Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia According To NIH Study

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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's a lie that "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia According To NIH Study"

That's an outright lie. A falsehood, fake news, a twisted mistruth that somebody engineered because OP is stupid enough to spread it.

The real question seems to be, is it true that pneumonia was left untreated for a majority of people admitted for COVID?

Where did you get that idea? That's literally nowhere in the study.

This is about ventilator associated pneumonia, VAP, which occurs because patients are coming into hospital who are drowning on their own liquified lung tissue. The best treatment discovered by science is to stick a plastic tube down your airways, which is a delivery mechanism for bacteria, which leads to bacterial VAP, which the study found increased the chance of covid death by around 4x.

If you have gotten the retarded notion into your head that for some reason, medical staff are deciding not to treat pneumonia. Then you need to take a minute and seriously examine how that notion got into your head. Because it's nothing to do with the study cited here

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It's a lie that "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia According To NIH Study"

So the "untreated" part is the lie? If we removed "untreated" it would be a true statement?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The study found that intubated covid patients who catch VAP are ~4x more likely to die than intubated patients who don't get pneumonia.

If you're intubated, then covid has a 17% chance of killing you (the study says).

If you catch VAP while intubated, that number becomes 78%.

That is the finding of the study, and the presentation in the OP title and linked article is totally fake

It's doesn't say anything about "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths"

It doesn't say that the majority was due to VAP.

It doesn't say that the VAP was untreated.

Those are all lies, engineered by a fake news merchant to prey upon OP's stupidity.

Edit - I mean you could always just click it yourself and spend a few minutes reading it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's doesn't say anything about "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths"

Okay I think this is the major lie you are talking about. Maybe if you explained things more clearly, you would reach more people.

X is a lie because of Y would be more effective than these rambling paragraphs.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I also read the article and see that it's an obvious lie. What I don't get is why Saiditors voted on this lie. Why do that? You can also see for yourself how famous this source is for its lies: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-defender-childrens-health-defense-credibility

/u/Site_rly_sux has alread generously explained these obvious lies.

What's dangerous is how many in the US are willing to believe obvious lies like this. Manufacturing consent of that kind is fraud, and guess who those brainwashed people will vote for.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

/u/Site_rly_sux has alread generously explained these obvious lies.

No he didn't. His explanation is as clear as diarrhea.

Can you clearly re-state the biggest lie for me?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lie #1 - The study showed the "majority of covid hospital deaths were due to X", for a given value of X.

Truth: it said nothing at all about the causes for any majority of covid hospital deaths. It wasn't about that.

Lie #2 - The X here is "Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia"

Truth: the study DID NOT claim that a majority of deaths were caused by untreated ventilator associated pneumonia. The study was about a totally different question

Lie #3 - The pneumonia was untreated! And there's something spooky about that

Truth: The presentation of "untreated" is a total lie, in fact - the pneumonia is happening because the patient will die without a plastic tube.

They are drowning because their lung tissue has turned to fluid.

The lungs are turning to fluid and drowning the patient because they have the COVID virus literally turning your tissue into mush. It's gnarly.

Let's look at the effect of three lies in combination -

  1. Obviously it's a bald-faced deliberate lie. There's no natural reading of the study which would lead to this conclusion.

  2. It wants the reader to think the doctors are weirdly leaving patients untreated. Because, this fake news engineer wants to be the only expert you trust.

  3. It wants you to think a MAJORITY of deaths were due to evil doctors. What a horrible nasty thing for this fake news merchant to do. Your grandma is reading this shit. What if this article's deliberate lies causes your grandparents to ignore the early signs of a disease. How many stupid old fucktards are mistrusting their doctors and literally dying a death because OP and similar retards are spreading a literal social poison.

And fuck you u/being-poisoned for playing dumb over sixteen posts. Instead of just clicking the fucking thing and reading it yourself dipshit. That's precisely your problem. Just read it yourself

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I read the story and the study! Fuck you for your shit tier debunking. Your comment above is a much better debunking.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay fair enough sorry. But with that said what do you think about my points numbered 1 through 3 above

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with point 1. Although if the majority of COVID deaths happened on a ventilator, then this is potentially not a lie. The article does not prove its statement though, agreed.

Points 2 and 3 seem to be the same. But again, what if it's true that hardly anyone was directly treated for their pneumonia? Maybe the CDC pushed treatment plan of ventilator tubes and redemsivir was POTENTIALLY killing people, by overlooking pneumonia treatment. Again, not established as true by the article.*

[–]niggerjewfaggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

/u/Site_rly_sux has done a better job than me to find the biggest lies, in response to your question, as he has much more patience than me with this.

Lie #1: I read the report, looking for this:

"Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia"

And I did not see that in the report. For example, there is absolutely no evidence in that report that the pneumonia was 'untreated' or indeed that the majority of deaths were due to that untreated pneumonia. It is of course widely known that COVID causes "pneumonia or diffuse alveolar damage" which was discovered in many of the autopsies they managed to study (there aren't autopsies in almost all cases where the reason for the patient's death was relatively obvious or there was no obvious requirement for an autopsy).

Lie #2:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-defender-childrens-health-defense-credibility

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense

Misinformation promoted by Children's Health Defense is a conspiracy theory

It's dangerous to spread misinformation.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay your lie 1 is acceptable, even if it's just re-stating what your boss said.