USA: Donald Trump plans to drop charges against whistleblower Edward Snowden

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[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

A limited hangout is someone who tells part of the ugly truth, enough to make you stop asking questions despite the fact that there is MUCH more to be revealed.

"I confess I raped my sister." And they take him to jail for a bit, meanwhile he has 14 undiscovered corpses in his basement.

If Snowden was a legit threat the CIA would have offed him in Russia. If everyone can "find" him to do TV interviews, since the CIA control the TV I'm sure they could find and dispose of him. The NSA, his "former" work place, sniffs up all the world's traffic anyways. If they could find Ross Ulbricht, a real hero, there's no way Snowden could remain free without permission.

Snowden is a celeb for life now. That NEVER happens without the approval and support of the MSM. No one gets promoted in Hollywood/media (ie. becomes a household name) unless they are Jewish, related to a multi-multi-millionaire, or related to a senior military or senior intelligence. Very few who have exceptional talent are ever allowed to reach much less last in the spotlight and they absolutely must maintain the status quo.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Limited_hangout - Good but not the best definition.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird - CIA control MSM
https://infogalactic.com/info/Dynamic_silence - Snowden is the opposite.

" Snowden seems like a good guy who suffered for his conscience. "

The Snowden story is the lie we all wish were true. But it's too good to be true and there are no shortage of holes in it when you actually look.

Noam Chomsky and Julian Assange are similarly limited hangouts.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Thanks for the explanation.

Your version still doesn't sound plausible to me. Snowden sacrificed far too much for it to be anything other than genuine. He may have acquired supporters in the CIA after the fact, who didn't want to see him caught. But he didn't torch his life for the CIA, and Putin didn't shelter him for the CIA.

Your theory reminds me of the people who say McVeigh was a fed. Some people go down the intelligence community rabbit hole and see a mastermind conspiracy in everything. But lone wolves are hard to stop, and the Cathedral is a messy priestly collaboration.

Anonymous Conservative is the most prominent* example of someone lost to this form of lunatic paranoia. It affects Vox Day to some degree as well, and even Qanon. Cloak and dagger fails to account for "shit happens" and the idealistic amateur. Speaking as an idealistic amateur, we should not be underestimated.

*most prominent that I follow. I'm sure plenty of people like Alex Jones are much worse.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

" Snowden sacrificed "

LOL

His girlfriend was able to move from Hawaii to Russia with love to join him. He's gotten donations and support, including from WikiLeaks which is also raking in mega bucks when clearly they don't need millions just to run a fucking secure site.

Snowden doesn't sound genuine at all. He's just a far better sounding nerd-bot than Zuck is. Snowden says all the "proper" things without any personality or passion just as he's supposed to.

My "theory" is called facts.

McVeigh was shady as hell. The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh (58:16) ~ corbettreport, 2015-05-11

EVERYTHING is political, and therefore everything is controlled, and therefore everything IS a conspiracy. ESPECIALLY everything military/intelligence. I never said anything about masterminds, they are just pathetic greedy little minds who want to master the universe.

Agreed: Lone wolves are hard to stop. They are everywhere. (Enough lone wolves and you have a revolution.) But the powers that be ONLY promote the lone wolves they want to promote, real, fiction, or a combo.

I highly recommend reading https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Douglas+Valentine+The+CIA+As+Organized+Crime

The CIA has 2 core principles: 1) Gain power (including money, knowledge, influence) by any means, and 2) Always have plausible deniability.

Since you like Vox, perhaps you like https://Infogalactic.com that he founded? It has pros and cons but I like the freedom there with the deep encylopedia.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Hanlon's_razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - This is what they want you to believe as it gives them an easy out and excuse for everything.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"It's just incompetence and blowback."They say!

They want you to think the government corporation are imbeciles when they know the legal truth and are educated in perception management. They are far smarter and use the facade of incompetence to trick you into thinking that it isn't the very system itself that they created which allows them to rule over you. It is! And always will be if people do not wake up to this deception.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hanlon's Razor is their favourite excuse, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" - but why does it always mess up in their favour rather than something more logical like 50% for the ruling class and 50% for the masses?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Iraq war was a total failure says the corporate pundits.

Suuuuuuuuuuure it was; maybe for us, but now for you.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And there are people who made it onto saidit that still fall for that tired old trick? Damn.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

His girlfriend was able to move from Hawaii to Russia with love to join him.

Eventually. For a good while, maybe years, it looked like he'd lose her. Could've easily happened. Had the USA caught him, he'd be rotting in prison with the other leakers, unless he trannified himself. Saying Snowden got away with it, therefore he's a fed, ignores all the poor saps before him who didn't get away with it, who he learned from.

