This is what happens when you let children create as many accounts as they want from the same IP. Saidit needs moderation now or it is dead. by 34679 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yo! The new crew just got here. they'll be active for a week or so, and then things will settle.

We've seen this happen (new extremely active groups) a couple of times, so I'm not concerned.

I welcome the new members. They're here for jokes.

Welcome to Saidit.net! by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Eliminate PizzaGate?!

Pedogate is a global crisis (PizzaGate is D.C.). Everyone should have easy access to this information. I agree that it's hideous, but that's the point. The public needs to be aware of this ongoing disaster, and be able to recognize the signs.

The reason it's unpopular is all of the MSM flack. Please don't suppress information.

YouTube announced Wednesday it would ban videos promoting or glorifying racism and discrimination as well as those denying well-documented violent events. by Robin in Internet

[–]Tom_Bombadil 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're exactly like those who you condemn.

I love you guys by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate what you have done here.

You and d3rr have my respect.

Saidit is becoming an echo chamber by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

My guess is that those posts are from Eglin, or Tel Aviv.

They've started to make a move. On a positive note, this suggests that Saidit is a credible enough information threat to finally take seriously.

You should start your own sub that is dedicated to crossposting this kind of crap. This would be useful to the community, by creating a community reported log of these shenanigans.

Name the sub, "Tel Aviv to suck my Eglin".

There, I Saidit!

Why is drinking poison so popular? Are most people just that miserable? by EndlessSunflowers in whatever

[–]Tom_Bombadil 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Drugs be fun, but don't to meth or opioids.

Some of life's most creative thoughts and expressions were drug-inspired.

It's not all bad. The real problem is the feelings of hopelessness, which transforms recreation into addiction.

Remember the mice community-paradise/drugs experiment. When presented the choice, the mice went with the community.

People do the same, when given the opportunity.

Saidit is terrible by BluteNacht in whatever

[–]Tom_Bombadil 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Many of the "far right" subjects are actually closer to mainstream opinions, but are downvoted by bots (censored by marginalization), or censored outright.

Fraudulent material is rarely censored. Misinfo creates public confusion, and is a useful tool for social control.

People should want to know information that it's being withheld from the public, and why...

Welcome to Saidit.net! by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I apologise for being overbearing.

Please understand that I have an anti censorship bias.

Everyone is free to unsubscribe from any given sub.

Unfortunately, there are important ideas/facts in many subs that most people would never come across if they have no exposure.

My underlying assumption is that you are opposed to censorship, as well. Right?

The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE..... by Void in The_Donald

[–]Tom_Bombadil 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edit: Also, I'm far from anti Trump. Trump deserves tremendous praise for cancelling the TPP. Any other candidate would have signed that treaty.

Trump is most pro-Israel president since Truman, says political analyst

Trump: ‘I don’t believe’ Israel is spying on US

Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital and Orders U.S. Embassy to Move

Israel renames Golan Heights town "Trump Heights" in honor of U.S. president

Israel announces new Golan Heights settlement named 'Trump Heights'

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced a new settlement in the Golan Heights named after his "great friend" Donald Trump

Netanyahu praises Trump for recognizing Israel control of Golan

In his speech at the White House on Monday, Mr Netanyahu compared Mr Trump to historic non-Jewish leaders who had made "proclamations" on behalf of Jews.

Cyrus the Great founded the first Persian empire in 550BC. Lord Balfour is a former British prime minister who, as foreign secretary in 1917, announced Britain's support for a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. Former US president Harry S Truman recognised Israel's independence in 1948.

Trump tweets lavish praise saying Israeli Jews love him like 'the King of Israel' and 'the second coming of God'

The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE..... by Void in The_Donald

[–]Tom_Bombadil 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're in the middle East fighting wars for Israel.

Trump is pretty cozy with Israel, so this is an interesting tweet.

I wonder how Trump really feels about this issue...

Props to Josh at kiwifarms for giving 0 fucks. by useless_aether in censorship

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I respect that man.

