Covid is still a hoax, people.

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[–]LarrySwinger2 57 insightful - 2 fun57 insightful - 1 fun58 insightful - 2 fun -  (35 children)

If you agree that there is a disease, it's misleading to call the entire thing a hoax. "Exaggerated" or "a psy-op" are better descriptions.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 34 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

The idea that it's a pandemic superbug is the hoax.

The hoaxes are the media productions, and hospital stagings, masks, etc.

Hoaxes abound.

[–]Aureus 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (30 children)

I agree that the media is hyping it up, and the lockdowns are terrible for the economy. But there is literally no cost in social distancing or wearing a mask.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

The cost is sacrifice of freedom.

Also, many are terrified because they think it's a highly lethal superbug.

It's a PsyOp to have the public demand a hoax vaccine.

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

it's a highly lethal superbug.

My healthy eighteen year old went from a rower training for a marathon to having pneumonia and so much difficulty breathing we had to call ambulance. She's never even been particularly I'll with flu since she was a baby.

I've seen what it can't do first hand. This is way worse than flu, my health is pretty dicey and I want a sodding vaccine. There's a real risk it could kill me.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is way worse than flu, my health is pretty dicey and I want a sodding vaccine. There's a real risk it could kill me.

The flu has been pretty serious in the recent past, as well. 650,000 confined deaths from influenza in the 2017-2018 flu season.

There's a very real risk the vaccine could kill you, as well. Every previous vaccine for this has been a failure.

The handful of versions that made it to animal testing ultimately killed all of the animals the next time they encountered CV.

Relying on the safety of fastracked vaccine that hasn't been fully tested is an unacceptable risk; given the low fatality rate of CV 19.

It's a serious gamble.

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never said I wanted a fast tracked vaccine. I'm as lary of that anyone else.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are fastracking all of the coco vaccines.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Listen, NOBODY is denying that there are SOME PARTICULAR fringe cases in which an otherwise inoffensive virus has dire consequences. Hell, some people die from eating fucking PEANUTS. I'm sorry about your kid going through rough times, I really am. But it's not because EXTREMELY RARE cases become serious that there has to be a so-called "vaccine", which have never done anything for human health to begin with.

Even Pasteur himself, who freaking INVENTED vaccines said on his death bed, "Tell Béchand I was wrong and he was right: the milieu is everything and the pathogen is insignificant". What does allopathic medicine do? Ignore the wisdom of one of its own greatest visionaries... BECAUSE PROFIT COULD BE HAD FROM DOING SO.

[–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Vaccines are risky in general, and sometimes more deadly than the disease they're meant to prevent. And regardless, there isn't a vaccine right now. I recommend looking into other options such as exposing yourself to sunlight regularly, not isolating yourself (so as to keep your immune system intact), and taking Vitamine D pills.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

sometimes more deadly than the disease they're meant to prevent

That's utter bullshit.

[–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No it isn't. See this paper, which examines the effects of DTP, a vaccine against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. From the conclusion:

DTP was associated with 5-fold higher mortality than being unvaccinated. No prospective study has shown beneficial survival effects of DTP. Unfortunately, DTP is the most widely used vaccine, and the proportion who receives DTP3 is used globally as an indicator of the performance of national vaccination programs. [...] All currently available evidence suggests that DTP vaccine may kill more children from other causes than it saves from diphtheria, tetanus or pertussis.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/dtp/statement112002/en/

Analysis of the WHO-sponsored studies is now complete. All the studies show reduced mortality rates in the children vaccinated with all of the vaccines. In particular, the studies showed no negative effect of DTP vaccination and no difference was found between males and females.

The Committee concluded that the evidence is sufficient to reject the hypothesis for an increased non-specific mortality following vaccination.

You're also not taking into account the lives saved by not getting these diseases. For example, mortality from diphtheria is about 20% in the under fives.

So the vaccination is nowhere near as dangerous as the disease

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have serious doubts about the reliability of WHO-sponsored studies, but even if it is reliable: those researchers simply came to a different conclusion, but that doesn't do anything to address the findings of the paper I linked to. You cited a paper from 2000, while I cited one from 2017. We know more now, so the 2017 one is much more relevant.

[–]72ndGender 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% agree. Every time we give a little more freedom, the rulers raise the bar on how much they will go after next time. No one cares about constitutional limitations of the government, apparently.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I live in Asia and I cannot believe the carry-on in the US over wearing a mask? We masked up and you only have to look at the numbers to see it worked. Compare Asia to Europe and the US. Can't believe Americans crying, "Its my right as a Murican to breath germs all over people during a global pandemic. Something, something, bald eagles!"

