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[–]hfxB0oyA 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Based gays like the ones I know and appreciate. Good on them.

[–]newguy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Agreed. I think lots of people left the catholic church for the same reason. What is it with big powerful organizations becoming like this?

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They always lie to you, and it works when they can keep you from thinking for yourself. Once the taboo wears off and you crack the door open to question their orthodoxy, things tend to fall apart quickly. Their power comes from maintaining a willfully blind constituency.

[–]newguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It seems weak lies can be made to look strong by abusing positions of power. People don't question because they're afraid, and those with the power put that fear of questioning in to them.

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true, but these things always have an expiration date. People don't actually turn their brains off for long. They stew over stuff for a long time while they're still too afraid to say anything. Then when the cracks form in the dam, it appears to break with amazing speed, because people finally feel free to agree with those first movers who speak up.

Story time:

A long time ago, I talked to an old woman who lived through the Nazi regime as a civilian during the war. She was neither a hero hiding Jews, nor a party member hunting them down. She was just an average German, trying to get by day to day. I asked what it was like to live in a city under that government. She told me that she understood why people afterwards asked why the average citizens didn't do something to try to stop the Nazi machine. She said that what nobody could understand was just the level of pervasive fear that every single person lived under, every single day. She was there alone. Her husband was deployed to the front. She has a young child to take care of. Everyone knew of people in their neighbourhoods who would be there one day, and the next day, they would be gone. Disappeared for good. Nobody knew why, and, even if it was a close neighbour, nobody even asked. She said the way to get by each day was to keep your head down and don't ask questions. Everyone was living under fear and knew something was terribly wrong with their own government, but nobody wanted to risk sticking their neck out and being the next to disappear. You never knew which of your neighbours was going to be the one to rat you or trump you up on false allegations just because you may have slighted them. Was it the woman next door? Was it the man at the butcher shop? She had a child. If she went missing, he would starve to death. Many didn't know a thing about the treatment of the Jews, again, because they didn't want to know anything.

People today act very heroic, saying "If I were there, I would helped. I would have been part of the resistance." All well and good, but I think this woke thing has put the lie to that. Many "Good Canadians" I know are keeping their mouths shut and their heads down. They won't stand up to this thing, even though the worst that could happen to them is they'd lose their jobs, but most likely, they'd just lose some friends on social media. And far too many have become the people who would rather join the dog pile on someone else. I understand, because I was there for a few minutes before I asked myself "What the fuck am I doing??"

This is why I'm on this site. I still don't rock the boat much at work, but I won't join the chorus when it's time to wish everyone Happy Pride on Slack. If someone asks, I'll politely tell them my views on intersectionality. I'm not storming the ramparts on this, but I won't join the chorus either. And I've been getting louder as this has started becoming more socially acceptable. There are a lot of people on this site whose views I strongly disagree with - for example, the black and jew haters - but as the old chestnut goes, "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it". And that's important, because if you don't defend that right for others, eventually the political tables are going to turn, and the laws you so happily used against others will be swung against you.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Finally, as a bisexual male, I've had this sentiment a long time now as well. Pride isn't about anything else than oppression olympics and hating on those that are straight. The fact that they're doing their best to spread pride to children is just creepy as fuck. Children don't need to be exposed to this at a young age, because they cannot understand the deeper implications. Same as you wouldn't take a kid to a strip club either!

Edit: Actually, yeah.. seems like this group is associating with nazis and Qanon, no thanks: https://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-2022-break-records-anti-lgbtq-protests-extremism-watchdog-2023-1?r=US&IR=T

[–]chadwickofwv 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because when the CIA media screams that a group is the root of all evil you should totally believe every word they say!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uhhuh,now go look at the wikipedia article I linked and follow the other 20+ sources. They're all CIA right? fucking horseshoe. I thought people were smarter here than the lefties at Reddit. Guess not. This place is just the other side of the horsehoe it seems.