Popular sub fighting for Free Speech on Reddit gives in to Reddit's censorship by MrRubberDucky in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It might be a decent time to head over there and plug Saidit. There's a decent chance that Reddit alternatives could get massive up-votes given the temporary outcry. Why let another crisis go to waste?

Also, I think he's burning down the house in an attempt to get the some smoke on the frontpage. A valiant effort, but it will be lost on most.

It will be interesting to see if the dam breaks when they go IPO.

There could be a flood of new folks over here. Or Reddit may censor Saidit references, and the like.

They're in the psychological warfare business of thought control, so I wouldn't put it past them. :-/

Edit: Freespeechwarrior should be invited to join us at Saidit.

He may know of other enlightened individuals who are also seeking refuge.

PSA: We all fell for an obvious lie. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, it looks like the bill that /u/Orangutan had posted had already passed into federal law on 1/14/2019.

H.R.672 - Combating European Anti-Semitism Act of 2017

Even if you disagree about this particular example, surely you agree in principle that lying about important things is bad, and that we should be checking for and calling out these lies.

This is the bill passed into law.

Combating European Anti-Semitism Act of 2017

This bill requires the Department of State to include in its Annual Report on International Religious Freedom information about each European country where there have been particularly significant threats or attacks against Jewish persons or institutions. The report shall include information about the security needs of such Jewish communities, U.S. efforts to partner with European law enforcement agencies and civil society groups, European public awareness initiatives to promote pluralism and tolerance, and efforts by European governments to adopt and apply a working definition of anti-Semitism.

This US law is designed to monitor alleged anti-Semitic activity in Europe.
However, it doesn't protect any other minority groups. Nothing about Arabs, Persians, Slavic, Hispanics, African, Asian, etc.

Why is the Congress passing laws requiring the US State Dept to monitor alleged activity in multiple countries in Europe?

The law exclusively benefits the Jewish community, while leaving out all other groups.

I didn't find any info that was false.

This is part of a larger Israeli campaign. Guns and Butter Podcast: The Global Campaign to Criminalize Criticism of Israel. Everyone should listen to this important and informative podcast.

Israel is attempting to criminalize criticism of it's actions. The media isn't discussing this.

Thanks, u/HopeThatHalps, for spotting this when we were all taking the doctored screenshot at face value.

*Thanks, Wizzwizz for indentifying another character (HopeThatHalps) who is apparently involved in this Israeli campaign, and actively monitoring Saidit.

We'll be sure to keep an eye on HopeThatHalps, as well..

Also, thanks Wizzwizz for another bungled PSA, and for outing yourself and your motivations/intentions.

we should be checking for and calling out these lies

Agreed.

cc:
/u/Magnora7
/u/d3rr

PSA: Our site culture is dropping. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shills can disproportionately out vote ideas they are paid to suppress, while impartial voters who haven't been exposed to quality evidence are influenced by the shills.

Deviating from basic voting methods can be exploited by parties who have an interest in seeing the public uninformed.

Bombshell! As Promised, Assange Dumps ALL Wikileaks Files – Here They Are! by HeyImSancho in SundogsPlace

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

American media has been frightened away from publishing WikiLeaks material.

Also, this is the type of post where the Shills will forum slide and try to hijack and interesting comments.

PSA: Read the comments before you vote! by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an interesting statement.

One thing that I respect about SaidIt, is that it doesn't have a downvote.
This is a crucially important feature, because it prevents nefarious agents from suppressing popular ideas that resonate with many people.
Ideas are dangerous to those who benefit from the status quo.

The main methods of controling information in up-vote only forums are:

  • Controlling the terms of a debate through the comments section
  • Forum sliding (also controls the debate)
  • Vote reduction
  • Vote/voter influence/suppression
  • Others?

Please make suggestions to this list if you are aware of other methods of manipulation

Some may have noticed that I comment here regularly. I read many submissions, videos, articles, and other people's comments.

I haven't noticed any SIGNIFICANT inaccuracies in any submissions. However, I could have overlooked something.

Has anyone else noticed any inaccurate submissions?

I find any encouragement by others to change their voting preferences to be extremely suspicious.
Well intentioned, or otherwise.

As the SaidIt community grows, we should expect outside agencies to take notice of this site.

