Elon Musk: "To be super clear, I’m pro free speech, but against anti-Semitism of any kind"

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[–]makesyoudownvote 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's not clear at all. In fact it's downright ambiguous.

What do you do when those two ideas come into conflict? That's what the whole discussion is about.

If you make an exception there then you have made an exception and can no longer say you are pro-free speech, you can only say at best you strive for free speech.

Even the classic example of saying fire in a movie theater is a type of exception.

If exceptions are made they have to be spelled out explicitly and precisely, otherwise (and I hate to make a slippery slope argument, but in this case that's EXACTLY what it is) it will never stop. There will always be more and more exceptions to free speech and before long it's not free speech at all.

I am also against anti-semetism. If you look at my post history here, you will see that I am frequently against anti-semetism on here. But in my mind, short of calls to violence or unsafe practices anti-semetism and bigotry in general is totally protected by free speech. If you hate me for my skin color, religion or ethnicity (which as a white passing male, people most of the left seems to) that's your prerogative. I would rather you say it and let me know without fear of institutional retribution or censorship, so that I know where I stand with you. If you are censored into hiding it like reddit does, then I have no idea who is bigoted against me, and the bigot themselves, will experience resentment at being censored, which they will most likely just aim at whatever group you were bigoted against in the first place.

It's literally a lose lose to censor like that, unless you are an elite that benefits from said authoritarian institution.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you are censored into hiding it like reddit does, then I have no idea who is bigoted against me, and the bigot themselves, will experience resentment at being censored, which they will most likely just aim at whatever group you were bigoted against in the first place.

This is how I became outspoken about the jews. Reddit would censor me, as an average right winger, and I learned that reddit was owned by jews. The more they censored me, the more I would speak out against them.

Reddit is now unusable for me due to censorship, so until the platform is destroyed I will speak out against jewish supremacy.

I'm the result of the social dynamic that you describe. Not that they care, but hopefully, they will get to feel the consequences of their actions.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Exactly. The way it's currently set up is like if you had chickenpox and reddit's solution is to scratch it. They literally make it worse. The left handles pretty much all forms of racism and bigotry this way.

Conspiracy says because if racism or bigotry were ever to end they wouldn't have it to capitalize on. They are like those old firefighters that would set fires only to charge people to put them out.

It's all fucked.

Again though I am personally not at all anti-semetic, but it's easy to see how someone could become one on reddit these days. I just think they are nowhere near unified enough for something like that. Ashenazi, Sephardic and Ethiopian Jews barely even know the others exist.

I do think it's valid to say that there are several elite conspiracies though, much more mundane but far reaching than most people on here believe. I also believe that many of these conspiracies are spearheaded by Jewish elites and do yield some favoritism of Jewish people.

But the whole Jewish Satanist thing is so stupid it makes my brain literally hurt. And your average Jew has little to no connection to this. At least no more than your average white male or your average christian male. Sure it's a little easier to get a higher paying job, but it's no more a conspiracy than the left's conspiracies like "the patriarchy" and the "white conspiracy" they are all much more low level than believed.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The difference between white conspiracy and jewish supremacy is that whites don't own youtube, facebook, google, reddit, instagram, snapchat, nyt, hollywood, cnn, etc etc

Jews own it.

There is no white conspiracy lobby. AIPAC exists.

There is no white conspiracy politics. We go to war for Israel.
And so on.

Jews control the west at this point and we will deport them, because of what they did and do.

They can rule their own country, they don't need to rule over us.

[–]makesyoudownvote 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First of all not a single one of those companies are "owned" by a Jew, they are all publicly traded companies. They are owned by thousands of people. You would have been better off siting Blackrock who owns roughly a 30% stake on average of nearly all manufacturing and agricultural companies in the U.S. and is founded and run by Larry Fink, who is definitely a Jewish man. He and his power is downright scary and a good cause for concern. He is probably the one most responsible for both the ecology push and the woke push of big business over the past 10-15 years.

But let's give the argument the benefit of the doubt and look at CEOs and founders.

Youtube and Google both owned by the same company, Alphabet. The two guys who founded it are of mixed Jewish ancestry, but both are atheists. They are more white than they are Jewish. The current CEO of Google and Alphabet is Sundar Pichai, an Indian man who is decidedly NOT Jewish. He has been CEO since 2015. Youtube has a separate CEO and while the last one did have Jewish parents the new one is also Indian and very much not a Jew.

Reddit is was founded by two guys, and a third guy that is also considered a founder. Alexis Ohanian one of the founders is definitely not Jewish, he's Armenian. Steve Huffman and Aaron Swartz both are Jewish by ancestry only. They were all pretty militantly atheist and not at all Jewish as a religious practice. Ellen Pao, the previous CEO was Chinese. Steve Huffman is definitely a snake in the grass though so whatever floats your boat I guess.

