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[–]Alienhunter 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

It hits on a point most leftists need to get into their head, optics matter. I'm more or less on the leftist side of the fence when it comes to issues like gay marriage being legal or climate change being a major issue that should be taken seriously. But there's so many goddamn idiots running the media circus of course you're going to lose the battle for public opinion.

If the gay agenda image is two men in suits otherwise behaving like Mormon saints then the right wing opposition is weak and they don't have ammunition. Of course the leftist answer to that is "fuck that I'm not letting the right dictate how I should live" and then extreme cases you get the stupid drag queen children's time with some dumbass with a dildo making sexual gestures in front of children. I'm sorry do you want everyone who is right of you to think y'all are pedophiles? You gotta do gatekeeping and optics pruning to keep these idiots out of the public light. Yes that includes shaming pedophiles for wanting to live their authentic self.

Otherwise the right can just do what they do now is go to pride parade set up a camera and be all like "see we told you these people are all sexual deviant pedophiles". and see polling success.

Same with the climate cunts that block traffic and do other stupid things. Average Joe cares about how the issue effects him specifically and if the effect is "I can't get to work and provide for my family" naturally he's going to take the opposite position. We need to do more to keep these dumb fucking kids under control.

[–]Smarterthanlastweek2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Look how marches for racial equality went from MLK to BLM.

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[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You can't keep 'em under control LOL but good for you for caring. Please don't become a political consultant, it might actually help their cause.

[–]Alienhunter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You gotta demonize these people within your own party and distance yourself from them. The right has the same problem with the religious extremists that will ban things like ectopic pregnancy if given the chance. These people are stupid, not in positions of making policy, and are a small small minority of the right, but they're the dumbasses out waving the signs and they're the ones the left see as the mainstream right.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know what to do. The fact is that a lot of gay men are on a spectrum of degeneracy. Sure, my husband and I conform to the suited-Mormon-saint image (well OK maybe flannel shirts and not suits) and we conspicuously avoid monkeypox orgies ... but I can think of only a handful of other gay male couples who are monogamous (I mean really monogamous and not just pretending to be to the outer world). A lot of even same-sex-married gay men are still scrolling through Grindr, Scruff, and other apps I have never even heard of. I think it's not unlikely that the bad optics will lead to a momentous pendulum swing back to the right.

[–]jet199Instigatrix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I remember a few gay men speaking out against gay marriage when the laws were going through for exactly this reason. Gay men simply don't lead the same lifestyle as straight people so shouldn't force themselves to fit into straight people's social institutions. Maybe civil partnerships were the best ways forward after all.