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[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

it's about time. Snowden is a good guy who exposed horrible crimes of the government--this affects the whole world. He's a hero, not a traitor. It's not like they stopped spying on us, but at least now we know the extent of their reach.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (11 children)

Bravo, the 9 day old coward, blocked me for no good reason so he/she/it/they won't see this.

Snowden is a limited hangout - he revealed NOTHING new, and Glenn Greenwald just handed over all the documents to his Intercept billionaire publisher with less than 10% of the leaks published. Further, Snowden does not condemn Greenwald nor the Intercept for dragging their feet, AND Snowden won't criticize the "official" narrative of 9/11 much less discuss the NDAA 2012 allowing domestic propaganda and psyops in the USA.

[–]BeerBaron 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

he revealed NOTHING new

Can you point me to the document that proved the 5-eyes spying operation prior to Snowden's leaks? And I mean actual links, not just the typical "I'm not here to google shit for you" bullshit. 'Cause if you can't put up, then please, just shut the fuck up.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Can you point me to the document that proved the 5-eyes spying operation

the 5-eyes spying operation

5-eyes spying operation

Bruh, Five Eyes isn't a "spying operation", it's just an intelligence sharing program between five different countries (Australia, Canada, UK, United States, New Zealand), and it's an evolution of the old ACGU (Australia, Canada, Great Britain, United States) program, which has been around for a long time.

There is nothing to "prove", because the existence of ACGU, and then Five Eyes, wasn't actually classified.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

AND Israel, the never mentioned 6th eye. That's why I included it in my /s/Surveillance banner.

You call it intelligence sharing but it's all deep state, shadow government, trade craft, aka, spy craft. Same diff.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A third time...?

[–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Dude, don't get so bent out of shape over getting blocked by someone. And yes, Snowden revealed lots of new info. We already suspected that we the people were being spied on, but the Snowden leaks confirmed it and gave specifics.

Further, Snowden does not condemn Greenwald nor the Intercept for dragging their feet

Wait, a minute ago you said there was nothing new in the leaks. So why would it matter if they took their time if there was nothing new in them anyways? I guess we'll just have to disagree on this point and move on. Snowden said in interviews that he gave the information to them so that they could just choose to release the information that they thought was important, but that wouldn't damage legitimate government intelligence operations. Of course he wouldn't criticize anyone for "dragging their feet", because he wanted them to go through it and only release what was important and not damaging to legitimate operations.

AND Snowden won't criticize the "official" narrative of 9/11 much less discuss the NDAA 2012 allowing domestic propaganda and psyops in the USA.

Maybe because that isn't his wheelhouse? Snowden was an NSA employee that knew the government was illegally spying on its own citizens. Unless he had privileged information about the "truth" of 9/11, why would he comment on it? Same with the 2012 NDAA.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I was striking two issues in one comment. Non-blocked people can repeat what I said to the blocker who may or may not change their mind. When I reply I do it for the benefit of the other user AND always for the lurking audience.

What new info did Snowden reveal?

The whole story is a lie. That's why it matters. If he had this so-called new classified information, then where the hell is it and why are they delaying?

Snowden has never, much less aimed, to "damage legitimate government intelligence operations". This makes him a strawman pretending to be a rebellious hero. He's still working for the government, even if he has to deny it.

Fuck the wheelhouse. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to notice that the 9/11 story is bullshit.

You are defending a spy. A "traitorous" one at that. Worst of all: he's a propped up poser.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There is nothing to add to this, bro.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

LOL, except a couple punctuation tweaks.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Glenn Greenwald just handed over all the documents to his Intercept billionaire publisher with less than 10% of the leaks published

Do you have a source on this? I remember reading it was 3%.

AND Snowden won't criticize the "official" narrative of 9/11

More specifically, he stated on Joe Rogan that 9/11 was made possible because the spy agencies weren't sharing their data with each other, because they were competing for the honour of stopping the attacks and the government funds that come along with it. It isn't as damning as what Julian Assange said (and nothing compared to what Noam Chomsky said, obviously), but still: an intelligence insider like him should know that the failure to intercept three different airplanes on a single day doesn't just happen, it requires the highest echelons of the government to be compromised. (This is regardless of how many planes were actually used in the attacks; Snowden's the one who's sticking to the official narrative so it's curious that he isn't questioning this.)

Edit: owait, you mentioned this elsewhere in this thread.

[–]Entropick 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

comment of the thread, right here. it's so crushingly relevant, it needs blocked rather than considered.

[–]Shadow_Death 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

You know that bothers me about this?blet's say Trump does.... Snowden made a lot of enemies here in the US..... Who is to say that one of them with help him commit suicide?

I'm just not convinced that he wouldn't get killed even if he was pardoned.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Snowden is a celeb for life now. If he needs security he'll get it or it will be arranged. He's part of the their game and will be protected. Further he's non-partisan so that makes him even safer from the typical extremist nut jobs.

If Snowden was a legit threat the CIA would have offed him in Russia. If everyone can "find" him to do TV interviews, since the CIA control the TV I'm sure they could find and dispose of him. The NSA, his "former" work place, sniffs up all the world's traffic anyways. If they could find Ross Ulbricht there's no way Snowden could remain free without permission.

[–]alkhd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ross used an alias linked to his real name to advertise Silk Road.

Ulbricht, agents say, had by then made a number of mistakes that allowed them to tie him to Silk Road, including using the name "altoid" to post messages advertising Silk Road to a forum and then using that same name to post to a Bitcoin forum seeking workers for a Bitcoin startup. In the latter message, "altoid" told would-be job applicants to contact him at rossulbricht@gmail.com

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That story sounds plausible - or it may be a parallel construction.

The point is no one, not Edward, Ross, nor even Ghislaine, can remain hidden - and if they wanted him dead, Snowden would have been dead in 2013.

[–]alkhd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Just pointing out he was very sloppy in the beginning - which would make him quite easy to find if you were actually trying to find him.

Not really disagreeing that they probably could off Snowden if they really really wanted to. The cons probably outweighed the pros / nobody powerful enough cared enough about him.

[–]0rco 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I thought he's a double agent

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

And he couldn't have done this at the start of his presidency? I'm not holding my breath. We'll see if something actually gets signed.

[–]insta 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Donald Trump plans

Is pretty much a useless statement at this point. He has really bad follow through so this could just be red meat for the base if nothing more. It took him almost 2 years to even begin the process of withdrawing from the Paris agreement and even that has a built-in 1 year withdrawal period. So it essentially took him 3 years to do something he railed against relentlessly.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He has really bad follow through

Bingo. It's good to hear this, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen, realistically.

[–]america_first_1776 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I think he's loosening the grip Kushner had over him.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And he couldn't have done this at the start of his presidency?

No, he couldn't. An awful amount of weeding and legal work had to be done in order to get rid of the snakes in his administration, and his wider apparatus

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He got rid of the snakes and brought in other snakes to fill up the swamp to over flowing.

[–]Tarrock 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Note: Trump can't pardon Assange as Assange is not a US Citizen

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Snowden is a DoD backed limited hangout. I will post something in a few months time when I have the time. Or search the blog by Ethan Serone.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Watch as reddit turns this into a Russian conspiracy.

[–]Shadow_Death 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's their EDC. We choose guns the choose Russia.

[–]ManWithABanana 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well Saidit is turning this into a 9/11 conspiracy.

[–]sproketboy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (76 children)

Snowden is a limited hangout - he revealed NOTHING new, and Glenn Greenwald just handed over all the documents to his Intercept billionaire publisher with less than 10% of the leaks published. Further, Snowden does not condemn Greenwald nor the Intercept for dragging their feet, AND Snowden won't criticize the "official" narrative of 9/11 much less discuss the NDAA 2012 allowing domestic propaganda and psyops in the USA.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

As someone who doesn't follow this story, I don't understand most of that, starting with "limited hangout".

Snowden seems like a good guy who suffered for his conscience. I don't think a CIA operative would flee to Putin's Russia while the USA tried to catch him in HK.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

A limited hangout is someone who tells part of the ugly truth, enough to make you stop asking questions despite the fact that there is MUCH more to be revealed.

"I confess I raped my sister." And they take him to jail for a bit, meanwhile he has 14 undiscovered corpses in his basement.

If Snowden was a legit threat the CIA would have offed him in Russia. If everyone can "find" him to do TV interviews, since the CIA control the TV I'm sure they could find and dispose of him. The NSA, his "former" work place, sniffs up all the world's traffic anyways. If they could find Ross Ulbricht, a real hero, there's no way Snowden could remain free without permission.

Snowden is a celeb for life now. That NEVER happens without the approval and support of the MSM. No one gets promoted in Hollywood/media (ie. becomes a household name) unless they are Jewish, related to a multi-multi-millionaire, or related to a senior military or senior intelligence. Very few who have exceptional talent are ever allowed to reach much less last in the spotlight and they absolutely must maintain the status quo.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Limited_hangout - Good but not the best definition.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird - CIA control MSM
https://infogalactic.com/info/Dynamic_silence - Snowden is the opposite.

" Snowden seems like a good guy who suffered for his conscience. "

The Snowden story is the lie we all wish were true. But it's too good to be true and there are no shortage of holes in it when you actually look.

