Would a hydrogen burner be more efficient than an electric stove? by happysmash27 in Hydrogen

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Would hydrogen stoves be more efficient though? What if the hydrogen is generated from electricity? Would it be more efficient or less efficient than a pure electric stove? What if the electricity was converted to hydrogen for storage anyway?

Great questions, some answers can be found by reading the studies done for the H21 Leeds Citygate Project in the UK from Northern Gas Networks

Northern Gas Networks H21 Leeds Citygate Project: The H21 Leeds Citygas project is a study with the aim of determining the feasibility, from both a technical and economic viewpoint, of converting the existing natural gas network in Leeds, one of the largest UK cities, to 100% hydrogen.

382 page study (PDF)
https://www.northerngasnetworks.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/H21-Report-Interactive-PDF-July-2016.compressed.pdf

It is interesting to note that before the North Sea Natural Gas fields came online in the 1960's, Britain used "Town Gas" which was ~50% hydrogen.

Japan to power fishing boats with Toyota’s hydrogen fuel cells by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Their whaling policy is terrible and should have been stopped years and years ago. Many Japanese people do not endorse this despicable industry. Meanwhile, US Drones hover over cities in the Middle East, sometimes dropping bombs on wedding parties and/or funerals.

Scottish wind farm paid £96m to switch off. "Compensation payments of more than £500 million have been made to wind farms to switch off turbines over the past eight years, the latest figures show." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Bjørn Eng @H2Bjorn: Compensation payments of more than £500 million have been made to wind farms to switch off turbines over the past eight years.

A new monthly record was set in September this year, when £28,434,560 was paid out.

H2 will be the next big thing.
https://twitter.com/H2Bjorn/status/1075878632206295040

P2G: How to store excess wind power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_EjR7zgu8

Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May quit studio car shows after 17 years by Chop_Chop in BritishTV

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It was a great show, so I don't share your view.

The green hydrogen revolution has started, and it won't be stopped by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Stan Meyer was using hydrogen generated on board the vehicle in the vehicle's internal combustion engine. There is more to exactly what he was doing that involved resonance but I don't know very much about it.

Most of today's hydrogen tech uses hydrogen in fuel cells, which have no moving parts (except fans to blow air and H2 through the stack). No combustion with fuel cells, just a chemical reaction.

Greek physicist Petros Zografos is doing something like Stan Meyers did, PBS broadcast a segment on him and then pulled it, saying they should have been more "skeptical".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXHWentESoA

More about the pulled PBS segment: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-3178-post-9252.html

These guys are (or were, in Stan's case) on to something, I'm convinced. The Wiki page on Stan's death is interesting. This tech will disrupt a huge chunk of the status quo so it isn't surprising that there are shenanigans going on.

The green hydrogen revolution has started, and it won't be stopped by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Safety is important! Compressed hydrogen isn't like a bomb, the hydrogen needs oxygen to ignite. So if one of these cars crashes or gets rear ended it's not like an explosion will take out a city block or anything like that. Testing shows that hydrogen cars are generally as safe or safer than gasoline or diesel vehicles because escaped hydrogen floats into space at 45 MPH, whereas gasoline or diesel forms a puddle and if it ignites, there's a serious fire.

Article on a test done some years ago comparing gasoline and hydrogen leaks:

EV World: Hydrogen Car Fire Surprise
Video documents results of hydrogen and gasoline car fires.

On a dark Florida night in 2001 an unusual and revealing experiment took place. Dr. Michael Swain with the University of Miami at Coral Gables attempted to simulate two car fires, one created by a 1/16th inch puncture in a gasoline fuel line, the other by a leaking hydrogen connector. He video taped the experiment to document what would happen if the leaks ignited. As the photos below clearly demonstrate, consumer fears about hydrogen as a transportation fuel would seem to be pretty much unfounded.more: http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=482

Direct Link to Fuel Leak Simulation Study (PDF)
http://evworld.com/library/Swainh2vgasVideo.pdf

Hydrogen is safer than propane, if propane leaks it sinks and collects, waiting for a spark.