CNN was founded not that long ago by Ted Turner. Definitely not a Jew and definitely a white guy. He sold it to Warner Media Group, which is in fact currently run by Jewish David Zaslav, but the Chairman is catholic and prior to 2021 the CEO was a Christian white man. Zaslav is an idiot though and his days are definitely numbered.

Facebook and Instagram are also the same company and again you are picking someone who is barely Jewish in any way but ethnicity. But he's an absolute cuck though so feel free to say he is.

NYT, sure you got me there.

Hollywood (and by that I assume you mean the failing collection of studios in and around Los Angeles) you are also right about. It's heavily run by Jewish people. I worked in Hollywood for over a decade, though technically the only studio actually in Hollywood is not run by a Jewish guy. They absolutely have had a major stake in Hollywood since forever.

But you are also leaving out some of the biggest competition in a lot of these. Apple is bigger than Google and Meta/Facebook/Instagram combined. Tim Cook, nor Steve Jobs are Jewish. White guys.

Fox News is twice the size of New York Times and is also not run by a Jew. White guy.

Again I am not saying that's an issue either. I'm just saying there is a tendency to exaggerate when it comes to things like this.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The two guys who founded it are of mixed Jewish ancestry, but both are atheists. They are more white than they are Jewish.

False. They are jewish. Not white.

Youtube has a separate CEO and while the last one did have Jewish parents the new one is also Indian and very much not a Jew.

Susan is jewish

Reddit is was founded by two guys

It's majority owned by Donald Newhouse, who is jewish.

Facebook and Instagram are also the same company and again you are picking someone who is barely Jewish in any way but ethnicity. But he's an absolute cuck though so feel free to say he is.

Zuckerberg is jewish

This is a 2% minority, owning pretty much everything related to political power.

Whites were 90% of the population, so you'd expect these companies to have 90% white owners but that's not what you find. At best, you found Fox? Who recently changed from being run by the jew Charlie Collier, so congrats?

[–]RedItBurn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The people who obsess over jews really stab themselves in the foot. Tyrants come in all shapes and sizes. What happens when a white, black, hispanic, asian, or some other race acts like a tyrant or asshole? Did it not happen?

Tencent owns a big share of Reddit, and they're owned by the CCP. Oh, but that's clearly the Jews fault because .... reasons.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hahaha. Yeah pretty much. They immediately put a Chinese woman in charge too when they bought it. Do I think the fact Tencent is Chinese played a role in that? Of course! But I don't think it's any sort of major racism or conspiracy that requires action.

Also again as someone who worked in Hollywood for over a decade, at the time at least the Chinese were way more something to worry about than "The juice" the Jews are not nearly as unified. It's mostly just people with something in common. The Chinese companies are all heavily controled and influenced by the CCP and we are basically in the beginnings of a Cold War with China.

[–]DirewolfGhost 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"To be super clear, I worship Jews"

[–]sugardaddy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I got shitcanned off of Twitter and it was because I said that I thought that Hitler was a very charismatic speaker, and I stand by those words.. many know that I'm not a holocaust denier and I'm actually looking forward to meeting nice Jewish people I'm not a person who dislikes or hates Jewish people but I'm just telling you he was a very very dynamic speaker.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He would begin some speeches with 2 or 3 minutes of silence. To set the mood. What a boss.

[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude had a lot going for him.

He was a great speaker.

He was a great leader.

He was among the first to recognize the dangers of smoking and started the first anti-smoking campaign.

He was ironically big on compassion and humane treatment of animals.

He was a cunning militarist.

He bagged Evan Braun who was quite the smoke show.

The same way we learn more from mistakes than successes we can learn more by not underappreciating the strengths of even the worst enemies.

[–]BobOki 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am long off the Elon fan club, not that I was ever a fan, just liked the guy, but to me this sounds like I like free speech until it is something I don't like, then it stops being free speech and is.... I guess hate speech. Has Elon come full circle?

[–]SMCABwhatever 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You're not for free speech then, you donkey.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very jewish of him

[–]SMCABwhatever 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Very very jewy.

[–]xoenix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Check out his last couple of tweets:

To clear our platform’s name on the matter of anti-Semitism, it looks like we have no choice but to file a defamation lawsuit against the Anti-Defamation League … oh the irony!

Linking to a scathing criticism of the ADL

[–]TheMaharishi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love colors but I hate red & blue - Elon Musk

[–]RedItBurn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the people how obsess over jews are retarded, but this is also a retarded take.