Noam Chomsky and Julian Assange are similarly limited hangouts.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Thanks for the explanation.

Your version still doesn't sound plausible to me. Snowden sacrificed far too much for it to be anything other than genuine. He may have acquired supporters in the CIA after the fact, who didn't want to see him caught. But he didn't torch his life for the CIA, and Putin didn't shelter him for the CIA.

Your theory reminds me of the people who say McVeigh was a fed. Some people go down the intelligence community rabbit hole and see a mastermind conspiracy in everything. But lone wolves are hard to stop, and the Cathedral is a messy priestly collaboration.

Anonymous Conservative is the most prominent* example of someone lost to this form of lunatic paranoia. It affects Vox Day to some degree as well, and even Qanon. Cloak and dagger fails to account for "shit happens" and the idealistic amateur. Speaking as an idealistic amateur, we should not be underestimated.

*most prominent that I follow. I'm sure plenty of people like Alex Jones are much worse.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

" Snowden sacrificed "

LOL

His girlfriend was able to move from Hawaii to Russia with love to join him. He's gotten donations and support, including from WikiLeaks which is also raking in mega bucks when clearly they don't need millions just to run a fucking secure site.

Snowden doesn't sound genuine at all. He's just a far better sounding nerd-bot than Zuck is. Snowden says all the "proper" things without any personality or passion just as he's supposed to.

My "theory" is called facts.

McVeigh was shady as hell. The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh (58:16) ~ corbettreport, 2015-05-11

EVERYTHING is political, and therefore everything is controlled, and therefore everything IS a conspiracy. ESPECIALLY everything military/intelligence. I never said anything about masterminds, they are just pathetic greedy little minds who want to master the universe.

Agreed: Lone wolves are hard to stop. They are everywhere. (Enough lone wolves and you have a revolution.) But the powers that be ONLY promote the lone wolves they want to promote, real, fiction, or a combo.

I highly recommend reading https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Douglas+Valentine+The+CIA+As+Organized+Crime

The CIA has 2 core principles: 1) Gain power (including money, knowledge, influence) by any means, and 2) Always have plausible deniability.

Since you like Vox, perhaps you like https://Infogalactic.com that he founded? It has pros and cons but I like the freedom there with the deep encylopedia.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Hanlon's_razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - This is what they want you to believe as it gives them an easy out and excuse for everything.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"It's just incompetence and blowback."They say!

They want you to think the government corporation are imbeciles when they know the legal truth and are educated in perception management. They are far smarter and use the facade of incompetence to trick you into thinking that it isn't the very system itself that they created which allows them to rule over you. It is! And always will be if people do not wake up to this deception.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hanlon's Razor is their favourite excuse, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" - but why does it always mess up in their favour rather than something more logical like 50% for the ruling class and 50% for the masses?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Iraq war was a total failure says the corporate pundits.

Suuuuuuuuuuure it was; maybe for us, but now for you.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And there are people who made it onto saidit that still fall for that tired old trick? Damn.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

His girlfriend was able to move from Hawaii to Russia with love to join him.

Eventually. For a good while, maybe years, it looked like he'd lose her. Could've easily happened. Had the USA caught him, he'd be rotting in prison with the other leakers, unless he trannified himself. Saying Snowden got away with it, therefore he's a fed, ignores all the poor saps before him who didn't get away with it, who he learned from.

Just like saying McVeigh was a fed because he went overboard blowing up a building with women and children involved, ignores the history of escalation between militias and feds up to that point.

He's gotten donations and support, including from WikiLeaks which is also raking in mega bucks when clearly they don't need millions just to run a fucking secure site.

I don't find it suspicious that people and probably states donate to Wikileaks. They do good work.

Snowden doesn't sound genuine at all.

He does to me because I'm like him.

I generally dismiss video evidence that could've been presented in text form. It is hiding from rebuttal.

EVERYTHING is political, and therefore everything is controlled, and therefore everything IS a conspiracy.

No. Individuals act independently all the time.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Hanlon's Razor is a helpful rule for reducing conflict when working with one's in-group. Regarding the Cathedral and humans in general, malice and stupidity are correlated.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Snowden:

Pushes the 9/11 offical story and blowback theory which is a perception management narrative created by the DoD. His father, also, interestingly, worked in the DoD during 9/11 on the 9/11 phantom planes. If you can believe that. Where's all those Booz alan hamilton documents Snowden?

I'm telling you. They will recruit any low-life, not that Snowden is, to push their narratives. Lots of the people you see interviewed on TV by Cooper or Carlson are criminals out on bonds with new names. They will do anything for money and to push a political agenda.

The media, as Solzhenitsyn stated, is far more powerful than even the government at controlling peception and upon their amalgamation, they become a powerful perception management apparatus.

Who owns the media?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand how anyone could possibly argue with Jason and Jesus on these matters. It's clear as day.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Snowden leaked in 2013. She moved to Russia in 2014. I've had worse long-distance relationships.

" Had the USA caught him... "

But they didn't. There never was a threat. It was staged. Even his "precautions" were staged.

Do you know how many legit poor saps have tried to leak like Snowden or Assange? No. We'll never know. They tell people this is how you don't get caught, use Tor, and all the other stuff - while we follow their lead into their trap. Worse, their information will NEVER be promoted like Snowden was if they should some how find some cracks.

If you think McVeigh blew up that building you're very ignorant of the facts. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=A+Noble+Lie Watch it. The militia thing is a whole other powder keg.

WikiLeaks has done good work. But they are a limited hangout.

No one needs MILLION$ to run a website like that. They need decentralized hosting all over the world, sure, but it wouldn't cost millions. Legal fees on the other hand...

" He does [sound genuine] to me because I'm like him. "

Fallacious thinking. I'd be a Scientologist because muh Tom Cruise by that logic.

" I generally dismiss video evidence that could've been presented in text form. It is hiding from rebuttal. "

Nonsense. There are comment sections and forums. A published book, magazine, or newspaper doesn't have a feedback form that publishes your counterarguments. Sure every documentary is an essay of sorts with inherent biases, but they're also effective forms of communication, despite not having space for your refutations.

" Individuals act independently all the time. "

ALWAYS under some forms of governance, whether we want it or not. There is ZERO escape.

" Hanlon's Razor is a helpful rule for reducing conflict when working with one's in-group. Regarding the Cathedral and humans in general, malice and stupidity are correlated. "

Certainly fair enough.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Snowden leaked in 2013. She moved to Russia in 2014. I've had worse long-distance relationships.

I'm not surprised. When the media was hounding her disapprovingly, she was distant, and he had ghosted her. Then he became a face-famous international badboy, and she followed her heart-breakingly alpha James Bond to the ends of the Earth.

But there's nothing suspicious about that. What was the CIA supposed to do, forbid her from traveling to Russia? Assange had girlfriends visiting him too. Even serial killers get conjugal visits.

I don't think you're smarter than Putin about a guy Putin was sheltering. Putin clearly thought he was an idealistic martyr.

But they didn't. There never was a threat. It was staged. Even his "precautions" were staged.

Bullshit. The USA intelligence service is far from omnipotent abroad, even disturbingly incompetent. IIRC I know the area he was hiding in HK, and it's a good place to hide. The USA's intelligence reach in China and Russia is severely curtailed by superior counterintelligence operations.

Do you know how many legit poor saps have tried to leak like Snowden or Assange? No. We'll never know.

There are several leakers similar to Snowden in prison, and Manning was released. It's not something one gets disappeared for. These are domestically-based US citizens. You're paranoid.

They tell people this is how you don't get caught, use Tor, and all the other stuff - while we follow their lead into their trap.

Maybe TOR is compromised. Compromised is a relative term. Certainly careless enough TOR use is dangerous. I doubt TOR is completely compromised, just heavily monitored. It's like how browser fingerprinting defeats VPN use.

You love video conspiracy theories. They lack rigor.

No one needs MILLION$ to run a website like that. They need decentralized hosting all over the world, sure, but it wouldn't cost millions. Legal fees on the other hand...

I doubt you know what you're talking about there. And so what if they have extra budget to dig for info and to pay legal fees? Viva la resistance.

Fallacious thinking. I'd be a Scientologist because muh Tom Cruise by that logic.

Don't attempt to refute a logical fallacy with another one. I recognize Snowden's personality as authentic because it is similar to mine. If you recognize Tom Cruise's personality as authentic because it's similar to yours, then I'd be concerned that you are a confused maladjusted lunatic like he is.

Documentaries are effective means of rhetorical communication. Effective dialectic is text interspersed with video only when necessary.

ALWAYS under some forms of governance, whether we want it or not. There is ZERO escape.

Nonsense. I live in China, and am free from USG rule. There are huge aspects of my life that the CCP has zero interest in governing. They have almost no interest in anything I say in English. Jurisdictional arbitrage is real, and that is exactly what Snowden employed.

