Business Matters: Towards a hydrogen economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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the storage of H2 was difficult since the H molecule is so small that it can penetrate steel and cause it to become brittle.

The embrittlement problem is somewhat overstated. Consider that US H2 Pioneer Mike Strizki (in Hopewell, NJ) has stored hydrogen in old propane tanks since 2005, see his website here He gives tours, if you can get him on a good day and convince him that you will get him some exposure you might get it free. He sometimes answers his phone (listed on his website), or email him.

Before the North Sea natural gas fields came online in the 1960's, Britain and other countries used "Town Gas" which was ~50% hydrogen. The pipes could handle this without leaking the gas all the time.

Now Leeds, UK is planning to inject H2 into the city gas lines. Appliances will have to be converted (usually no more complicated or expensive than converting a natural gas appliance to run on propane). See this. The Northern Gas Network study covers embrittlement.

The carbon fibre tanks that store hydrogen in Toyota, Honda, Hyundai and Mercedes cars aren't affected by embrittlement.

I had not considered the tremendous demand for power that EVs would put on the system

Another thing many have not considered is that if you need to charge your battery EV and you finally get to a charger and there's a line, you're going to be there for longer than 30-45 minutes. You might be there 3 hours. Who has 3 hours to waste, waiting for a charge? A hydrogen station can fill from zero to ~300 miles of range in ~5 minutes. Throughput is important. One hydrogen dispenser can theoretically fill 12 cars per hour.

Australia’s National Hydrogen Roadmap by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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we'd like to give more presentations to civic groups. Do You happen to know of a "presentation in a can" that we could use to further our cause?

If you haven't seen him yet, Stan Osserman in Hawaii does a weekly hydrogen show on Think Tech Hawaii and they are on Youtube. He's one of the top hydrogen experts in the world. Here's the Think Tech Hawaii channel, search Osserman also search hydrogen - some titles don't include his name.

Here is one of his best, IMO- he talks about the Millennium Reign self contained hydrogen dispenser, it is expensive now ($130,000) but the cost will be decreasing soon. And as Stan says, it is a complete fueling solution- no Saudi Arabia, no oil tankers, no refineries, no transport and all the dollars stay local. It is a paradigm shift that will change the world.

Thanks for keeping the articles coming

Thanks again for the interest, I'd post more but being new here I'm kind of trying to go a bit slow so as not to be thought of as a spammer. There are lots more articles here.

Just some trivia, and an example of why what you are doing is so important- one of my friends lives in Washington State and they were working on the carbon tax measure on last Tuesday's ballot. I wanted to see if the measure included anything at all about hydrogen as a green alternative. It did not, but I spoke with one of the campaign coordinators and she did not even know that there are 3 hydrogen powered cars driving around California, Japan and parts of Europe. Can you believe that? I was astounded. How could one of the persons in the carbon tax campaign not know about hydrogen cars? Then she started confusing "Hydro" (water storage) with Hydrogen. It was something to behold. Keep spreading the word- you'll be known as a prophet soon enough.

Australia’s National Hydrogen Roadmap by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Thank You! Let me know if there's any way I can help your group further. We are on the ground floor of something huge.