Nikola Motor unveils trucking’s hydrogen future by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Dude it's not good, batteries weigh a lot and take ages to fill up.

That's why I post about hydrogen- the more hydrogen the less batteries. Hydrogen can provide a green future and abundant cheap energy. And jobs + energy independence. A win all around. Nikola is just adding battery electric to their hydrogen base.

improve railways

Hydrogen electric train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgJLYFsu9iw

Think Tech Hawaii's Stan Osserman talks to Paul Ponthieux from the Blue Planet Foundation on the Big Island about hydrogen and energy storage by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Stan takes us to Blue Planet Research on the Big Island, where men are men and hydrogen roams free at 45 MPH. So fasten your seatbelt, because we’re going to hit 2017 with a blast of hydrogen goodness that you cannot get out of your head!!! Roll Tape!!! - Inside the Blue Planet Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuvmUxG02z0

Blue Planet Foundation
https://blueplanetfoundation.org/

With all the reddit users coming over lately, I wanted to share something. This is what happened to Voat. by Alduin in propaganda

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They actually have mod elections there? Terrible.

Not in my case, a racist posted a terribly racist post and I deleted it, then that racist flipped out and posted the deletion to v/freespeech (or whatever, can't remember the sub) and his/her pals got together and downvoted me to where I couldn't even post in my own subverse, as the brilliant ringleader of Voat instituted a rule that anyone with -10 downvotes couldn't post new articles. It was infuriating, but only for a few hours because who cares. Those people (most of them anyway) are repulsive.

With all the reddit users coming over lately, I wanted to share something. This is what happened to Voat. by Alduin in propaganda

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I was "voated" right out of my own subverse (that I built over a couple years) by a flying monkey brigade straight out of hell. Some of the most disgusting people I've ever seen on the net in years. It's like Lord of the Fleas over there. It is truly disturbing that some of these despicable cretins are actually walking around in public, really.

With all the reddit users coming over lately, I wanted to share something. This is what happened to Voat. by Alduin in propaganda

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Great post- that video is classic and should be seen by everyone on the planet. There are lots of great books too - here's one

ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public by Steven Druker, an attorney who initiated a lawsuit against the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that forced it to divulge its files on GM foods.

Not too long ago, it was "conventional wisdom" that margarine with trans-fats was better than butter. "Conventional wisdom" is usually wrong.

"Joe Rogan Experience #1255 - Alex Jones Returns!" by PowerfulJRE (2019-02-27) by JasonCarswell in podcasts

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Jones looks like he's having a breakdown. It's even funnier if you speed it up to 1.25x.

Elon Musk says the tech is 'mind-bogglingly stupid,' but hydrogen cars may yet threaten Tesla by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Also a filthy backstabbing liar. More people should know the Real Musk but the media makes him out to be the second fucking coming and his band of punks attack anyone that tries to shine a light on this piece of filth. Elon Musk: Lord of the Fleas

DALE VINCE V ELON MUSK: ELECTRIC CAR TSARS AT WAR OVER MOTORWAY CHARGING STATIONS

3/2015

...The email allegedly made clear Tesla’s plans to break up the partnership it had built with Ecotricity to install chargers in service areas and instead to make a direct approach to their operators. Ecotricity says that the email — written in haste after an article last year in The Sunday Times that disclosed Musk’s concept of an electric superhighway in Britain — also revealed Tesla’s intention to blacken Ecotricity’s name with politicians and the media... more https://www.driving.co.uk/news/dale-vince-vs-elon-musk/

A must read article or should I say a Musk read article

Putting Solar Panels on Water Is a Great Idea—but Will It Float? by Chop_Chop in Solar

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Japan has installed a number of these floating solar farms, they seem to think they have the mounting structures -if not perfected, good enough to add more.

Korea Railroad Research Institute makes Eco-friendly hydrogen train that runs 372 mile (600km) on a single charge by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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How massive is the train, and how massive is the fuel cell?