The world is multi-factor, and limited minds who attempt to reduce it to one dominant explanatory factor commonly fail, particularly when they select a factor other than one of the great upstream causes, such as race, IQ and the historical cycle.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't. The bullshit rules and hoops and legal shit for getting a visa and/or green card are ridiculous and take ages. (As a professional Canadian computer animator - without scandal, I've dealt with shit and even gotten stranded across the border - several times - for months.) There's no shortage of strings that may be pulled. IF they wanted to. Snowden's sex life is not the point. The lack of conflict and extra troubles where there could have been is.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Can you prove that it's bullshit? I never said US intelligence was omnipotent, nor competent - but they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills" - and Snowden was not hiding. Ghislane was hiding. Snowden was doing interviews. He could have stayed "Citizenfour". Only Greenwald and Poitras knew his name. He could have handed off the data but they made a moderately convincing documentary about it - AND a fucking feature film.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

Manning is also a limited hangout. People don't need to be disappeared or suicided, though there's certainly no shortage of that. Snowden was merely inconvenienced.

" These are domestically-based US citizens. "

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

" You're paranoid. "

You're not paranoid enough.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy. All you need is enough TOR entrances and exits and you can determine who is sending what - and then you can brute force decrypt it. I agree though and suspect that it's not completely compromised. The government would tell you they control the sun and many would believe they have all the power - but they don't. They are often puffed up and always liars.

" You love video conspiracy theories. "

Truth. I can do other things while listening at 2x-4x speed and glancing when necessary - like reading and learning while multitasking.

" They lack rigor. "

100% Bullshit Prove me wrong. Tell me what is not thoroughly rigorous in "_ The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh" or "_A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995". They are among the best of the best. Certainly both are far superior to "Citizenfour" upon which the fundamentals of this conversation are in question.

" I doubt you know what you're talking about there. "

Perhaps you are correct. However I'll stick by what I've heard elsewhere repeatedly and say WikiLeaks doesn't need million$ to exist.

I agree, viva la revolucion! I'd rather limited hangout WikiLeaks have million$ than the MSM.

" confused maladjusted lunatic "

LOL. Sad but true. Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

Not everything needs to be an "effective dialectic". Time for you to watch those 2 docs and decide how effective they are.

" I live in China, and am free from USG rule. There are huge aspects of my life that the CCP has zero interest in governing. They have almost no interest in anything I say in English. Jurisdictional arbitrage is real, and that is exactly what Snowden employed. "

Just because your government doesn't micromanage everything you do doesn't mean you're not always under some forms of government. You may have freedom and autonomy but you are not in an autonomous zone.

My uncle lived in China for about 20 years, but got old and sickly, and moved back to Victoria, BC, Canada. He loved it there and would go back if he could. I would have liked to have visited, but I was always busy.

" The world is multi-factor "

Exactly. As I said, "the game is played on MANY levels."

" the great upstream causes "

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

Go on believing in your fake Snowden hero. I like what I know of him. But I don't like the lies. Your faith is wasted on a cardboard cutout, but he's certainly one of the better ones.

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While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't.

You're nuts. The US had no say about whether she can go to Russia. Technically they could drone strike her, and technically you're exhibiting signs of mental illness. She had nothing to do with it, she committed no crime, so she was free to go.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Yeah it's always wheels within wheels with you types, inventing epicycles to deny the obvious. Heliocentrism is just one cosmic conspiracy!

they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills"

No, they have none of those things. Ridiculous.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

No the Zionists and corporations do not rule China, THE CCP RULES CHINA YOU MADMAN

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

Ah so you don't grasp how US civil liberties work. Canadian. Your comprehension of the USA is cartoonish.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy.

False. Lying about basic cybersecurity stuff is nuts.

Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

False. Both of their personalities shine through in their interactions. Cruise is obviously disturbed.

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

I mean that you are way too excited about the intentional action of intelligence community, Cabal, Zionists etc, and greatly underestimating major causal forces outside of that. For example idealism and even civic religion motivated Snowden's actions. Religion is a prime mover in human affairs. Your conspiracy theory that it is all conspiratorial gears rather than genuine sentiment is an ahistorical lie.

I don't care about Snowden or follow him or have faith in him. I observed him as an interesting psychological case study and then lost interest.

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Assange:

9/11 isn't important.

Says 9/11 truth seekers are annoying.

Gets thanked by Netanyahu on twitter.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

Wow - Snowden really gets you going doesn't he ?

All I see from this guy is an intelligent man who did what he thought he needed to do, fled the country, and has to be super disappointed in what happened afterwards. I've read a ton of your comments and I'm not getting what your problem is with him.

Edit : I see now. You think he's a CIA asset. Did I get it right ?

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Part 1- Rant on government PsyOps and Snowden among other crap


Before the Edward Snowdon "revelations," James Bamford, an intelligence asset, limited hangout pusher and book peddler "exposed" the NSA's future $2 billion data center which would be used to store:

"...all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital ‘pocket litter.’”

The source for this quote above by the Wire was:

...one unnamed former NSA official... [Fuck you, "he's" anonymous, this isn't a desensitization campaign /s.]

The source states:

“Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”

...i.e. "revelations" before the Edward Snowden "revelations" reveal that everyone is a target. Later, I will analyze Bamford's curious connections.

https://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

Narratives like these are always utilized or authored by the intelligence agencies, broadcasted through various mediums to desensitize the public to accept 1984 style surveillance, which, fortunately for them, the people willingly accepted by purchasing their digital devices and using their convenient communication channels. That means you! Yeah you, the one reading this.

These methods can be classified under the Department of Defense's perception management scheme or managing perception through various means, tactics and operations, particularly through limited hangout campaigns.

In the realm of intelligence spooks and psychological operations, Sarah Bajc, the girlfriend of an alleged MH370 victim, believes that MH370 was "kidnapped and is still intact." Maybe she is right—as a conspiracy theoretician mind would want to believe. Maybe this plane was used as the other Malaysian airliner, redressed, that just so happened to fly off course and be "shot down by Russian Separatists" over Ukraine as the official sanctioned story purports—a pretext for various geopolitical agendas. Or maybe, just maybe, there is another reason built into the narrative; a reason not unlike Benghazi mom Pat Smith's cause, that is to acquire answers whilst propagandizing all the cut-and-paste government sanctioned narratives one could think of. Maybe that's it!

For a comparison, here is the broad Pat Smith pleading her case on corporate news, as she often does:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=NSjtdjS5Hoc

Smith says she lost her alleged son in the alleged Benghazi attacks on the convenient date of 9/11/2012.

She reminisced:

Ya know, it's funny, I just realized...

[13 years later? LMFAO.]

...this afternoon that my son, the one...

[The one?]

...that was killed in Benghazi...

[Remember to prepare scheme in perception management accordingly; Smith, "can you do that? Can you please just read the script we give you and not fuck up this time." Said an unnamed former intelligence official familiar with person's thinking.]

...was actually the one...

[Actually the one? But he wasn't but wait for what she says next...]

...that took over the airplanes when they were grounded, when the original 9/11 hit the towers.

[LMFAO! How convenient it is Mrs. Smith that all this is connected, it almost reminds me of Snowdon whose father did DoD backed investigative work on the 9/11 phantom planes which will be further detailed at a later time. Also, a date cannot hit anything; you screwed up your lines.]

What this larp mom is trying to say is that she realized that her "actual" son (the "one" who probably isn't her son and was probably not killed in Benghazi) was also the son who took over the grounded airplanes on 9/11/2001 (probably did not) when the drones hit the towers.

The convenient date of 9/11/2012 intermingled with 9/11/2001 can not be a coincidence.

Clearly she is trying to push the hijacker theory, which is of course a lie, as evidenced by Elias Davidsson and Graeme MacQueen.

This operation is what is called schema in DoD perception management tactics. Watching this interview, it is clear that she is lying and reading a script. And you'd think CNN wouldn't want this women to speak because of her strong distaste for Hillary Clinton but think again. Why? Because it is all theater meant to lead you on wild goose chases when the entire narrative is fabricated including the limited hangout conspiracies they push out. But once you understand all these interviews and events are psyops, then everything makes a lot more sense.

Basically, Smith is tasked with using the schema tactic in perception management, i.e. connecting past propaganda with present propaganda to form a historical lie forever. All you really need is a hobo or an ex. convict who has zero conscious and can do it for a buck. Just give them a script and let them act on TV. Chris Hurst played it well as well as the entire cast, and I mean the entirety of all witnesses and those "injured" at the PULSE Nightclub PsyOp, of whom all just so happened to be ex. convicts out on bond or D-film actors from Pedowood.

And that reminds me of Sarah Bajc who allegedly lost her boyfriend March 8th 2014 in the missing Malaysian phantom plane, who also on her twitter shills the Pulse Nightclub PsyOp. I guess conman and intelligence spooks really do show up in droves to pander to themselves and for those hard to find greenbacks.

So, in conclusion Pat Smith's alleged son who allegedly dies on 9/11/2012 because of lack of security, as Smith contends, was also the guy that just so happened to be in command of the grounded planes on 9/11/2001 for security reasons that Pat Smith only now realized this afternoon, 13 years later.

How people can not see through this stupid psyop and script is beyond me.

So, what does Sarah Bajc have to do with Snowdon?

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That's a massive cut n paste. I would be churlish not to read it.

the people willingly accepted by purchasing their digital devices..... That means you! Yeah you, the one reading this.

Don't presume to know my acceptance of the surveillance state or not. Hint : Some things you just can't do too much about.