Just like saying McVeigh was a fed because he went overboard blowing up a building with women and children involved, ignores the history of escalation between militias and feds up to that point.

He's gotten donations and support, including from WikiLeaks which is also raking in mega bucks when clearly they don't need millions just to run a fucking secure site.

I don't find it suspicious that people and probably states donate to Wikileaks. They do good work.

Snowden doesn't sound genuine at all.

He does to me because I'm like him.

I generally dismiss video evidence that could've been presented in text form. It is hiding from rebuttal.

EVERYTHING is political, and therefore everything is controlled, and therefore everything IS a conspiracy.

No. Individuals act independently all the time.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Hanlon's Razor is a helpful rule for reducing conflict when working with one's in-group. Regarding the Cathedral and humans in general, malice and stupidity are correlated.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Snowden:

Pushes the 9/11 offical story and blowback theory which is a perception management narrative created by the DoD. His father, also, interestingly, worked in the DoD during 9/11 on the 9/11 phantom planes. If you can believe that. Where's all those Booz alan hamilton documents Snowden?

I'm telling you. They will recruit any low-life, not that Snowden is, to push their narratives. Lots of the people you see interviewed on TV by Cooper or Carlson are criminals out on bonds with new names. They will do anything for money and to push a political agenda.

The media, as Solzhenitsyn stated, is far more powerful than even the government at controlling peception and upon their amalgamation, they become a powerful perception management apparatus.

Who owns the media?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand how anyone could possibly argue with Jason and Jesus on these matters. It's clear as day.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Snowden leaked in 2013. She moved to Russia in 2014. I've had worse long-distance relationships.

" Had the USA caught him... "

But they didn't. There never was a threat. It was staged. Even his "precautions" were staged.

Do you know how many legit poor saps have tried to leak like Snowden or Assange? No. We'll never know. They tell people this is how you don't get caught, use Tor, and all the other stuff - while we follow their lead into their trap. Worse, their information will NEVER be promoted like Snowden was if they should some how find some cracks.

If you think McVeigh blew up that building you're very ignorant of the facts. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=A+Noble+Lie Watch it. The militia thing is a whole other powder keg.

WikiLeaks has done good work. But they are a limited hangout.

No one needs MILLION$ to run a website like that. They need decentralized hosting all over the world, sure, but it wouldn't cost millions. Legal fees on the other hand...

" He does [sound genuine] to me because I'm like him. "

Fallacious thinking. I'd be a Scientologist because muh Tom Cruise by that logic.

" I generally dismiss video evidence that could've been presented in text form. It is hiding from rebuttal. "

Nonsense. There are comment sections and forums. A published book, magazine, or newspaper doesn't have a feedback form that publishes your counterarguments. Sure every documentary is an essay of sorts with inherent biases, but they're also effective forms of communication, despite not having space for your refutations.

" Individuals act independently all the time. "

ALWAYS under some forms of governance, whether we want it or not. There is ZERO escape.

" Hanlon's Razor is a helpful rule for reducing conflict when working with one's in-group. Regarding the Cathedral and humans in general, malice and stupidity are correlated. "

Certainly fair enough.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Snowden leaked in 2013. She moved to Russia in 2014. I've had worse long-distance relationships.

I'm not surprised. When the media was hounding her disapprovingly, she was distant, and he had ghosted her. Then he became a face-famous international badboy, and she followed her heart-breakingly alpha James Bond to the ends of the Earth.

But there's nothing suspicious about that. What was the CIA supposed to do, forbid her from traveling to Russia? Assange had girlfriends visiting him too. Even serial killers get conjugal visits.

I don't think you're smarter than Putin about a guy Putin was sheltering. Putin clearly thought he was an idealistic martyr.

But they didn't. There never was a threat. It was staged. Even his "precautions" were staged.

Bullshit. The USA intelligence service is far from omnipotent abroad, even disturbingly incompetent. IIRC I know the area he was hiding in HK, and it's a good place to hide. The USA's intelligence reach in China and Russia is severely curtailed by superior counterintelligence operations.

Do you know how many legit poor saps have tried to leak like Snowden or Assange? No. We'll never know.

There are several leakers similar to Snowden in prison, and Manning was released. It's not something one gets disappeared for. These are domestically-based US citizens. You're paranoid.

They tell people this is how you don't get caught, use Tor, and all the other stuff - while we follow their lead into their trap.

Maybe TOR is compromised. Compromised is a relative term. Certainly careless enough TOR use is dangerous. I doubt TOR is completely compromised, just heavily monitored. It's like how browser fingerprinting defeats VPN use.