Here's Alstom's new Hydrogen powered Coradia iLint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jmDVUbfQXA

Also, what process (and process efficiency) is used to generate the hydrogen for the fuel cell?

Not sure what they're doing in Korea. Likely a mix of SMR and electrolysis

Burning tires to fill fuel cells is counterproductive..

Not a single person in today's hydrogen industry is talking about burning tires.

Make cookers hydrogen gas ready, experts tell West Yorkshire chiefs. "Energy companies & authorities plan to convert existing natural gas mains in Leeds & West Yorkshire to 100% hydrogen gas by 2035, in what has been described as “the world’s largest clean energy project” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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can the old gas stoves be used w h? that would be cool.

Supposedly, with minor modifications, most existing gas appliances can burn H2. We'll see.

Most combustion engines can burn H2 as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKX_4feFLnM

MetaVista Inc. (China): MetaVista sets new long endurance record of 10 hours and 50 minutes with its liquid hydrogen-fueled drone by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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From https://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&oid=008&aid=0004164745&sid1=001

Translated by Google

[Money Today] Kim, Kwon Woo] [Demonstration of technology in all fields of hydrogen fuel cell drone, patent application and overseas export promotion]

On the 23rd, MetaVista set a record of 10 hours and 50 minutes on a dron with 39 liters of liquid hydrogen and a 6L special tank.

Liquid hydrogen company Metavista announced on Wednesday that it set up a 10 hour 50 minute flight record by demonstrating its multi-copter hydrogen fuel cell drone using liquid hydrogen. About 390 grams of liquid hydrogen was used in the 6L special tank.

MetaVista has set a six-hour flight history with a 4L tank on its first test on July 3, and has been testing it continuously to keep track of its goal.

MetaVista demonstrated its proprietary technology in all areas of hydrogen fuel cell drones, including liquid hydrogen production from hydrogen cyanide, ultralight liquid hydrogen tanks, ultra-light multi-copter, fuel cell power management, wireless sensors and sensor fusion Stressed. In the future, the company will apply for a large number of patents on related technologies that have been delayed due to concerns about technology leakage.

A MetaVista official said, "The demand for dron battery market is expected to increase by solving short flight time which was the biggest disadvantage of existing battery drone with liquid hydrogen. I have demonstrated the possibility of being utilized. "

"Liquid hydrogen tanks, which need to maintain insulation, are very difficult to make small tanks compared to large ones." "The long-term flight of drones through the development of small liquid hydrogen power systems is a high technology of miniaturization and light weight of MetaVista's liquid hydrogen tank "He said.

As MetaVista has proven its liquid hydrogen technology, it will actively promote overseas exports. Currently, liquid hydrogen drone and dedicated hydrogen liquefier are being packaged and active consultation with overseas companies is being carried out with the aim of exporting to overseas, a company official said.

The official said, "We have demonstrated the future of high-powered drones that are approaching rapidly and will continue to commercialize them in the future." The long-time flight images of liquid hydrogen drone can be confirmed on MetaVista's official YouTube channel "He added.

Kim Geun-woo reporter [email protected]

China’s using its EV blueprint to promote hydrogen cars by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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from http://www.in-en.com/finance/html/energy-2239165.shtml translated by Google

百亿氢能产业项目落户佛山 首期投资21.6亿元

The 10 billion hydrogen energy industry project settled in Foshan. The initial investment was 2.16 billion yuan.

International Energy Network Source: Guangzhou Daily Date: 2019-01-22

On January 19th, Shanghai Remodeling Energy Technology Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as “Remodeling Technology”) signed an investment agreement with the Nanhai District People's Government of Foshan City. According to the agreement, Remodeling Technology will invest in the construction of a hydrogen energy industry base project in Nanhai District.

It is reported that the industrial base project is located in Danzao Town, Nanhai District. The total investment of the first phase project is 2.16 billion yuan, including hydrogen fuel cell and system research and development base, fuel cell vehicle related industry R&D and production base and related parts industrial base. After the completion of production, the annual output value is expected to reach 15 billion yuan. Zhu Wei, Mayor of Foshan City attended the signing ceremony.