For a comparison, here is the broad Pat Smith pleading her case on corporate news, as she often does: Smith says she lost her alleged son in the alleged Benghazi attacks

We've moved from Snowden to Benghazi ? And Pat has an "alleged" son ? I see what's going on here now.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This reiteration and perpetual doubling down on fake history is a perfect example of how the exaggerations, myths, and lies of the Holocaust prevail so much - always in sooooo many movies and TV shows. Another example is the idea that the US Civil War was to free slaves - it certainly wasn't.

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Part 2


Firstly, Sarah Bajc is in all probability a CIA asset, who curiously referenced a known CIA asset Valerie Plame and NSA asset Snowden in the article referenced below.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/new-twist-in-mh370-search-points-to-giant-cover-up-say-family-members

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame

For references on the economic toll the MH370 psychological operation (PsyOp) caused consider that Australians spent half a million dollars a day looking for this plane, I guess they just had to borrow more money for their dying economy. A PsyOp will at least keep the debt afloat.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/imf-warns-of-90bn-debt-rescue/story-e6frg926-1226879353647#

http://www.afr.com/p/national/imf_says_budget_fall_fastest_of_nreHL5ZcDI84gjokyEAp6H

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/hockey-warns-budget-cuts-will-be-widely-spread/5380136

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fm/2014/01/pdf/fm1401.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2014/jun/02/australia-soft-landing-could-be-bumpier

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/slow-retailing-not-down-confidence-064709287.html

The secrecy surrounding Bajc's allegedly dead boyfriend Phillip Wood, does not mean or prove that he and his fiancé are "crisis actors" though there is a high probability and they probably are.

Nevertheless, the facts point to his status as a tech-security agent for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

https://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/1395952528000-xxx-sarah-bajc.jpg

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2014/05/29/new-twist-in-mh370-search-points-to-giant-cover-up-say-family-members/678025

In many ways, the romantic link between Wood and Bajc as tech-security experts was similar to the relationship between CIA counter-proliferation agent Valerie Plame, who Bajc referenced and Ambaassador Joe Wilson. By no odd coincidence, the opponent of both brainy couples was the same: Israel along with its Likud aligned neoconservative operatives in the Pentagon. In Valerie's case, knowing her intelligence connections with the CIA and Mossad, she had recently posted a tweet that argued that all American Jews were responsible for the middle-eastern wars. The agenda? That of a counter-proliferation tactic of which Valerie is tasked with operating. That is to anger the entirety of Jews and further give the neoconservatives leverage to criticize anyone who even utters a word about their malfeasance and warcrimes of which they hide behind Jewishness. Do you see it? A double-edged sword; a word game they are playing us with! Valerie's counter-proliferation campaign would also, conveniently, aid in the Zionist cause by instilling fear in the Jew of a future pogrom thus persuading them to emigrate to Israel. Classic!

Philip Wood, Bajc's alleged boyfriend, worked for IBM and Sarah Bajc is a member of the American-Israel Chamber of Commerce (AICC) as of the 2005-06 year. Classic!

Bajc was managing director at Telecom (USA) software systems testing, inc., and Hagit Ashkenazi at TI Telecom and Business Director of Microsoft China.

http://archive.is/boe5A

https://pa.linkedin.com/in/sbajc

https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Hagit-Ashkenazi/999223192

Hagit Ashkenazi Azrieli Center is located at 26 Harukmin St., Holon, Tel Aviv, Israel. Its parent company is Sapiens International Corporation, a publicly traded company, headquartered in Israel.

Sapiens founder is Tsvi Misinai. A renown Israeli author who writes, paraphrasing:

Then, the establishment of modern Israel by world Jewry (having transpired to the detriment of the Palestinians) transformed the topic of Hebrew origin into a blemish of liability, ultimately becoming the object of outright hostility.

He contends that todays Palestinians are, ironically, overwhelmingly the descendants of Jews and other forced converts to Islam.

Misinai and his following thus deny any existence of the Palestinian people as separate to Israel's ethnostate or the Jewish people. He defines the Palestinian people as an utter fabrication.

Wherever then one looks, whatever one may be researching, it appears, the issue always circles back to Israel and the so-called "Palestinian question." Misinai plays a deceiving semantic game that would force Palestinians to assimilate with Israeli Jews into Israel via a one state solution without obtaining any political rights. Because, according to Misinai, the Palestinians have no national identity and are thus not developed enough to claim land as their own, they must then obtain, through what he terms so-called "modernism" of territorial claims, a national identity, that of Israeli—solution that would completely obliterate what little left would exist of the Palestinian people if a one state solution was achieved on Misinai's terms.

Misinai surmises that because Palestinians refuse this integration into a Jewish ethnostate, because, according to him, nearly all Palestinians were formerly Jews many hundreds of years ago, that this is what prevents their liberation and preserves their enslavement within an occupation by a false Arab identity. That they truly need to embrace Jewishness and the Israel ethnostate because historically they were Jewish is preposterous.

In short, he purports that they most embrace Jewishness and serve in the IDF to become citizens, if not, they will be deemed enemies.

If Palestinians possess historical rights to Israel it would not be on Misinai's terms let alone the terms of a Jewish ethnostate that imprisons Palestinians on longer sentences without due process for petty crimes than if an Israeli Jew was to murder a Palestinian. Misinai fails to realize that Israel was never a Jewish state in antiquity.

This "one state" integrates Israel proper with the West Bank and Gaza Strip as one territorial unit, while the "one people" consists of both groups being bound and re-defined as one united Israeli-Hebrew nation. In a cloak-and-dagger way this parallels the Likud's information war against a real 'one state solution' where Palestinians have full political autonomy or even a two state solution giving Palestinians full rights.

Hence, the ethnic ideology of revisionist Zionism which is a fairly new concept and was not a notable principle in Orthodox Judaism, except for biblical zealots who used a former ideology not unlike political zionism to plunder and pillage the land of their enemies for Jewish gain, now want to cleanse the Palestinian people of their identity to justify their integration into Israel. Only then, according to Misinai, can they receive full political benefits.

Classic!

The erasure of the Palestinian people is all the more dispicable when you take into account that the Jewish ethnostate disregards Palestinian Christians or even Jewish converts to Cheistianity.

Take for instance, Vanunu:

Eileen Fleming, a civilian journalist interviewed Vanunu in 2005 and 2006 In June 2005 Vanunu told me:

“My human rights have been denied me because I am a Christian. When I was on trial, I was treated just like a Palestinian: no human rights at all, and cruel and unusual punishment, all because I told the truth. The government spread slander about me, that I was a homosexual, that I hated Jews, that I wanted fame and money. What I did was sacrifice my life for the truth. In prison, I really began to feel like Jesus and Paul. When Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple, it was like me in Dimona, exposing the Israelis’ dirty secrets. I felt like Paul, being thrown in prison for speaking the truth.

“In Israel, a life sentence is twenty-five years. Even murderers go free after seventeen. They imposed the same restrictions on me that Palestinians receive: no human rights at all; no phone; no visitors, except family, and only through an iron grill; no vacation; no holidays; and no gifts.

“Even murderers get out for vacations! I was locked up for eighteen years and still cannot go on vacation; I cannot leave, and that is all I am asking for, just to leave here. For eighteen years in prison, they even attempted to control my thoughts on paper. I would write exactly what I wanted and they would censor words like kidnapped and atomic bomb. They would show me how they chopped up my letters, but I continued to write exactly what I wanted. They held my body, but never my spirit or mind.”-“KEEP HOPE ALIVE” page 118


A rabbi who praised Misanai's book wrote:

...one's origins influence his views and these influence over the generations his origins. It turns out that some method of a minimal merger of the two, with a strong emphasis on the mental and idological ingredient in order to determine if one belongs to the Jewish brotherhood that according to the Halakha is the base for the right to live in the Holy Land.

Meaning, if you belong to the "Jewish Brotherhood," details of which he never states, then you have the right to live in the ethno-state.

...and another:

The solution to this endless fighting is to reunite the Palestinians with the Jews their brothers. [...] They must also serve in the Israel defense forces.

That last bit is quite ironic and hilarious. Nevertheless, Misinai owns the parent company of Hagit Ashkenazi that Sarah Bajc manages. She spends so much time being on the boards of so many organizations that it's any wonder she has time to do real work. Bajc also served for three years on the Advisory Board for the US Government Technology Counsel.

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Are there any good documentaries (or short solid articles) about the Likudniks/Likuds, their history, ideology, distinctions, opponents, etc? Seems like there should be. I feel like I don't know enough about them specifically. Being a taboo topic it's not prevalent much and Adam Green doesn't get into it much, though Joseph Atwill and Tim Kelly do at times.

This is a wide stray from Snowden.

Crazy that murderers get vacations from prison.

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It is a wide stray, but it was more context concerning just how far PsyOp's can go. I had to give examples of agents.

There was a few taken off youtube.

Maybe search archive.org; I have some saved. I'll look them up and link them to you. Most of what I know comes from books, and there are many good books.

I'm sure there are documentaries on the origins on the Irgun and Lehi. The BBC made one, but whitewashed their terror acts.

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Part 3 - MuckRacker Rants


On one up to date website it says she enjoys sports, music and spending time with her husband and three children.