These groups will attempt to influence members behavior in various ways; always under the guise of well-intentioned recommendations.

My two cents.

4chan, 8chan and Voat banned in Australia by Greedeater in censorship

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Australia's been eagerly waiting for this.

I'm surprised by New Zealand's reaction.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Spouts His Insane Anti-Vaxxer Conspiracy Theory in Measles Hot Zone by Orangutan in conspiracy

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Pacific Northwest is in the grips of a measles outbreak that has already sickened 52 people in Washington and four in Oregon, nearly all of them children. Health officials say the spread of the highly contagious disease—which had been all but eradicated in the United States—is being fueled by parents, sometimes with the approval of their doctors, who refuse to immunize their children.

Measles is not a deadly disease. It's very similar to chicken pox. Do you know of anyone who has died of chickenpox? Me either.

It actually boosts your immune system for your entire lifespan. I would have no problem contracting measles of given the chance.

Having a 2 week fever would suck. But with plenty of vitamin A, I would be fine and immune boosted for life.

Saidit, what if we showed who voted on everything? by magnora7 in AskSaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds great. I've been wondering who the hell is voting for that MartinTimothyesque bullshit.

However, Froglich hates that idea.

Edit: I have changed my mind. Does anyone know what the Reddit rationale was being leaving vote counts anonymous. I'd be concerned about a future big brother crackdown where voting info could be used as evidence against someone.

Here's some historical situations that may be similar in nature to a future event.

  • Red scare McCarthy-era. People were targeted as anarchist, or socialist, or people who might vote for "socialist proposals"
  • The 9/11 Muslim hysteria where thousands of Muslims were rounded up and jailed for as many as 6 months without probable cause, or any evidence
  • There was a hunt for anonymous a while back, so dissident programmer types may draw additional scrutiny.

The last 2 were within the past two decades in the US, so that's not ancient history. Who knows what other events occurred in other countries.

Up-votes may actually be more risky than actual comments. My guess is that up-votes would be manipulated as metadata. Prosecutors can create broad assumptions about intent, and there's no way to easily clarify that intent, or refute it. They'll use one-sided gotcha questions like, "have you quit beating your wife yet, yes or no?". That can catch people off guard and sunk their defense.

I'm going to have to agree with OldManCorley on this one. There are unforseen risks that could easily outweigh the short-term benefits.

Intentional sabotage cannot be ignored forever. Certain agent provacatuers do need to be addressed. Other groups have already taken the lead on this, and dealt accordingly.

One idea I had was to create one of those bots that chime in with "and my axe", etc. A custom version could be created to haunt the posts of certain repeat offenders.

Something like:

"Free speech is not a core value, when it is apples solely to statements that an individual approves. Free speech is a value when it is defended for those who use their voice to make statements that that one despises. Saidit supports free speech in all forms.

Unfortunately, certain groups or individuals have been posting comments that we cannot find any factual evidence to support. Attempts have been made to contact these individuals, but without success.

These voices have not been silenced in the interest of our commitment to free speech as a value. Saidit does not condone or endorse messages or the message history of {agent provacatuer XYZIJK}.

Please use your own critical judgment when considering messages from XYZIJK; AND MY AXE!!!.

-There I SaidIt!

Just a thought. What does the group think?

One last point of consideration. Dissent voices should be carful considered.
Good call OldManCorley. You changed my mind.

Hey Froglich. You suck.

Edit 2:. I didn't read the updated comment before the previous edit. I agree with major that ignoring bullshit is the best way to deal with most commenting issues. Organizational sabotage is an entirely different issue.

Also, if implemented, can we call the 'my axe' response "the moat/sewer of debate" or "sewer of the pyramid" or "sewer of disgrace". Free speech Bot, or "free speech defender", or sumpting.

Reddit pulls a YouTube - /r/911truth quarantined as misinformation, government info added by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yea. Trust the govt. What a joke.

"Oh dear... AI models used to flag hate speech online are, er, racist against black people" by Robin in technology

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It all boils down to the subtle differences in language. African-American English (AAE), often spoken in urban communities, is peppered with racial slang and profanities.

