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[–]passionflounderPaper tiger 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Hospitals sticking to the strict hand-me-down, highly profitable “COVID protocol” may have doomed a majority of admitted COVID-19 patients to death due to a perfect storm of institutional failure, a new study shows.

What an interesting way of saying they were murdered by the medical industry whose members were "just following orders".

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The study didn't find any such thing.

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682

The op story is a lie and you need your head checked for believing it without needing any other evidence.

If you believed it without clicking the journal pdf link, then I hope you are never offered medical treatment again for the rest of your short life

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Seriously, the idea that doctors are evil and incompetent in general is fucking insane. All the doctors I've met, and I've met plenty, are some of the most caring and smartest people there are.

The notion that ventilators killed people is also lunacy. You don't get put on a ventilator unless you can't breathe for yourself. During covid doctors had to triage people that would even get a ventilator because there wasn't enough to go around.

Guess what? If you can't breathe for yourself you are dying. You already have a poor chance of living with a ventilator but you definitely aren't living without one. Use a little common sense people!

[–]POOPCORN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]HibikiBlackThe Easter Bunny 🐰 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If germ theory is a catholic fakery then why does it predict outcomes so well. The Jesuits didn't have microscopes, yet you imply they faked germ theory in a way that perfectly matches the actual germs that you can look at under a microscope.

What are the germs that we can look at, if germ theory is a catholic fake? What competing theory explains the process of pasteurisation?

Hey man the dervishes believed in the theory of gravity, don't be like those Sufi dervishes, join us at s/dervish where we deny the fake theory of so-called gravity

[–]Megatron95 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes to the factual existence of bacteria, no to the condescending, gaslighting last sentence. You need to refine your approach if you aspire to be a top-tier shill.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wtf are you talking about gaslighting you big baby tiktok weiner.

He titled his post "the non-science"

Links like this one below serve absolutely no purpose other than - hey the sufi dervishes believe in gravity, so you should be suspicious of it.

That's exactly the reasoning of a conspiritard. First they link to something showing you how a dervish once kicked a cat. Then they link to proof that dervishes believe in gravity.

And then they say "well you don't want to be a cat-kicker, do you"

https://saidit.net/s/Jesuits/comments/9zny/catholic_girolamo_fracastoro_helped_in_the/

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's treat pneumonia with COVID anti-virals and ventilator tubes! --your trusted health experts

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

This is a lie and fake news.

No surprise.

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/170682

The study found that covid mortality was higher among the ventilated COVID patients who got pneumonia. (78% mortality versus, 17% for the ventilated patients who didn't get pneumonia).

The conclusion is that covid plus pneumonia sucks, and catching pneumonia while you have covid makes you around four times more likely to die.

You bunch of fucking dipshits didn't even click the study link did you. Fucktards. This is why your worldview is made up of totally fake pieces of fake information.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What is a lie? The real question seems to be, is it true that pneumonia was left untreated for a majority of people admitted for COVID?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's a lie that "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia According To NIH Study"

That's an outright lie. A falsehood, fake news, a twisted mistruth that somebody engineered because OP is stupid enough to spread it.

The real question seems to be, is it true that pneumonia was left untreated for a majority of people admitted for COVID?

Where did you get that idea? That's literally nowhere in the study.

This is about ventilator associated pneumonia, VAP, which occurs because patients are coming into hospital who are drowning on their own liquified lung tissue. The best treatment discovered by science is to stick a plastic tube down your airways, which is a delivery mechanism for bacteria, which leads to bacterial VAP, which the study found increased the chance of covid death by around 4x.

If you have gotten the retarded notion into your head that for some reason, medical staff are deciding not to treat pneumonia. Then you need to take a minute and seriously examine how that notion got into your head. Because it's nothing to do with the study cited here

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It's a lie that "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia According To NIH Study"

So the "untreated" part is the lie? If we removed "untreated" it would be a true statement?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The study found that intubated covid patients who catch VAP are ~4x more likely to die than intubated patients who don't get pneumonia.