She has all the hallmarks of an undercover CIA operative. Her home in Georgia was valued at almost $700,000 a few years ago. That kind of financial status is a far cry from her own description of herself as being a "backpacker". The articles surrounding her appear to be a mishmash of emotional drivel. Arousing all the mundane tasks of a laboring Christian or in other biographies, a warm-hearted western backpacker. As if the writers were given a checklist to checkoff from higher ups.

In nearly all psychological operations where assets are used to push limited hangouts and manage perception, these assets describe themselves as “christians” and happen to be Americans.

In a blog referenced here called 'earthinggb' and quoted until further notice, we read:

Meanwhile, Philip is described thus:

In a prepared statement to the media, the Wood family described Philip Wood as "incredibly generous, creative and intelligent.”

"Phil cared about people, his family, and above all, Christ,” they said in the statement. “Though our hearts are hurting, we know so many families around the world are affected just as much as us by this terrible tragedy. We ask for your prayers, not only for ourselves, but for all involved during this difficult time.”

Also, ask yourself why all corporate media agencies are allowing Bajc to speak her mind, ask yourself too, why they give Snowdon a platform? Fox, the BBC, CNN, ABC news, etc. Are we really to believe that Bajc made it past the media censors? They have a seven second delay and could have easily cutout Bajc's references to a grand cover-up that everyone has eaten up. It is almost as if they wanted these questions aired.

We know the corporate media has lied to us and covered-up 9/11 and has been complicit in the biggest false flag crimes of the past century. In this context, it seems reasonable to conclude that Bajc is a player in intelligence theater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1zNy-5ESos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zVor7e8Jw0

In the former BBC video link above:

Bajc states:

"Oops! That’s the wrong place.”

Then;

"It’s just like a magician playing tricks on the audience."

Then;

"That must be incredibly difficult for you emotionally?”

...and watch our Sarah – can she put on the teary act all of a sudden? No. That would just be a little too “prompted” and obvious and the question has thrown her a bit of a curve ball.

"Ah..it..it..it’s frustrating!”

Frustrating? Not “Yes it is….” as she let’s by a little smile as if her real knowledge of her lack of a need to be emotionally affected has dawned on her and she let’s her guard slip.

Watch Danica Weeks (as she speaks about that wonderful, heart-wrenching story – perfect drama) hold onto her prop (her wedding ring) displaying it to the world.

...“amazing…amazing” she says – I was a father like she describes and it never made me amazing. He’s ex army (notice she then trips over her words just after this as if she thought “damn it, I never meant to say that”) but while there is the squeaky, croaky voice and the pained expression and sniffs, there is not a single tear. Eyes as dry as a kangaroo on a barbie on a Brisbane midsummer’s day.

Add all of this to the two South African girls’s story about sharing the cockpit with the co-pilot 2 years ago and the fact that that is now a proven lie and add the innumerable “leads” and “leaked information” given by a score of “unnamed sources” which then go dead but do the job of confusing the entire picture, i.e. perception management. Add the photos of the “stolen passports Iranians” with the same legs, and you have the typical CIA-Mossad PsyOp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gdPjarz4g

Look at their placards in the video thumbnail above. A good number of them all, obviously, having been made/designed by a single source. This is managed. Think about any large protest in the UK (or anywhere) where it has been honestly grassroots. There are very few I admit but there have been some. They tend not to have a “brand design” of placard or flags or whatever. The Trade Union managed protests and “official type” protests do however. These people protesting the Malaysian embassy in Beijing have been put together by a controlling element. No doubt about it. There is a whole lot more as you know but, with all of it, it is quite clear that this entire event is another “Sandy Hook”. It is stage managed from start to finish. These people can snigger at fooling so many but sorry, it ain’t working on me. It’s another “9/11” while now we’re being told they may never find the wreckage and there may never be an answer. The PERFECT place for them to say the plane went down is where they say it did and that is for their purpose. Just like Bin Laden and his “watery grave”.

End Quote

https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/mh370-left-behind/

Of course, Bajc believes the authorities (Malaysian) are lying. To note, Malaysian authorities have been quite "anti-Semitic" as the narratives goes, against Israel and Zionism.

If she talks about anything but those Indian Ocean islands it takes the attention away from it or maybe the entire event is a fabrication from start to the eventual finish. With only one American adult on the passenger manifest she is essentially the mouthpiece for America's involvement in the case.

So, what appears now evident is that Sarah Bajc is either the most selfish "mourner" I have ever seen or on a lot of hallucinogens, and I am far from alone in this opinion. She seems to be loving the spotlight and has disregarded the "grief timeline" as all agents do. Never have I seen a "grieving" person so in love with TV's media attention. She calls her man a companion or partner, never using anything with heart. She never said once she loved him, never seemed to cry for him, and only at first brought up the fact of his children that did love him.

According to one civilian journalist, he writes:

Been around a lot of major tragedies as part of my line of work, and I know we all grieve differently, but never seen someone like her. She always goes straight to "I" and "me." I'm from NY and knew many first responders of 9-11-2001. No victims' family member has ever acted like her. No first responders that were there act like her. [EXCEPT FOR INTELLIGENCE SPOOK ALICE HOAGLAND and her gay Rugby playing son Mark Bingham.] After the many FD and first responder memorials I just attended the other day I felt a strong sense of anger towards this woman after seeing her most recent "TV Time..."

And we must remember, "Wood's" hilarious text message posted on 4chan, of all places, that Bajc claimed wasn't Phil who sent it. How would she know? Would she not at least want the American government to investigate it? But, no, she just accepted what the American government said when they said that the text message was not from her husband. Sort of like how Alice Hoagland propagandized the official government conspiracy theory narrative the day of 9/11 after her son allegedly died on Flight 93. She too skipped the grief timeline and decided instead to conduct numerous interviews displaying duping delight and stating:

I trust them [Department of Defense and State Department] implicitly.

Not only did Bajc accept, straight away, what the American government said, she started telling people online, who thought that the text message was from Phil, that the message was not from her husband, and even if the text message was a fabrication from the very beginning (which it probably was), it certainly gives Bajc away. I know that if I had a missing relative, and a message came through claiming to be that missing relative, I'd be really looking into it and no way would I say it is a fake message straight away.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/27/sarah-bacj-malaysia-airlines-missing-partner-philip-wood-texas/6961903/

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limited hangouts

I have noticed that when technical terms like this are used, and the audience (me, and others) have no idea what they mean, and then they keep getting used, the story becomes less believable.

What I'm getting from context is a "limited hangout" is an intelligence agency revealing some, unimportant, details to the public. This is to make the public think that's the whole story. And I guess Snowden is one - okay.

What was always obvious to me was that Snowden was going to be wrong about some pieces of his story. Whatever he knew, it wasn't the complete picture. There's probably more going on than we all heard about, powerpoints and all the rest notwithstanding. None of that detracts from the critical message he tried to push out.

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Part 4 - More crap about da' PsyOp crap


Bajc says:

"From all the Malaysian people I’ve talked to, with some connection to the military, believe this was a Malaysian military operation of some sort".

And there it is!

Earthlinggd concludes:

The whole event of MH370 however: What a narrative! It’ll make a great blockbuster movie in a few years. I am now of a mind that there are two possible scenarios: 1. The flight never existed and 2. Diego Garcia (but not “Philip Wood sticking a phone up his ass. THAT, to me is pure disinfo perhaps to use as a “hook” to say “People that suggest DG are crazy”). This “independent journalist, “Jim Stone” is total disinfo in my view. One thing: I had never heard of him until now and another, he’s proffering this total crap.

In conclusion: It is bonkers.

https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/mh370-left-behind/

fuck James Bamford


  • Intelligence spook, NSA backed limited hangout, fails 9/11 litmus test.

fuck Snowden


  • DoD backed, limited "desensitization " hangout agent.

Does the Pulitzer Prize go to persons who are genuinely exposing the incorporated political-economic system? No. Is Snowden's behavior suspicious? Let us find out.

In a simple overview, this is how counterintelligence limited hangouts work. They, intelligence agencies, use myriad alternative media assets to spin narratives to control dissent and perception. That is the psychological operation.

One such suspected counterintelligence narrative to research is the exposure of the Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO):

FBI never solved the burglary resulting in the exposure of its secret counterintelligence program COINTELPRO..."

Could it be that that exposure was a counterintelligence operation? That's for you to research.

https://archive.org/details/FBI-MEDBURG-COINTELPRO

The "holographic" Snowden "shills official 9/11 lie" interview—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA9KaeyFEMc

Linked above is a limited hangout PsyOp interview reinforcing the government's official 9/11 lies...

Preserving the 'real hijackers' myth are we now Snowden? These were merely bait trails in the form of informants on missions used as patsies. Read Graeme MacQueen or Elias Davidsson for a detailed analysis on the hijacking myth. Snowden, nevertheless, thinks otherwise. Therefore, this interview alone illustrates where Snowden's loyalties lie; that of a controlled opposition engaging in a limited hangout operation.