Even the article is racist.

The Reddit Admins are now removing comments on /r/conspiracy that question "official" historical events by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The Reddit Admins are now removing comments on /r/conspiracy that question "official" historical events

Hmm... Sounds like a conspiracy...

Found this site from certain subs criticizing what Reddit has become. I don't like hate speech but I also don't like people censoring speech because it's contradictory to progress on giving people rights. Thanks for creating Saidit! by NerfThis in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wish people would realize that there's a line between removing what's needed and just removing everything that doesn't fit your viewpoint.

So you're advocating for partial censorship?

Who should get to decide what is acceptable?

David Icke Making Sense for Once in His Life by hennaojisan in Israel

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw this on 153 and thought there same thing.

Edit: I don't know much about the sabatean Franks, but I do know that traditional Judaism is far from what's being practiced by the Zionist elite.

Many in the Jewish community are concerned, and justifiably. The Jewish community in the US is overwhelming in opposition to Zionism.

They should be reminded that they can count on us for support.

Cloudflare terminates service for 8chans by Ian in Internet

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Booo Cloudflare!!!

Shame on you!

/r/SethRich is banned. Just a reminder. by x0x7 in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well, of course it is.

Couldn't have that sub go unmoderated, could they?

Corporate Reddit, is garbage.

Pedogate researcher has 27 minute dead-man switch youtube video after being murdered by magnora7 in corruption

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another fallen hero. :-(

The pedogate sub should have a wall of suicided heros.

This Is MORE High Profile Than You Realize(Jeffrey Epstein) by Optimus85 in conspiracy

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The video states that the prosecuting lawyers feel that Trump had helped their case more than anyone else has.

This is probably another reason the media will attempt to discredit Trump.

Sage wisdom from our favorite socialist.... by howardlong75 in The_Donald

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The current system is already socialist... For the wealthy..

Tax breaks, handouts, bailouts, giveaways, subsidies, etc... Risks for the wealthy are socialized. They get bailed out.

Everyone else lives in a rigged free-for-all jungle; where we are allowed to fight for the crumbs.

/r/The_Donald has been quarantined. by r721 in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think Trump will win again in 2020.

‘Yellow Vests’ protesters take to streets of Paris for 30th weekend in a row by salvia_d in conspiracy

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

30 weeks is insane! Still not a peep from the MSM.

I can't bear to watch any superhero movies since they are all very retarded by Snow in Movies

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I like superhero movies.

I also like that someone else is still using the word retarded.

Protracted conversations about superfluous movies is also retarded.

thousands of reddit creeps coming out of the wood work to advocate parents to buy their 12 year old a sex toy. by poestal in MeanwhileOnReddit

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For the sake of the argument let's consider your argument in a different context.

If a suicidal person posts a question about whether or not they should commit suicide, should people be criticised for advocating for suicide if they believe that is the correct course of action?

Would you consider condemning this advice justifiable?

Are you suggesting that mob-rule morality is a viable source for advice?

PSA: Our site culture is dropping. by wizzwizz4 in SaidIt

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ranked voting is a slippery slope.

Saidit keeps getting nonsense frontpage generalizations about liberals so I thought I'd help balance it out with some Conservative Paradise by EndlessSunflowers in conspiracy

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They didn't have defined borders. They were continually expanding.

They did have universal healthcare.

They also supported gun control.

New Zealand bans terror suspect's racist manifesto; citizens told to 'destroy any copies' by HeyImSancho in SundogsPlace

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They could be trying to beta test the weaponization of the Streisand effect. Attempt to measure the extent that how allegedly sensitive/contraband material spread, etc.

It strikes me as odd that this attempt is being made to censor/suppress a live streamed event that is certain to be viral; when everyone knows that it impossible to actually suppress.

Imagine if "leaked" footage or documentation about the existence is aliens or some pandemic disease was circulating. TPTB would definitely be interested in the methods of circulation etc in the preceding years/months. This info world be indispensable in formulating a strategy.

Also, locking down New Zealand may be an early milestone in their planning. It seems to be a likely destination for elite peppers, etc.