You love video conspiracy theories. They lack rigor.

No one needs MILLION$ to run a website like that. They need decentralized hosting all over the world, sure, but it wouldn't cost millions. Legal fees on the other hand...

I doubt you know what you're talking about there. And so what if they have extra budget to dig for info and to pay legal fees? Viva la resistance.

Fallacious thinking. I'd be a Scientologist because muh Tom Cruise by that logic.

Don't attempt to refute a logical fallacy with another one. I recognize Snowden's personality as authentic because it is similar to mine. If you recognize Tom Cruise's personality as authentic because it's similar to yours, then I'd be concerned that you are a confused maladjusted lunatic like he is.

Documentaries are effective means of rhetorical communication. Effective dialectic is text interspersed with video only when necessary.

ALWAYS under some forms of governance, whether we want it or not. There is ZERO escape.

Nonsense. I live in China, and am free from USG rule. There are huge aspects of my life that the CCP has zero interest in governing. They have almost no interest in anything I say in English. Jurisdictional arbitrage is real, and that is exactly what Snowden employed.

The world is multi-factor, and limited minds who attempt to reduce it to one dominant explanatory factor commonly fail, particularly when they select a factor other than one of the great upstream causes, such as race, IQ and the historical cycle.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't. The bullshit rules and hoops and legal shit for getting a visa and/or green card are ridiculous and take ages. (As a professional Canadian computer animator - without scandal, I've dealt with shit and even gotten stranded across the border - several times - for months.) There's no shortage of strings that may be pulled. IF they wanted to. Snowden's sex life is not the point. The lack of conflict and extra troubles where there could have been is.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Can you prove that it's bullshit? I never said US intelligence was omnipotent, nor competent - but they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills" - and Snowden was not hiding. Ghislane was hiding. Snowden was doing interviews. He could have stayed "Citizenfour". Only Greenwald and Poitras knew his name. He could have handed off the data but they made a moderately convincing documentary about it - AND a fucking feature film.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

Manning is also a limited hangout. People don't need to be disappeared or suicided, though there's certainly no shortage of that. Snowden was merely inconvenienced.

" These are domestically-based US citizens. "

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

" You're paranoid. "

You're not paranoid enough.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy. All you need is enough TOR entrances and exits and you can determine who is sending what - and then you can brute force decrypt it. I agree though and suspect that it's not completely compromised. The government would tell you they control the sun and many would believe they have all the power - but they don't. They are often puffed up and always liars.

" You love video conspiracy theories. "

Truth. I can do other things while listening at 2x-4x speed and glancing when necessary - like reading and learning while multitasking.

" They lack rigor. "

100% Bullshit Prove me wrong. Tell me what is not thoroughly rigorous in "_ The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh" or "_A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995". They are among the best of the best. Certainly both are far superior to "Citizenfour" upon which the fundamentals of this conversation are in question.

" I doubt you know what you're talking about there. "

Perhaps you are correct. However I'll stick by what I've heard elsewhere repeatedly and say WikiLeaks doesn't need million$ to exist.

I agree, viva la revolucion! I'd rather limited hangout WikiLeaks have million$ than the MSM.

" confused maladjusted lunatic "

LOL. Sad but true. Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

Not everything needs to be an "effective dialectic". Time for you to watch those 2 docs and decide how effective they are.

" I live in China, and am free from USG rule. There are huge aspects of my life that the CCP has zero interest in governing. They have almost no interest in anything I say in English. Jurisdictional arbitrage is real, and that is exactly what Snowden employed. "

Just because your government doesn't micromanage everything you do doesn't mean you're not always under some forms of government. You may have freedom and autonomy but you are not in an autonomous zone.

My uncle lived in China for about 20 years, but got old and sickly, and moved back to Victoria, BC, Canada. He loved it there and would go back if he could. I would have liked to have visited, but I was always busy.

" The world is multi-factor "

Exactly. As I said, "the game is played on MANY levels."

" the great upstream causes "

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

Go on believing in your fake Snowden hero. I like what I know of him. But I don't like the lies. Your faith is wasted on a cardboard cutout, but he's certainly one of the better ones.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't.

You're nuts. The US had no say about whether she can go to Russia. Technically they could drone strike her, and technically you're exhibiting signs of mental illness. She had nothing to do with it, she committed no crime, so she was free to go.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Yeah it's always wheels within wheels with you types, inventing epicycles to deny the obvious. Heliocentrism is just one cosmic conspiracy!

they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills"

No, they have none of those things. Ridiculous.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

No the Zionists and corporations do not rule China, THE CCP RULES CHINA YOU MADMAN

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

Ah so you don't grasp how US civil liberties work. Canadian. Your comprehension of the USA is cartoonish.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy.