[–]noice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The latter half of this comment is a straw man. May have been effective on Reddit, but not here.

Correlation does not equal causation. The science on the effectiveness of masks is not settled, and I think people in the US are questioning everything about the entire COVID narrative, because many things are NOT adding up.

Psychological, sociological effects are what I'm concerned about.

'Please wear a mask because you might have some hidden killer virus on your breath without even knowing it.' Think that's a good thing to sustain?

'look at Asia, they wear masks' - Yeah, and their cultures are not like the West. They're glad to not have interactions with people throughout the day; a big part of mask-wearing in those cultures is to keep people away, similar to having headphones in on public transport.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They're glad to not have interactions with people throughout the day; a big part of mask-wearing in those cultures is to keep people away, similar to having headphones in on public transport.

Errrr, I dont know whether to laugh or cry at your ignorance here. If you think people in Asia don't have interactions with people in the day, I am pretty sure you have never been to any Asian country. Bloody hell, only an American would say something like this. Fuck.

Anyway, its no skin of my nose. The evidence is mounting that COVID causes serious lung damage in a lot of survivors. I am sad for Americans, but I live in a place where it has been very well controlled. We have had less cases in total than the Americans are getting in a day, all of Asia has.

[–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Don't need to be patronizing to me and call me ignorant and my thoughts laughable. The culture of mask wearing in asia is something I have read about prior to this pandemic. I will try to find a link to similar stuff.

I never said that people in asia don't have interactions. I said that the culture of mask-wearing is similar to that of having headphones in.

Edit: here's the link. Call me ignorant again for reading about things that interest me over many years.

https://www.weexpats.com/asian-face-masks-why-do-asians-wear-masks/

And an excerpt, for the lazy:

The most curious of all is that face masks are popular with younger generations because they act as a firewall from society, much like headphones. Studies have shown that many youths wear masks as a way to avoid interacting with society, or as a barrier from society to interact with them. In a world where interaction is done more often through social media, avoiding social interaction can be welcome.

Also, many women slip on a mask when they want to dash out to the store for something quick without having to put on makeup. Other Asian women wear masks as fashionable accessories, with specific masks that match their own outfits. Therefore, it has become a convenient way to look and feel attractive, while staying modest with one’s face hidden in a culture that values modesty without repression.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your ignorance (and borderline racism) is in saying people in Asia are happy not to interact with each other in the day. It is just so bloody ridiculous. Yes, mask wearing when unwell is a part of the culture which us why everyone masked up when the pandemic hit, and look at Asia compared to the US and Europe.

[–]noice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hahahahaha

Yeah, talking about culture is racist... ...

Read the article

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Racist is saying Asians don't interact with each other in the day.

I don't know if it's even racist as much as dead set one of the silliest things I've heard since the beginning of the pandemic. Look, you are obviously very young, so I'm going to leave it, but don't make sweeping statements about people when you have no idea what you are talking about because, if nothing else, you just look a fool. Take care

[–]sodomytron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

put your muzzle on slave

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No cost?

[–]Iam1ofMany 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a huge cost. Business are unable to operate at full capacity. I can't imagine being a restaurant owner right now. They were probably already working on slim margins but now they can open but only half the people can come in that could before. You still have to pay for AC/heat, pay for lights, pay for the building, and all the other things that can't really be cut to stay up and running but have half the business. There is a huge cost in social distancing... the mask is a separate thing.

[–]IsraelDid911 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is literally a huge cost for businesses by mandating social distancing.

[–]ItchMcConnell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are huge psychological costs in treating everyone around you like they are plague carriers. There are huge psychological costs in being treated like you are a plague carrier everywhere you go. There are huge psychological costs from not being close to people, not embracing ones we care about. Also they destroyed the economy without Corona and are blaming the virus to deflect any culpability.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even I would say it is a "superbug." Just about 1% of Americans caught it. That's pretty impressive. Can you think of any other virus that infected 1% of the US?

Given that, you make some good points.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even I would say it is a "superbug." Just about 1% of Americans caught it. That's pretty impressive. >

My understanding of a superbug is a transmittable pathogen with significant risk (multiple percentage points) of high consequence outcomes (fatality, permanent disability, etc.)

Many people get the common cold on a yearly basis (double digit percentages), and it's not a superbug.

Can you think of any other virus that infected 1% of the US?

The common cold.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right that COVID-19 is a low-risk bug.

The common cold.

The common cold is not one virus; it is a collection of many viruses which are a part of the same family.