code

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just find out how gatekept by degrees the field you're interested in is. Otherwise college/university is for building personal contacts. Don't overspend. Colleges with work programs can keep you out of debt.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I went to college I worked in the computer lab, it helped pay for my tuition.

[–]GuyWhite 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To get a job as a chemical engineer, you will need a degree.

[–]passionflounder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is dangerous misinformation!

Everyone knows that everyone going to college is as important as a straw man argument is valid.

Besides, studies conclusively show and experts confirm that thinking that you are educated is more important than actually being educated. Trust the science.

[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

thinking that you are educated is more important than actually being educated

the opposite of this

[–]topiary2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People who unironically use the term misinformation are retarded. Dont give yourself away like that

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All my doctors are foreign trained pakis.

[–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

obviously not

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Liberal arts degree? Yes completely pointless. Highly specialized field like medicine, legal, or science, it's a necessity. A finance or business degree is needed if you want to get into stock trading or business management.

[–]TemporarilyDeceased 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only you can decide that. Calculate the total cost of a degree: tuition, books, room, boat, a bit extra. Then look at the projected earnings and determine if that cost is worth the payoff. If you think you'll be happier, it might be acceptable if you lose money in the deal.

Then compare that to your first choice without a degree.

[–]ExplodingToasterOven 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you can get a degree/knowledge someone will pay you for, sure..

However, there's many angles of attack. Skillshare, and various other online skills training, various online certificate programs, etc. For IRL learning, which is needed for some trades, community colleges are ok, just make sure you get the most bang for your buck, and aren't being sold on some kind of BS for profit scam college where you'll never be able to transfer credits to some other school.

Also be very very wary of some trades where they have in house training, that is non-transferable, yet they may try to claim you owe them X number of years to pay off all their special training. The answer to this is, "Oh fuck no!" Oddly enough, the military is probably THE WORST offender of all when it comes to skills learned vs what can transfer to the real world.

Another issue is what "type" of so called "job". If you're being "hired" on a 1099 contract, made to provide your own tools, and leave them in a facility controlled by the organization you work/contract for, you're on call after hours, as well as being told what time of the day you are to be there by, you have to train new people... Then you're not a 1099 contractor, you're an employee being scammed sixs way from sunday. And when they go bankrupt, probably after the company officers run off to Mexico with the remains of the any liquid assets, you'll be the ones trying to get the Sheriff to gain access to get your tools, and having to deal with angry customers and creditors trying to find out who where the fuck their money ran off to. You'll also likely find out the official payroll information submitted to the government is complete and utter BS as well.

The advantage of a "job" that's by the books, which provides you with enough cash as a visible means of support is, that 8-5(or whatever), 4-5 days a week, you've got your paycheck that's skimmed off by the govt, paid into health insurance, unemployment, and reporting a certain earning level to the scammy as fuck credit rating system. You've got say an associates in some random BS, accounting, programming, electrical tech, HVAC tech, health care, construction, whatever.

And then the rest of your time, you can spend on consulting work that's cash and carry. Electrical Engineering, programming, R&D, etc, etc. You can take payment in some form of currency you can store offshore, launder through a shell company that appears to be contracting you to do piece work, all sorts of wild and crazy shit. Day job, you make $50-70k a year, off the books work, you can probably make another $20-30k that you can conspicuously consume on something that is not state registered assets(cars, guns, property, housing). Assets you're saving/storing out and sight and out of mind of the usual financial channels, go crazy.

Once your break about $400-600k gross cash flow per year, PROBABLY time to start some kind of legit storefront, and get an accountant who's very skilled in "startup businesses" which might be short haul, and rapid burn rate. Once assets are depreciated down to nothing, that's when the fun and games starts. :D

Bits and pieces of the above, they sure as shit don't teach you that in school. And all this can be the difference between sink or swim in the first 10 years of your on the books profession, as well as your off the books professions.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes and no. Is what you actually learn worth the time, effort and expense? Probably not. But there are a lot more jobs besides doctor where it's a requirement, and more where it's considered desirable. So even though it can sometimes be considered an arbitrary roadblock, depending on where you want to go in your life, going through it may still be necessary to get there, unfortunately.

[–]topiary2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is a lot like going to the gym: You will get the most out of it if and only if you rigorously follow a reputable plan.

Ideally, search various jobs to get an idea of salary range, look at the educational requirements (if any), and then work backwards from there.

Aside from that piece of paper, you can also use your time there to practice various relevant skills: managing, leading, presenting, training, guiding, organizing, evaluating, etc.

It would be a better use of your time to build yourself up outside of the prescribed curriculum since any idiot can get a degree, but a safer bet is one who can demonstrate and adapt their expertise to various situations.

[–]newguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

College becomes less valuable with each passing year. I think in 1980 college was worth it. Now it's just a certificate factory with narrow ideologies

[–]ShoahKahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Frankfurt schools which today comprise the majority of all college 'education' in the U. S. and Anglopshere writ large, preclude anyone not wanting to become a moronic Marxist meme. from attending. In the U. S., where "college" is purely and unabashedly another "$y$tem of control" in the "Jewtrix" -- for miring suckers in life-long debt peonage -- only the most lobotomised cohort would piss some of the best and most formative years of their lives away in such gulags of gormlessness.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You get out of it what you put in.

If you want to learn a specialized skill and that's the best place to learn it, college is worth it.

If you want to build the beginnings of a professional network and you're good with people, college can be a great start to your career.

If you don't really want to go to college but your mom says you should go because otherwise you'll have to work a bad job... don't go. Just go into the workforce. College would be a waste of your time and money and energy.

[–]blackpilllife 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well it depends on wether or not going to college will be something your employer sees as important

[–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't plan on going beyond a bachelors, college is almost purely for networking and resume padding

[–]carn0ld03 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this point, I can confidently say I'm likely to get comparable medical advice from a crack dealer as a physician in a western country. Going to college is something you'll have to decide for yourself and it's very likely you'll have to first pursue a trade to provide you with a source of income that can survive economic instability.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well if you go to uni for a useless degree like art history, Communications or Culinary arts yes your wasting your time and might I add you can go to a tuition free college as I did and make very good money.

[–]gloomy_bear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Depends on what degree. I plan on getting a bachelors in agriscience and business administration once I have the money to be in as little debt as possible.