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[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah. He's giving people a chance to come around to saving faith in himself

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Well in that case it'd be a miracle if we're anywhere close to that.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Spoiler alert most people choose not to believe in him, sadly

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" (Isaiah 45:23), "and every tongue shall confess to God" (Romans 14:11).

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There is a difference between voluntary choice and involuntary acknowledgement. Perhaps that is what you are missing.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"Turn to me and be saved, all ends of the earth. I am God and there is no other. By myself I have sworn—word will go out of my mouth rightly, and it will not return to me—that to me every knee will bow; every tongue will swear." – Isaiah 45:22-23

Doesn't mention anything "involuntary".

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Maybe another analogy will help you understand why it matters.

A small child is told, don't touch the stove, it's hot. A wise child will choose to believe the parent. A foolish one will touch the stove and go to hell for unbelief. Just because you are forced to admit the truth does not mean you get credit for believing in it when you had no choice.

It is not turning to God when you are forced to stand before him at the last day. That is mandated by the King of heaven, not a choice you made.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My quote specifically says they will turn "and be saved". The kid will suffer a burn, but will immediately take his hand off the stove and it will heal. He will learn the hard way, but he'll never do it again.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The kid suffers punishment. There you go again missing points. You don't suffer punishments if you wisely choose to believe your heavenly father while you have a choice.

You don't have a choice after you are dead, you just have judgment

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And where do you get that idea?