Toyota shot a 50 calibre bullet at their hydrogen tank during testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVeagFmmwA0

Why Scotland is leading the way in renewable energy and what we can learn from it by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why is Scotland leading the UK in renewable energy? | ITV News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDLszpu89qw

Business Matters: Towards a hydrogen economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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the storage of H2 was difficult since the H molecule is so small that it can penetrate steel and cause it to become brittle.

The embrittlement problem is somewhat overstated. Consider that US H2 Pioneer Mike Strizki (in Hopewell, NJ) has stored hydrogen in old propane tanks since 2005, see his website here He gives tours, if you can get him on a good day and convince him that you will get him some exposure you might get it free. He sometimes answers his phone (listed on his website), or email him.

Before the North Sea natural gas fields came online in the 1960's, Britain and other countries used "Town Gas" which was ~50% hydrogen. The pipes could handle this without leaking the gas all the time.

Now Leeds, UK is planning to inject H2 into the city gas lines. Appliances will have to be converted (usually no more complicated or expensive than converting a natural gas appliance to run on propane). See this. The Northern Gas Network study covers embrittlement.

The carbon fibre tanks that store hydrogen in Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes cars aren't affected by embrittlement.

I had not considered the tremendous demand for power that EVs would put on the system

Another thing many have not considered is that if you need to charge your battery EV and you finally get to a charger and there's a line, you're going to be there for longer than 30-45 minutes. You might be there 3 hours. Who has 3 hours to waste, waiting for a charge? A hydrogen station can fill from zero to ~300 miles of range in ~5 minutes. Throughput is important. One hydrogen dispenser can theoretically fill 12 cars per hour.

Australia’s National Hydrogen Roadmap by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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we'd like to give more presentations to civic groups. Do You happen to know of a "presentation in a can" that we could use to further our cause?

If you haven't seen him yet, Stan Osserman in Hawaii does a weekly hydrogen show on Think Tech Hawaii and they are on Youtube. He's one of the top hydrogen experts in the world. Here's the Think Tech Hawaii channel, search Osserman also search hydrogen - some titles don't include his name.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThinkTechHawaii/videos

Here is one of his best, IMO- he talks about the Millennium Reign self contained hydrogen dispenser, it is expensive now ($130,000) but the cost will be decreasing soon. And as Stan says, it is a complete fueling solution- no Saudi Arabia, no oil tankers, no refineries, no transport and all the dollars stay local. It is a paradigm shift that will change the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32BLZssoNo

Thanks for keeping the articles coming

Thanks again for the interest, I'd post more but being new here I'm kind of trying to go a bit slow so as not to be thought of as a spammer. There are lots more articles here.

Just some trivia, and an example of why what you are doing is so important- one of my friends lives in Washington State and they were working on the carbon tax measure on last Tuesday's ballot. I wanted to see if the measure included anything at all about hydrogen as a green alternative. It did not, but I spoke with one of the campaign coordinators and she did not even know that there are 3 hydrogen powered cars driving around California, Japan and parts of Europe. Can you believe that? I was astounded. How could one of the persons in the carbon tax campaign not know about hydrogen cars? Then she started confusing "Hydro" (water storage) with Hydrogen. It was something to behold. Keep spreading the word- you'll be known as a prophet soon enough.

Australia’s National Hydrogen Roadmap by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Thank You! Let me know if there's any way I can help your group further. We are on the ground floor of something huge.

The Little Drummer Girl: Behind The Scenes- Season 1 | NEW Miniseries Premiers Sunday Oct.28. The team behind The Night Manager have reunited for another John le Carré adaptation on the BBC. by Chop_Chop in BritishTV

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Good so far, I thought. Did you like EP 1? I'm looking forward to the next. The Night Manager was first class - a brilliant show. Haven't read The Honorable Schoolboy yet, thanks for the mention. It looks very good, I hope this production company decides to make a move from that. I picked Chop_Chop when I heard Anna Chancellor say it once, maybe in "The Hour". I had to replay it around 467 times it was so good.