What would the purpose be to have the intelligence asset Snowden placed on the world stage, and interviewed by corporate media; well here it is. It is his purpose to foster belief that 9/11 and all other terrorists acts and their official narratives are "real," authentic or are simply backlash in order to instill more fear of a mythological enemy. Furthermore, Snowden claims the all too common "intelligence failure" canard; generally uttered from the mouths of limited hangout assets, a tactic that successfully diverts attention away from the fact that there was, during 9/11, and still is today, a criminal conspiracy to destroy a country with media complicity.

Ask yourself this: If Snowden was really blowing the whistle would he be given such a main stream platform by the major media corporations, knowing where their loyalties lie; in Operation Mockingbird land? No, he would not.

Real whistleblowers/dissidents/renegades are victims of two bullets to the head or murder-suicides or car accidents with no eyewitnesses.

"CNN dedicating one-third of every broadcast hour of airtime to the birth, life and miracles of Edward Snowden..." should raise some red flags.

So, when you observe Snowden glance down (to check his script) and say:

"exploit the national trauma"

—he swallows hard before he says:

"to justify programs..."

Understand Snowden could be one intelligence asset playing a role in a sea of other intelligence assets playing their roles.

https://t.co/MZkAL1dC4Y?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=KQLy012pNDs

We have learned that Snowden takes the threat of terrorism seriously, just not western state sponsored false flag terrorism; regurgitates the official story of the World Trade Center demolitions, cites the "set up to fail" 9/11 Commission, thusly perpetuating the cover-up, whilst blaming intelligence failures; that is the PSYOP.

He, with the oligarchy and their media pundits continue diverting attention away from the catalyzing and catastrophic "New Pearl Harbor" also known as 9/11.

And "when the US wants to accuse Russia North Korea or China of X Y or Z, even if these accusations might have a slither of truth; they roll out their limited hangout Snowden..."

http://t.co/YT2SaFfDFp?

"Snowden wants you to know the NSA was interested in key Chinese customers—Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan Kenya, Cuba..."

Ask yourself why someone who is trained in counterintelligence would want you to know this? For whatever it is worth, the oligarchy uses the limited hangout Snowden leaks to expand the government police-state surveillance matrix under the guise of cybersecurity..."

http://t.co/1ej9yZUIpv?

That is why this alleged insider might pretend to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive dangerous government. It is a very well planned counterintelligence strategy.

...two weeks after the first leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden were published—Obama defended the NSA surveillance programs..."

(One purpose of a limited hangout operation is to defend the government programs detailed in the documents leaked by the intelligence asset, i.e. using faux whistleblowers to engage in limited hangout operations in order to foster support and defense for an amalgamation and/or centralization and/or universal subservience to said intelligence agencies.)

Look this up http://t.co/4b0ecsxkwZ?

Snowden was, or still covertly is, a:

  • CIA system admin

  • DIA counterintelligence trainer

  • Dell contractor for NSA

  • Booz Allen Hamilton analyst for NSA

(Booz Allen Hamilton paid Snowden a salary of $122K)

"...reason why Snowden hasn't leaked any docs. concerning Booz Allen Hamilton re: Booz is akin to why AQ/ISIS do not attack Israel—you don't bite the hand that feeds you..."

Snowden must have forgotten to copy the documents related to Zakheim and Booz Allen.

Certainly, 9/11 Truthers cannot annoy you as much as they annoy Assange, right Snowden?

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" It is his purpose to foster belief that 9/11 and all other terrorists acts and their official narratives are "real," authentic or are simply backlash in order to instill more fear of a mythological enemy. Furthermore, Snowden claims the all too common "intelligence failure" canard; generally uttered from the mouths of limited hangout assets, a tactic that successfully diverts attention away from the fact that there was, during 9/11, and still is today, a criminal conspiracy to destroy a country with media complicity. "

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Snowden was, or still covertly is, a:

CIA system admin

DIA counterintelligence trainer

Dell contractor for NSA

Booz Allen Hamilton analyst for NSA

Someone as famous as him ? Seems unlikely. But you could be right.

Certainly, 9/11 Truthers cannot annoy you as much as they annoy Assange, right Snowden?

It's all part of the grand conspiracy then. I don't believe it one bit. I thought this was a thread about Snowden anyway.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Part 5

/u/Leo_Littlebook

/u/JasonCarswell


He also in one interview which the censored John Bravo has mentioned is that Snowden has a Tor sticker (red flag) on his laptop. Tor is a honeypot created by the DoD. Why would someone so adamant about protecting themselves from intelligence agencies promote a DoD backed browser?

According to a letter from Dr. Leslie Sachs:

From: "Dr Les Sachs" ><l.sachs[at]inbox.lt>

Subject: Swiss gov letter: No Snowden asylum, he's a CIA fraud

To: info[at]pandodaily.com

And I paraphrase this letter:

  • Increase the sense of terrorism/blackmail among governments;

  • Promote CIA-tied media;

  • Entrap genuine dissidents;

The latter would be all too common with Snowden's handler, Glenn Greenwald, and his intelligence backed Intercept project, a start up by First Look media where they ratted out genuine whistleblowers. This will be further detailed at another time.

As for this aforementioned Dr. Leslie Sachs, he too has shady connections, him being quite fond of Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch is a proud Likudnik promoter and Zionist who has many connections to the real 9/11 perpetrators. He is also friends with Arnon Milchan, an Israeli Zionist who proudly admits his assistance in stealing US nuclear triggers for Israeli intelligence. Milchan directed 'Medusa's Touch' which predicted planes being flown into skyscrapers in New York City, he then went unto produce JFK, directed by Oliver Stone (real name: Oliver Silverstein), which whitewashed Mossad involvement in the assassination of JFK. In the 90's, Milchan produced 'Fight Club,' which is filled with 9/11 predictive programming, such as the demolition scene of skyscrapers in NYC at the very end of the movie, or the bombing of a high rise building in a preceding scene or the use of the term "Ground Zero" stated numerous times in synchronicity to the failed bombing attempt on the World Trade Center in the film. In the late 90's, Milchan with help from Rupert Murdoch produced the 'Lone Gunman.' A film that accurately predicts the alleged hijacking of passenger planes which would be flown into the upper third of the Twin Towers.

As for Sachs, he believes that there is a CIA oriented shadow government that quarrels between people like Rupert Murdoch. Statements such as these:

But the fact is, the CIA's Guardian newspaper, has been pushed to attack Murdoch in Great Britain, as a punishment and warning in revenge for Murdoch's 'excessive' pro-populist news in America.

or...

Murdoch had been giving 'too much' of what US citizens want to hear, and the CIA and US ruling families wanted to give him a strong slap.

or...

Rupert Murdoch is on notice he will be destroyed if he does not back off from 'too much' support for US Constitutionalists.

See that you may question everyone and everything in truth of discovery. You might just discover a ginormous counterintelligence program that seeks to control, confuse, discredit, disengage, anger, and surveil legitimate dissenters.

Ask yourself, were the Snowden leaks supposed to trigger a revolt against the police-state-surveillance apparatus, did they? No, far from it. Instead, they enhanced the centralization and power of this apparatus.

In a subsidiary counterintelligence operation, anonymous social media users claimed that Snowden was assassinated by a drone strike in Hong kong. Many of these social media posts would feature hashtags praising Snowden as a renegade and cheerleader for truth and justice. The purpose of this deliberate false story was to further socially engineer persons into believing that Snowden truly was on the side of the people -- written in stone, implanted into the subconscious-- for lack of a better term.

http://t.co/DtJPfZj1n5?

What are some ways in which the oligarchy might utilize a limited hangout operation to fulfill an agenda? One such way is to broadcast that ISIS (Da'esh) learned from Snowden. Anyone accused of inspiring ISIS would certainly want to contend such a statement and yet Snowden is silent.

http://t.co/HzO86kTOH7?

These operation mockingbird like broadcasts are further substantiated in cryptic form by the overt shilling of public desensitization campaigns concerning surveillance programs.

"...records of phone numbers, call dates, times and durations would be retained by telecommunications companies..."

http://t.co/ESj2jaREF4?

Thus, the NSA will simply use the back doors they installed on all the telecommunications companies in order to analyze metadata in real time.

To followup on this broadcast, a clear PsyOp is propgandized to push the agenda that communications must be monitored for security reasons.

PSYOP—

"...imperative that we monitor the use of digital/social communications to combat ISIS' growing influence..."

https://t.co/joCkUUazHb?

[–]ManWithABanana 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Tor is a honeypot created by the DoD.

There's one I haven't heard. It's starting to sound like you're telling me nothing is what it seems.

Ah, now we're really getting to Snowden :

Ask yourself, were the Snowden leaks supposed to trigger a revolt against the police-state-surveillance apparatus, did they? No, far from it. Instead, they enhanced the centralization and power of this apparatus.

This is a spot on observation.

Were they supposed to trigger the revolt ? Yes, they were.

Did they ? No, far from it.

You forgot the why. Snowden underestimated how apathetic the American public is about things they don't understand. He underestimated Congress et al's ability to dismantle the bureaucracy and intelligence gathering apparatus.

The central problem is that government wants/needs these kind of tools for intelligence purposes. So the people involved create cock-and-bull stories about why it's all OK and then built the infrastructure. It succeeded well beyond anything I had ever imagined. And my congressmen, along with all the rest I assume, is presented with a difficult choice to make among hundreds of other competing priorities. They chose to blow the whole thing off with "reforms" that bureaucracies know don't matter and preserve the central purpose of the structure.