Yang Ming, deputy director of the Development Planning and Statistics Bureau of Nanhai District, Foshan City, said that the introduction of remodeling hydrogen energy projects will further improve the production chain of Nanhai hydrogen fuel cells, and bring a large number of relevant technical talents to strengthen the accumulation of hydrogen energy technology in the South China Sea. In addition, this year, Nanhai will further improve the existing hydrogen energy industry structure, explore the construction of hydrogen production, transportation and storage systems, and build a hydrogen energy industry chain.

Estimated annual output value of 15 billion

It is reported that the remodeling of the technology hydrogen energy industry base project will be in Danzao Town, Nanhai District. The total investment of the first phase of the project reached 2.16 billion yuan. The whole project includes hydrogen fuel cell and system research and development base, fuel cell vehicle related industry research and development production base and related parts industrial base. After the project is put into production, the annual output value is expected to reach 15 billion yuan.

The reporter learned at the scene that Remodeling Technology was established in 2014, and its research and development projects are mainly focused on vehicle fuel cell systems and their core components. Since the establishment of the company, 32kW and 46kW fuel cell systems and their core components have been developed and put into production. The 32kW fuel cell system has been installed on 530 Dongfeng logistics vehicles in 2017 and has been commercialized.

The company's chairman Lin Qi said at the scene that the company has always insisted on technological engineering research and development as the core, and maximized the technology into market applications. At present, the company has developed 38 fuel cells, with a total of 1,607 vehicles, providing services to 21 home appliance logistics companies, with a cumulative mileage of more than 4.5 million kilometers. Remodeling technology has also grown into the largest fuel cell system manufacturer with the largest sales volume and the largest sales volume in China. It has also become the chairman unit of the Fuel Cell Branch of China Automotive Power Battery Industry Innovation Alliance of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

Construction of at least 22 hydrogen refueling stations

Talking about the reasons for reshaping the choice of the production base to settle in the South China Sea. Lin Qi said that as early as 2014, he and the remodeling team members came to Nanhai District of Foshan City to participate in the new energy car parade. At that time, Foshan's good urban style and strong atmosphere of new energy industry development gave him a deep impression. This also prompted them to settle the hydrogen energy industry project in Foshan.

Gu Yaohui, the head of the Nanhai District attending the signing ceremony, said that Foshan is a major manufacturing city and energy consumer market in the country. It is also an area where China introduced hydrogen energy industry earlier. In recent years, it has built hydrogen energy industry chain and promoted hydrogen energy application. The front-line test has already achieved initial results. As the main receiving area of ​​Foshan hydrogen energy industry, Nanhai District has listed hydrogen energy as one of the important industrial fields for the construction of Nanhai modern industrial system.

Gu Yaohui said that Nanhai will first promote the construction of more than 22 hydrogen refueling stations in the Nanhai area on the basis of the hydrogen energy industry, hydrogen refueling station construction and operation and hydrogen energy vehicle series support policies. The South China Sea will also establish a large data monitoring platform for the South China Sea new energy vehicle (hydrogen energy). In addition, the hydrogen energy industry R&D center and the hydrogen energy conference permanent meeting site will be built in the 47.3 square kilometer “Xianhu Hydrogen Valley” industrial park.

Improve the hydrogen energy industry chain

At the signing ceremony, the reporter interviewed Yang Ming, deputy director of the Development Planning and Statistics Bureau of Nanhai District, Foshan City. He said that in the hydrogen energy automobile industry, the development and production of fuel cells plays an important role. The introduction of this remodeling technology project will further improve the system of research and development of hydrogen production in Nanhai.

It is reported that last year the Nanhai District Government and Edelman Hydrogen Energy Equipment Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as "Edman Company") signed a project investment agreement. Edelman will invest 3 billion yuan to promote the hydrogen fuel cell production project in Guangdong and build a hydrogen fuel cell and powertrain production base. It is expected to produce 80,000 to 100,000 hydrogen fuel cells per year. And Edelman is mainly engaged in the research and production of metal electrode plates for hydrogen fuel cells. The remodeling technology introduced this time focuses on the research and production of carbon plate hydrogen fuel cells. This also means that the research and development system for hydrogen fuel cell production in the South China Sea is further improved.