[–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I've found that Business Insider is not a reliable source upon which to base my opinions.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Then I suggest you look up the other 20+ links at the footer of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gays_Against_Groomers

Of course a lot of it is obviously biased extreme leftie shit, but there's enough decently reputable sources in there that I'm confident in saying that I'm not going to associate with that nazi/MAGA group. The only thing I hate more than woke SJWs screeching about censorship and defending trancels are the MAGA crowd who think Trump is the Best American Evar.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Alright, use your reading comprension please. I said to check the links at the END of the article. I don't trust Wikipedia in the least, I initially assumed it was a smear article like the gamergate one. But when I'd checked enough of those links, it was obvious this wasn't just some leftie blogs.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Wikipedia isn't the best source either when trying to find any facts about anything political these days, IMHO. Looking in the "talk" part of the page, there's a lot of back and forth about labeling it a "far-right" org. 'Conservative' might be a better label, though I'd say it was small-c, not big-C conservative. I'm saying this as a left leaning Canadian.

    Anyhow, we're here to discuss and debate, and I appreciate your perspective.

    Also, and it belabours the original point to say, but you obviously don't have to endorse Gays Against Groomers to walk away from Pride. These sorts of things really only gain momentum when ordinary people, not special interest groups or clubs, decide they've had enough.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No, wikipedia is biased as fuck, that's why you should check the links at the end which lead to various sources, both good and bad.

    And on that note, I definitely do not support pride as it is today in any shape way or form. They've become the very thing they said they were fighting.

    [–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Wikipedia is great for pop culture, basic science, and ancient history.

    For anything recent and political it is completely and utterly colonized by wokies and three letter agency shills and you have to interpret it as propaganda, not neutral fact. Anything that goes against the woke agenda is "far right extremist" and if you once said hello to the brother of a man who went to school with a nazi, you're "associated with" nazis.

    Look at the language used in the Wikipedia article. It's guilt by association: Proud Boys turned up to a Gays Against Groomer rally therefore GAG are far right extremists like Proud Boys. Literally anyone can turn up to the rallies.

    You don't have to agree with everything that GAG say or do to recognise a hit piece against them. Personally I think that they're too quick to accuse TRAs of pedophilia without evidence, but the label "far right" is being used here as a pure slur with no real meaning in this case.

    Gays Against Groomers are a single-issue group that includes people from all over the political spectrum who believe that teachers, doctors, therapists etc should not groom gender non-conforming children into irreversible surgery and risky puberty blockers. I'm sure it does include far right people, but it also includes left wingers, moderates, apolitical people, and mostly people who consider themselves politically homeless but are rightfully concerned about so-called "gender affirming care" and schools showing sexually themed drag shows and explicit pornographic materials to children.

    It includes gays who believe that the trans industry -- and don't be fooled, transitioning children is an industry potentially worth billions of dollars a year in medical and surgical fees -- is the new conversion therapy, with the message being "your not a gay boy, you're a trans girl" (and likewise for lesbians).

    [–]ID10T 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I follow their account on social media and generally agree with their sentiments. I find it bizarre that their quite reasonable points are being slandered as "far right".

    Saying that one of their founders used to work for another far right organization therefore you shouldn't listen to anything they say is a typical ad hominem logical fallacy. The argument itself is not rebutted, you are being encouraged to ignore the message due to the source.

    [–]newguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Basically anything that isn't just "do whatever the hell you want" is now a "conservative" opinion to mainstream culture, it's ridiculous

    [–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    Lol, proud boys are posers not nazis.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Doesn't matter, they're fucking mouthbreathing morons at the end of the day, whether they openly support nazis or Trump, doesn't matter, anything associated with the ends of the horseshoe is shit I don't want anything to do with.

    [–]jet199Instigatrix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You think Trump is one end of the horseshoe?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Well, to anyone outside the US, he's coming off as pretty retarded right-wing, so yes. Definitely so.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Doesn’t mean the bullshit retard wasn’t popular with the gun-redneck-Christian crowd. And everyone that didn’t like him actually did burn down buildings. If he gets to be president again with support of the negative influences you speak of or if they seek to destroy classical liberalism and its future promise - such as cannabis and psychedelic legalization in favor of something much worse, like the handmaidens tale, gestapo policing networks, hardcore identification politics and outright austerity of multiply sects of minorities and indigenous people - then the real safe bet is to prepare as soon as possible against the future of such a hitlerite con-man because fascism does not roll around in a little time. May take around 5 years or more as in the case of nazism. And the plandemic has provided the perfect cover.

      [–]Mcheetah 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      "Co-opted."

      LMAO!

      Either way, I guess that's good, for the gay guys and gals who aren't the Scott Weiner types.