So today, we have to understand that officialdom, from the CIA to local law enforcement, will literally be able to read everything we put into the computer. And it's not what you're doing today, it's what you've written for your entire life. Along with every other digital scrap that gets attached like pictures, video, and spreadsheets. Does local law enforcement have that access today ? I'm not sure, but I'm also very sure that it's coming if not.

What are some ways in which the oligarchy might utilize a limited hangout operation to fulfill an agenda?

I don't know. I don't care.

Every bureacracy performs damage control when something happens to screw things up. So the NSA/CIA/etc did damage control. Why should I care ? I'm still aware everything on the 'net gets hoovered up and stored. And the three letter agencies want to continue to do it. They successfully rode out the storm and the average citizen now thinks none of it matters.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And you fine with Snowden saysing:

Whistleblowrs should be kicked in the balls.

Or that;

He was scared when he got out of the car in, I believe, the Uk, because of muslims.

The guy's rhetoric seems more akin to a Booz Alan Hamilton hack, the company that the 9/11 perp Rabbi Dov Zackheim worked for, than a real whistleblower.

I invite you to search Ethan Serone's twitter posts on Snowden, he has thousands illustrating far more than what I can say here, that he is a limoted hangout, or even better, ChrisRulon's posts.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The guy's rhetoric seems more akin to a Booz Alan Hamilton hack, the company that the 9/11 perp Rabbi Dov Zackheim worked for, than a real whistleblower.

I thought that was the company he DID work for. But I'm not crazy about that kind of rhetoric, that's true.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, he did. But some of Snowden's rhetoric seems very much what a neocon would say, and he is hush, hush when it comes to them or the DoD backed blowback theory which he conveniently pushes.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's one I haven't heard.

You should look into it. It's legit compromised. TOR is anything but secure.

Snowden underestimated how apathetic the American public is about things they don't understand.

The Hanlon's razor excuse, "failing in stupidity", but as always "naturally" accidentally favouring the ruling class.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Part 6

/u/Leo_Littlebook /u/JasonCarswell


So, we have congress pretending to end the retention of mass bulk data, thusly, assuring the utilization of backdoors via telecommunication companies who have had a long history of doing business with intelligence agencies.

And in a predictable move, Omidyar's errand boy to dupe, Glenn Greenwald, handler of Snowden, tricks his followers with the propaganda that these powers will be reduced.

So, Booz Allen limited hangout Snowden cheers on Rand Paul, thus promoting the filibuster psychological operation.

In 2015, congress wanted you to believe a filibuster would prevent the NSA from sending malware to targets. As we know, congress is incorporated and most of the policies and legislation passed or debated about would be disregarded by the surveillance apparatus anyway.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/senates-excuses-reauthorizing-section-215-and-why-theyre-wrong

"This has been a very important part of our effort to defend the homeland since 9/11." —Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell

There’s one problem: there’s no evidence to support that.

The President's Review Group on Signals Intelligence stated:

"Our review suggests that the information contributed to terrorist investigations by the use of section 215 telephony meta-data was not essential to preventing attacks."

The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board stated:

Based on the information provided to the Board, including classified briefings and documentation, we have not identified a single instance involving a threat to the United States in which the program made a concrete difference in the outcome of a counterterrorism investigation. Moreover, we are aware of no instance in which the program directly contributed to the discovery of a previously unknown terrorist plot or the disruption of a terrorist attack.

Mitch McConnell, Richard Burr, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, James Clapper, Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeo, among others ardently supported the reauthorization of section 215.

Filibustering is akin to voting. In that like Rand Paul, we rely on a single action, however prolonged in believing that said action will fix the issues of our time, the people never once consider that maybe voting or filibustering, say the Patriot Act, does not really contravene with the corporation of the UNITED STATES. Concerning the processes of the corporation, no matter the obstructions they allow, no matter whether you think your vote will somehow stick it to the man, you are still encouraging the very system to flourish.

"large amounts of metadata gives the government access to even more revealing portraits of individuals/groups..."

https://t.co/Kk7NNqTpV4?amp=1

And reading between these lines, someone, some entity, wants Americans to believe that the NSA will stop routing internet traffic through their data centers and that Snowden is a hero.

Yet, it is quite clear that a persons' digital internet footprint is exponentially larger than their telecommunications footprint. Just think about all those images, messages, emails, posts, tweets, likes, searches, histories, purchases, accounts, memberships, subscriptions etc.

"...but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it..."

http://t.co/K4lkyk3nLb?amp=1

Substantiated by this PsyOp:

"...certain suspects in 9/11 may have managed to stay ahead of them by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone..."

Think about the Israeli art students who lived in close proximity to the 9/11 alleged hijackers, think about Amdocs, think about paper patsies!

"...virtually all call records and billing in the USA are done for the phone companies by Amdocs—an Israeli-based private telecom company..."

"NSA issued a report (TS/SCI) warning that records of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands—in Israel—in particular..."

"...widespread data mining techniques and algorithms—combining both the properties of the customer and properties of the specific behavior..."

"...USA government officials are worried about the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the wrong hands—particularly organized crime..."

Here one can observe that Israeli owned private companies are being blamed to counter information which exposes domestic spying operations. If the UNITED STATES corporation & company is truly concerned about Israeli intelligence, they would cut ties with sharing personal information with them. The fact is that the Israeli intelligence agencies work hand-in-hand with American intelligence agencies and telecommunication companies, many fronted by dual-Israeli citizens.

Snowden was a teenager when Carl Cameron authored his 2001 report on the Israeli art student spy ring but give Snowden credit for telling us the NSA has been collecting metadata since 9/11 ignoring Amdocs who was collecting metadata before 9/11 and who shared intelligence with US intelligence agencies. So, rest be assured, the NSA has a back door into Amdocs or Amdocs has a back door into the NSA, either way bulk collection of metadata continues.

And we must take into account that nowadays all these wireless broadband satellite telecom data software service companies rely more and more upon cloud-based platforms, which can easily be monitored. And remember too that the FREEDOM Act is a diversion. It does not end bulk collection of metadata it just rewrites the rules of the game for the NSA.

What has Snowden leaked about Amdocs, Comverse, ICTS, Kroll, TriData, MITRE, Ptech, the Dancing Israelis and the Israeli art student spy ring? Nothing. He has leaked nothing, he only perpetuated the 9/11 official government approved conspiracy theory -- a limited hangout, who has stated numerous times that the classified information will remain classified indefinitely. Greenwald sought it to that end and now makes star appearances on Fox News, the same corporate news company which covered-up 9/11.

And when you finally understand that 9/11 was a false flag operation orchestrated by a 5th column within the UNITED STATES corporation, specifically the executive branch, riddled with Zionist neoconservatives as well as pro-Likudnik factions within US intelligence agencies and private companies who were contracted to coordinate the event, you will realize that the Islamaphoiba after 2001 was a desired goal and that the data mining to combat the faux existential threat of domestic radical Islamic jihadis -- terrorists hiding around every corner -- was concocted to erect an unconstitutional surveillance system that allegedly permeates every facet of our world today.

As for the controlled opposition media pundits, they too perpetuate the memes and terms such as beheading, homegrown, lone wolf, terrorist sympathizer, ISIS, AQAP Islamists, etc., a clear perception management campaign perpetuated by ZeroHedge, the Drudge Report, etc.

But of course this scare could be exaggerated concerning the belief that the government watches everything you do. No. The government, intelligence agencies, limited hangout agents deliberately scared Americans in order to sell you software to 'protect' yourself. What better way to open up a security niche market worth billions! Snowden knows a lot about that scheme for he shilled for various Department of Defense backed encrypted apps. €¥¥€£¥€£££€€!

Likewise, it is also clear that people like eBay and First Look Media founder Pierre Omidyar, Glenn Greenwald's mentor as well as Glenn Greenwald himself, handler of Snowden are no different than Glenn Beck and Alex Jones in pushing an agenda to sell you crap.

https://mobile.twitter.com/the_intercept/status/601799151609851904

"...thanks to the Snowden PSYOP the Western spies and tech giants continue to meet in secrecy to discuss how to save the surveillance-state..."

^ ^ ^ That is the PsyOp.

Are we to believe that because of Snowden, because of filibustering the NSA is going to close all its back doors into the telecom-metadata-surveillance matrix? That's exactly what they want you to believe.

Ask yourself this: why must Snowden "screen everything before releasing it to journalists" such as Greenwald and his billionaire boss Omidyar, whilst they keep classified documents classified. And how nice, oh how nice indeed of you ‪Snowden‬ to provide the Alphabet Agencies with a list of "dissidents" aka followers on your blue labeled Twitter account.

Yes, the very "whistleblower" who leaks secret government files and lives at an "undisclosed location" managed to secure a verified account?

I have plenty more to post.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

So, we have congress pretending to end the retention of mass bulk data, thusly, assuring the utilization of backdoors via telecommunication companies who have had a long history of doing business with intelligence agencies.

Yup. Depressing as all get out.

In 2015, congress wanted you to believe a filibuster would prevent the NSA from sending malware to targets.

You have to remember that Congress is made up of individual actors. It's not some kind of monolith.