False. Lying about basic cybersecurity stuff is nuts.

Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

False. Both of their personalities shine through in their interactions. Cruise is obviously disturbed.

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

I mean that you are way too excited about the intentional action of intelligence community, Cabal, Zionists etc, and greatly underestimating major causal forces outside of that. For example idealism and even civic religion motivated Snowden's actions. Religion is a prime mover in human affairs. Your conspiracy theory that it is all conspiratorial gears rather than genuine sentiment is an ahistorical lie.

I don't care about Snowden or follow him or have faith in him. I observed him as an interesting psychological case study and then lost interest.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You're nuts.

I guess your limit was reached, your reality threatened, and/or you got tired and decided to get disrespectful. Suddenly you sound like a shill. They always start patient and understanding, then turn gnarly and vicious. Does that tactic actually work on people?

Yeah it's always wheels within wheels with you types, inventing epicycles to deny the obvious. Heliocentrism is just one cosmic conspiracy!

Because you can't see the wheels within wheels doesn't mean they don't exist. You might have an argument that it's much like blind faith in God - except God's actions are completely random. The house of God proves nothing. The tax-funded houses of ALL the countless secret agencies and their employees may be a mystery to most of us, but their results are anything but random as they admit to infiltrating, subverting, and overthrowing countless nations in wars, proxy wars, operations, programs, psyops, and propagand. Less than random, their results ALWAYS favour the ruling class and their deep state.

they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills"
No, they have none of those things. Ridiculous.

So you buy into all of MSM except that?

Who prints the money?

Who is admittedly sniffing up all communications?

Now who's being ridiculous?

No the Zionists and corporations do not rule China, THE CCP RULES CHINA YOU MADMAN

Yale's Skull & Bones backed the Maoist Revolution and they've remained in control. Look it up and learn something.

https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Yale's+Skull+&+Bones+backed+the+Maoist+Revolution

Further, most of the world is completely dominated by central banking, and above the authority of all the nations and all the banks is the B.I.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements (Shaped like a boot, "stomping on the face of humanity forever".)

What nations do/did not have central banks? All of "our enemies": Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, etc etc etc.

Ah so you don't grasp how US civil liberties work. Canadian. Your comprehension of the USA is cartoonish.

I've lived in the US for about 10 years and looked across the water at Detroit for another 30 years off an on. I know the USA. I've even made your USA cartoons. I am a professional animator and have lived in NYC, Austin, San Franciso, Oakland, Seattle, etc. I've also consumed too much of your propaganda until I actually delved into alternative media. Maybe it's time for you to wake up from your own cartoon.

False. Lying about basic cybersecurity stuff is nuts.

It's not nuts, it's warning people. TOR is not basic, and it's not secure. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Prove me wrong and change my mind. You've provided zero links to support your attacks.

False. Both of their personalities shine through in their interactions. Cruise is obviously disturbed.

Tom Cruise is a fucking professional actor. You have no idea what is for show and what is not. Pretending to proves you're either subconsciously ignorant or intentionally ignorant.

I mean that you are way too excited about the intentional action of intelligence community, Cabal, Zionists etc, and greatly underestimating major causal forces outside of that. For example idealism and even civic religion motivated Snowden's actions. Religion is a prime mover in human affairs.

What is the "intelligence community" for if not to shape events and perceptions? What ever "idealism and even civic religion" or other dogmas the Snowden actor projected were intentional to lend gravitas and authenticity to his psyop mission and to server the ruling class and their matrix of rigged systems that form the establishment.

Your conspiracy theory that it is all conspiratorial gears rather than genuine sentiment is an ahistorical lie.

If you want to say so. You've provided NOTHING that disproves what I and /u/Jesus has stated. All you've displayed is obedience and blind faith to the MSM narrative 'cause yur feelz.

I don't care about Snowden or follow him or have faith in him. I observed him as an interesting psychological case study and then lost interest.

Yet you still defend the idea of him.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Yale's Skull & Bones backed the Maoist Revolution and they've remained in control.

Insane. Blocked.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

WTH dude? Really? Are you honestly posting this in good faith? I'm starting to think you are opposing on purpose, so solid is the stuff you are arguing against.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Q used to think that Snowden was CIA, IIRC. If Trump is considering pardoning him, it means that Trump knows Snowden isn't CIA.

You don't know the meaning of the word "solid".

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So many Ad hominems here Leo.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Assange:

9/11 isn't important.

Says 9/11 truth seekers are annoying.

Gets thanked by Netanyahu on twitter.