The Little Drummer Girl: Behind The Scenes- Season 1 | NEW Miniseries Premiers Sunday Oct.28. The team behind The Night Manager have reunited for another John le Carré adaptation on the BBC. by Chop_Chop in BritishTV

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Radio Times: When is The Little Drummer Girl on TV?

Remember when we collectively fell in love with The Night Manager? Well now the production company behind that John le Carré drama is coming back with another adaptation from the spy novelist – and it looks set to be one of the big TV events of the year.

Florence Pugh, Michael Shannon, Alexander Skarsgård and Charles Dance are lined up to star in a seventies tale of international plots and espionage.
https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-10-26/when-is-the-little-drummer-girl-on-tv-who-is-in-the-cast/

Scotland: Aberdeen Hydrogen Fueling Station by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Thanks! Hydrogen is about to break out bigtime. Huge things coming, it is going to be exiting to watch. Let's have a pint one day and discuss our hydrogen cars! Thanks for the upvotes too.

Scotland: Aberdeen Hydrogen Fueling Station by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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What Is A Hydrogen-Powered Plane? Kanye West Said Trump Should Be Flying In One by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen powered airplanes would never work, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFQ2zQiDIJ4

Congratulations! POTUS Shakes Brett Kavanaugh's Hand aboard Air Force One by Chop_Chop in conspiracy

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Did Kavanaugh help obscure Vince Foster's cause of death? Witness Knowlton and FBI agent Miquel Rodriguez saw neck bullet hole on Foster's body.

My sinister battle with Brett Kavanaugh over the truth- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard https://archive.is/Fd0jS (Original Telegraph article has Reg wall)

Doctor Who: Everything we know about Jodie Whittaker’s new Doctor | RadioTimes by Chop_Chop in BritishTV

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Should be already out, the streams are. Probably not a good idea to post here though.

Kavanaugh sworn to high court after rancorous confirmation by rpdayton in news

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Did Kavanaugh help obscure Vince Foster's cause of death?

My sinister battle with Brett Kavanaugh over the truth - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, UK Telegraph (Reg wall- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/my-battle-brett-kavanaugh-over-truth-ambrose-evans-pritchard/)

Archive.is - https://archive.is/Fd0jS

New Breakthrough Could Slash Solar Prices To New Lows by Chop_Chop in Solar

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It's almost at the tipping point of being economically viable

Bloomberg: Solar Farms Without Subsidy Sprout From Gloomy Britain to Italy - At least 15 projects in Europe are planned on the basis that government support won’t be needed to profit https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/solar-without-subsidy-sprouts-in-europe-no-subsidy-solar

It is surprising how much commercial solar exists in Britain - London is at 51 Degrees north!

Nel ASA officially opens new H2Station production facility in Herning, Denmark by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Bart Biebuyck @bartbiebuyck: In Denmark we inaugurated the world’s largest #hydrogen Refueling Station factory, with a capacity of 300 units/yr. @nelhydrogen is involved in many @fch_ju research projects & is good to see that this results now in jobs & growth. Congratulations! https://twitter.com/bartbiebuyck/status/1043184063681634304

Antidepressants linked to Dementia and Alzheimer's by magpie in Antipsychiatry

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Depressed people took medicine

Or it was pushed on them by Doctors more interested in kickbacks than curing people. Humans have existed just fine for what-100 thousand+ years without these substances. Why are there so many taking them now?

The medicine made them more depressed

I'm not a doctor. I have no idea what these pills are doing to the people detailed in SSRIStories.net I'd like to see some unbiased professional studies.

The additional antidepressant induced depression caused them to commit suicide

More investigations like this please:

Congressional Hearings On Antidepressant-Induced Suicide In The Military (2010)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/congressional-hearings-on_b_480613.html