As we know, congress is incorporated

Yeah I know. THEY pull their strings. I've heard this before.

most of the policies and legislation passed or debated about would be disregarded by the surveillance apparatus anyway.

I think this is much more complicated than this blithe assertion. Beliefs like the above actually help the surveillance state immensely.

And when you finally understand that 9/11 was a false flag operation orchestrated by a 5th column within the UNITED STATES corporation, specifically the executive branch, riddled with Zionist neoconservatives as well as pro-Likudnik factions within US intelligence agencies and private companies who were contracted to coordinate the event, you will realize that the Islamaphoiba after 2001 was a desired goal and that the data mining to combat the faux existential threat of domestic radical Islamic jihadis -- terrorists hiding around every corner -- was concocted to erect an unconstitutional surveillance system that allegedly permeates every facet of our world today.

The simpler explanation is usually the correct one. 9/11 happened because of Islamic extremists. CIA/NSA/Cops want to look at your digital evidence. These things can exist independently.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You have to remember that Congress is made up of individual actors. It's not some kind of monolith.

Congress members, in the house and senate are members of a corporation, ie., the US Federal Corporation, whoch is written in legal code and are traded on Wallstreet. Why do you think Biden said to a gun owner a few weeks ago on video that he "doesn't serve him," you'd think he would at least lie and say he served the people, but this isn't the case when you consider that they, presidents, are chartered as EO's of a federal corporation. Look up TheCaptainSlappy videos for more info on this. Slappy shows with proof in 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th century documents, documents nobody cares to read, certainly not truth Inc., nor the faux conspiracy theoretician crowd, that the US is a corporation and always was. It was a protection racket built to protect the founders assets, that the poor produced. Later on, it had some semblence of representation for the people, ie., certain founders like Jefferson, who critiqued the constitutional conventions, found that the Bill of Rights had to be added for the protection of the farmer and common person, but todays corporatists, their lackey corporate lawyers; politicians, Zionists in congress, bankers, and thr BAR association (corporation) all but threw out the constitution.

EO's of the US corporation do not care about the constitution and never will. Like Bush said:

It's just a piece of paper.

And for this belief, prominent in the upper wealthy classes and industrialist sphere we now have lovely permanent public debt, that is mortgaged to unborn generations. We can thank the Jew Hamilton, the Jew Warburg, thr Jew Seligman, who convinced Warburh to push for income tax, the Jew Schiff, the Jew Rothschild whose lackey was Belmont (a fake name; and a Jew) and the Jews Legman, Guggenheim and Loeb.

Again, this isn't a blame on every Jew. Context is key here. The anti-farmer belief, that remained prominemt in neoliberal, Industrial and political circles allowed foreign bankers to travel to the US and take over the US through permanent public debt.

The simpler explanation is usually the correct one. 9/11 happened because of Islamic extremists. CIA/NSA/Cops want to look at your digital evidence. These things can exist independently.

Usually. Not always. The offical sanctioned government narrative, if we were to take into account all the laws of physics broken and the utter impossibilities and laughable pre-written back stories, I think you would come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inteliigence agency job. Italian intelligence has admited many times that 9/11 was a Mossad/5th column Likudnik/neoconservative job.

My evidence? I invite you to read and watch:

  • Any of David Chandlers videos on WTC7.

  • Read the Fairbanks study on WTC7

  • Read any of the books and the technical data published by architects and engineers for 9/11 truth.

  • Read Graeme MacQueen's book on the Anthrax attacks which were part and parcel of the 9/11 false flag.

  • Read John MacDonald's Civic investigation book on the Israeli families that boasted about 9/11 and made money off of it after the fact.

  • Read the hundreds of FBI documents that investigated the "dancing Israelis" and the hundreds of Israelis caught on 9/11 who celebrated and boasted about 9/11 before and after the fact. The document refers to 9/11 as the "Twin Tower Bombing."

  • Search: newsfocus.org; scroll down on that website and click the article referring to PNAC. That article illustrates the neocons involved.

  • Search Christopher Bollyn, and above all read David Ray Griffin's books.


9/11 happened because of Islamic extremists.

If you read these books and research the evidence, for years, as I have done, you might come to an entirely different conclusion. That, like what Italian intelligence has said for years, that 9/11 was a professional job, not done by patsy hijackers who had mossad handlers in Hollywood, Florida but by a tightly knit group of Likudnik aligned Zionists/neocons and MIC aligned politicians that sought to profit off of and use the pretext for geopolitical agendas.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, I had to give some examples on how PsyOps work in the context of agents.

[–]ManWithABanana 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate the effort, read it all, and replied where possible.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can't speak to whether he's CIA, NSA, or whatever (there are secret agencies we've never heard of). Whether he's an agent, double agent, triple agent, an asset, confidential informant, useful idiot, spy, or whatever - the fact is his story is bullshit.

Read my other comments here. I like his manner. I don't like his neck mole. I like that he (with the "generosity" of the MSM) has made people aware of the overreach and surveillance capitalism issues. I don't like that everyone is blasé about it all and no change manifested. I like truth. I don't like lies, psyops, and social engineering (that serve the deep state and ruling class agendas).

[–]BeerBaron 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

he revealed NOTHING new

Can you point me to the document that proved the 5-eyes spying operation prior to Snowden's leaks? And I mean actual links, not just the typical "I'm not here to google shit for you" bullshit. 'Cause if you can't put up, then please, just shut the fuck up.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"other discussions (1)"

Only spammed it in the 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden:
"leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency (NSA) in 2013"

Canada and the Five Eyes Intelligence Community
James Cox on Canada’s involvement in the world’s most exclusive intelligence sharing club.
BY: JAMES COX / DECEMBER 18, 2012
https://www.opencanada.org/features/canada-and-the-five-eyes-intelligence-community/

Discovered via: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Five_eyes

It took no time at all to "Google" this shit for you. Maybe you shut the fuck up with your attitude.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/manufactured-heroe-the-nsa-whistleblower-exposed-as-career-nsa-cia-special-forces-trained-agent/

search archive.org for this site. WIllyloman outright exposed Assange before his blog was censored.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here's that last available archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161115095000/https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/manufactured-heroe-the-nsa-whistleblower-exposed-as-career-nsa-cia-special-forces-trained-agent/

Includes a link to:
PRISM Whistleblower Edward Snowden - Manufactured Hero? (12:34) ~ macroparticles, 2013-06-09
Edit: Not actually new or revealing - just an old interview with no commentary or context. I should have watched before sharing.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It was the wrong one from Willy. I'll send you the other. He's written plenty of other ones or search Ethan Serone and Snowden and whole threads will come up. He paints a clear picture that Snowden, by his rhetoric and past and present connections is a limited hangout. His buddy Glenn Greenwald certainly is!

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fallacies. Save my name and I'll post 6,000 word comment on Snowden and his intelligence limited hangout ties. He fails the 9/11 litmus test as did Assange, but Assange, in his case seemed like he had a sniper pointed at his head. Although, Assange was thanked on twitter by Netanyahu.

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    [–]Sixto 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    Who's drumpf?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Trump

    [–]Sixto 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe REDDIT_RAPIST have smoked too much weed and doesn't know how to spell?

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    [–]Sixto 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Mange takk /u/JasonCarswell, jeg forstår det slik at det er opp til leseren å gjøre en innsats for å forstå hva avsender ønsker å formidle, ikke avsender selv.

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Pancen. Sugeng nulungi.

    [–]america_first_1776 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I think reefer is the least of your concerns, REDDIT_RAPIST. How, just how could you be.... a part of Reddit?!?! That alone warrants the death penalty.

    [–]horatioherbert 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Did you go on the run to Hong Kong and Moscow?

    [–]wecandobetter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

    That's exciting news

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    Not really.

    [–]la_cues(>0u0)> 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    I can see you are trying to make an argument saying Snowden didn't "do much new".

    But regardless, is it not still right for the charges against him to be dropped? He did an honorable thing.

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    What was honorable about it?

    He was the release valve martyr built up and propped up for the people to adore, expressing all the things you and I can't - and changing nothing, and bringing no change to the establishment surveillance systems, other than making them more publicly known and accepted.

    [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Still doesn't deserve to be exiled to Russia

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Political theater performance art "exiled".

    [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    I hate to see a fellow citizen being internationally hounded for exposing government overreach. If he gets a full pardon, I'll be very happy for him.

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    He's still part of the government, acting like/claiming he's not. Plausible deniability.

    [–]wecandobetter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    In what sense is he part of the government still? He has no job and he can't come back to the USA for fear of instant arrest.

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Do you have access to his bank accounts? Then you'll never know how he's supported.

    Further, he did take up employment there as some kind of IT-communications guru guy. He's not dumpster diving.

    Being in "exile" is part of his cover. He has not suffered though many would love for you to believe that he's been terribly inconvenienced by the whole thing.

    What evidence do you have that he's not still part of the government - besides blind faith in a character that magically has access to major networks where others do not.

    They made propaganda and psyops (ie. staged events) legal to employ against the domestic American populace. Everything changed after that, for the most part slowly at first.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012

    [–]wecandobetter 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    This is one of the dumbest most pointless conspiracy theories I've ever heard

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    doubt it