If you're intubated, then covid has a 17% chance of killing you (the study says).

If you catch VAP while intubated, that number becomes 78%.

That is the finding of the study, and the presentation in the OP title and linked article is totally fake

It's doesn't say anything about "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths"

It doesn't say that the majority was due to VAP.

It doesn't say that the VAP was untreated.

Those are all lies, engineered by a fake news merchant to prey upon OP's stupidity.

Edit - I mean you could always just click it yourself and spend a few minutes reading it

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's doesn't say anything about "Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths"

Okay I think this is the major lie you are talking about. Maybe if you explained things more clearly, you would reach more people.

X is a lie because of Y would be more effective than these rambling paragraphs.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I also read the article and see that it's an obvious lie. What I don't get is why Saiditors voted on this lie. Why do that? You can also see for yourself how famous this source is for its lies: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-defender-childrens-health-defense-credibility

/u/Site_rly_sux has alread generously explained these obvious lies.

What's dangerous is how many in the US are willing to believe obvious lies like this. Manufacturing consent of that kind is fraud, and guess who those brainwashed people will vote for.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

/u/Site_rly_sux has alread generously explained these obvious lies.

No he didn't. His explanation is as clear as diarrhea.

Can you clearly re-state the biggest lie for me?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lie #1 - The study showed the "majority of covid hospital deaths were due to X", for a given value of X.

Truth: it said nothing at all about the causes for any majority of covid hospital deaths. It wasn't about that.

Lie #2 - The X here is "Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia"

Truth: the study DID NOT claim that a majority of deaths were caused by untreated ventilator associated pneumonia. The study was about a totally different question

Lie #3 - The pneumonia was untreated! And there's something spooky about that

Truth: The presentation of "untreated" is a total lie, in fact - the pneumonia is happening because the patient will die without a plastic tube.

They are drowning because their lung tissue has turned to fluid.

The lungs are turning to fluid and drowning the patient because they have the COVID virus literally turning your tissue into mush. It's gnarly.

Let's look at the effect of three lies in combination -

  1. Obviously it's a bald-faced deliberate lie. There's no natural reading of the study which would lead to this conclusion.

  2. It wants the reader to think the doctors are weirdly leaving patients untreated. Because, this fake news engineer wants to be the only expert you trust.

  3. It wants you to think a MAJORITY of deaths were due to evil doctors. What a horrible nasty thing for this fake news merchant to do. Your grandma is reading this shit. What if this article's deliberate lies causes your grandparents to ignore the early signs of a disease. How many stupid old fucktards are mistrusting their doctors and literally dying a death because OP and similar retards are spreading a literal social poison.

And fuck you u/being-poisoned for playing dumb over sixteen posts. Instead of just clicking the fucking thing and reading it yourself dipshit. That's precisely your problem. Just read it yourself

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I read the story and the study! Fuck you for your shit tier debunking. Your comment above is a much better debunking.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay fair enough sorry. But with that said what do you think about my points numbered 1 through 3 above

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with point 1. Although if the majority of COVID deaths happened on a ventilator, then this is potentially not a lie. The article does not prove its statement though, agreed.

Points 2 and 3 seem to be the same. But again, what if it's true that hardly anyone was directly treated for their pneumonia? Maybe the CDC pushed treatment plan of ventilator tubes and redemsivir was POTENTIALLY killing people, by overlooking pneumonia treatment. Again, not established as true by the article.*

[–]Stfu_ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Covid caused the Pneumonia u dopes. It causes pneumonia when they are already in a weakened state from the virus. It also appears to cause tiny micro clots in the lungs in many cases, which is why people weren't responding to additional oxygen and they were initially putting people on ventilators.

But I see we’re still sticking with it’s just the flu bruh even after millions of deaths.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP I don't like to call names but my god you need to exercise a bare minimum of critical thinking before posting nonsense like this.