In addition, Yang Ming also told reporters that re-engineering technology and Beijing Institute of Technology have established a close cooperative relationship, which also allows Remodeling Technology to have an excellent technical research and development team. The re-engineering of science and technology will also bring a large number of hydrogen energy industry technical talents to the South China Sea and enrich the Foshan hydrogen energy industry.

Speaking of the South China Sea plan for the hydrogen energy industry this year. Yang Ming said that this year, the South China Sea will further improve the existing hydrogen energy industry system. At the industrial terminal, a hydrogen energy vehicle system including a complete range of models including hydrogen energy buses and logistics vehicles is formed. At the beginning of the industry, Nanhai will continue to build hydrogen refueling stations and explore hydrogen production, logistics, transportation and storage, and eventually build a complete hydrogen energy industry chain.

Tulsi Gabbard: "The United States needs to stay out of Venezuela. Let the Venezuelan people determine their future. We don't want other countries to choose our leaders--so we have to stop trying to choose theirs." by Chop_Chop in politics

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Can't give up. Americans should learn from the Yellow Jackets in France- if they got up off their couches and got in the street maybe the corrupt reptiles would start to take their voices seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfSeMGM5RE

Honda, Toyota shock the Montreal auto show with investments in hydrogen refueling. "To us, what’s most exciting is that the station will use an on-site electrolyzer to turn Quebec’s abundant hydroelectricity into clean, sustainable hydrogen for fuel cell electric vehicles” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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what are your (if any) objections to lithium batteries?

I don't really have any objections, but I have concerns over their ability to be recycled in a cost effective way, which is not happening today. Every single Li-Ion battery made will die one day and need replacement. Take a look at a traffic jam on the 405 in LA and imagine every one of those cars has a 1,300 pound Li-Ion battery. We're talking trillions of pounds of waste.

The manufacture of these batteries isn't green and neither is the disposal. But of course every H2 vehicle needs one (actually Toyota uses Ni-Cad in the Mirai but the same concerns apply) so more hydrogen = less battery waste.

There are many promises about solid-state batteries, and Toyota says they will introduce them sometime during the 2020's. On paper, they look much better as far as charging time, but I don't know anything else about them like how easy they are to recycle or exactly what materials go in them. We'll see soon enough.

[Mine are: stick a knife in your 'smartphone' and BOOM! {also, don't inhale the fumes ;)}]

That's why Tesla added a titanium shield under the car, after someone ran over a rock or something and the battery burst into flame. (that shield added time to remove and replace the battery too)

There was that time Actress Mary McCormack's husband was driving down Santa Monica Bl. and his Tesla caught fire for no apparent reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZKGot04cE8

Not to say H2 isn't dangerous if something goes wrong, It surely is. Caution is required when dealing with any concentrated form of energy- most people know that propane is very dangerous if it leaks. But unlike Hydrogen- propane sinks when it escapes and hangs around, waiting for a spark.

Here's a leak and ignition test - Hydrogen vs. Petrol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0

China's Re-Fire to Build USD $294.5 Million Hydrogen Car Plant in Fuel Cell Hub Foshan. "Nanhai district has developed a complete industrial chain for hydrogen vehicle production" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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They see an opportunity and they're going for it.

See: Made in China 2025

Here's a fascinating conversation with a Fuel Cell Industry Insider who goes to China all the time. Must See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPEbWRc9V3M

Only 3 months until the next Hannover Messe H2FCB show!

Would a hydrogen burner be more efficient than an electric stove? by happysmash27 in Hydrogen

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Would hydrogen stoves be more efficient though? What if the hydrogen is generated from electricity? Would it be more efficient or less efficient than a pure electric stove? What if the electricity was converted to hydrogen for storage anyway?

Great questions, some answers can be found by reading the studies done for the H21 Leeds Citygate Project in the UK from Northern Gas Networks

Northern Gas Networks H21 Leeds Citygate Project: The H21 Leeds Citygas project is a study with the aim of determining the feasibility, from both a technical and economic viewpoint, of converting the existing natural gas network in Leeds, one of the largest UK cities, to 100% hydrogen.

382 page study (PDF)
https://www.northerngasnetworks.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/H21-Report-Interactive-PDF-July-2016.compressed.pdf

It is interesting to note that before the North Sea Natural Gas fields came online in the 1960's, Britain used "Town Gas" which was ~50% hydrogen.

Japan to power fishing boats with Toyota’s hydrogen fuel cells by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Their whaling policy is terrible and should have been stopped years and years ago. Many Japanese people do not endorse this despicable industry. Meanwhile, US Drones hover over cities in the Middle East, sometimes dropping bombs on wedding parties and/or funerals.

Scottish wind farm paid £96m to switch off. "Compensation payments of more than £500 million have been made to wind farms to switch off turbines over the past eight years, the latest figures show." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Bjørn Eng @H2Bjorn: Compensation payments of more than £500 million have been made to wind farms to switch off turbines over the past eight years.

A new monthly record was set in September this year, when £28,434,560 was paid out.

H2 will be the next big thing.
https://twitter.com/H2Bjorn/status/1075878632206295040

P2G: How to store excess wind power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_EjR7zgu8

Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May quit studio car shows after 17 years by Chop_Chop in BritishTV

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It was a great show, so I don't share your view.

The green hydrogen revolution has started, and it won't be stopped by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Stan Meyer was using hydrogen generated on board the vehicle in the vehicle's internal combustion engine. There is more to exactly what he was doing that involved resonance but I don't know very much about it.

Most of today's hydrogen tech uses hydrogen in fuel cells, which have no moving parts (except fans to blow air and H2 through the stack). No combustion with fuel cells, just a chemical reaction.

Greek physicist Petros Zografos is doing something like Stan Meyers did, PBS broadcast a segment on him and then pulled it, saying they should have been more "skeptical".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXHWentESoA

More about the pulled PBS segment: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-3178-post-9252.html

These guys are (or were, in Stan's case) on to something, I'm convinced. The Wiki page on Stan's death is interesting. This tech will disrupt a huge chunk of the status quo so it isn't surprising that there are shenanigans going on.

The green hydrogen revolution has started, and it won't be stopped by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Safety is important! Compressed hydrogen isn't like a bomb, the hydrogen needs oxygen to ignite. So if one of these cars crashes or gets rear ended it's not like an explosion will take out a city block or anything like that. Testing shows that hydrogen cars are generally as safe or safer than gasoline or diesel vehicles because escaped hydrogen floats into space at 45 MPH, whereas gasoline or diesel forms a puddle and if it ignites, there's a serious fire.

Article on a test done some years ago comparing gasoline and hydrogen leaks:

EV World: Hydrogen Car Fire Surprise
Video documents results of hydrogen and gasoline car fires.

On a dark Florida night in 2001 an unusual and revealing experiment took place. Dr. Michael Swain with the University of Miami at Coral Gables attempted to simulate two car fires, one created by a 1/16th inch puncture in a gasoline fuel line, the other by a leaking hydrogen connector. He video taped the experiment to document what would happen if the leaks ignited. As the photos below clearly demonstrate, consumer fears about hydrogen as a transportation fuel would seem to be pretty much unfounded.more: http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=482

Direct Link to Fuel Leak Simulation Study (PDF)
http://evworld.com/library/Swainh2vgasVideo.pdf

Hydrogen is safer than propane, if propane leaks it sinks and collects, waiting for a spark.

Toyota shot a 50 calibre bullet at their hydrogen tank during testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVeagFmmwA0

Why Scotland is leading the way in renewable energy and what we can learn from it by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why is Scotland leading the UK in renewable energy? | ITV News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDLszpu89qw