Newcomers: Let's make sure Saidit is better than Reddit. This shouldn't be a place to waste time, but to have productive and intelligent discussions.

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Reddit used to be better than it is now, but it was never truly good. At least not in my experience. From the beginning it was basically just a place to share memes and waste time - which makes sense, given that the purpose of it was to be as addictive and thus make as much money as possible.

Saidit has higher standards, so it should be better than Reddit. Rather than posting outrage porn or low-effort memes, strive to make informative posts, especially ones that allow you to cooperate with other members and build something great.

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[–]ForeverZer0 74 insightful - 9 fun74 insightful - 8 fun75 insightful - 9 fun -  (66 children)

The first step is not to dictate on what content others should post.

While I agree with the spirit of your message, I disagree with how it was described. If people wish to build subs centered around shitposting, then more power to them, I don't need to visit them. For others who are sincerely interested in high-quality civil discourse and exchange of ideas, then they also can have a sub for that, these two are not mutually exclusive to each other.

The common element is that they both respect others rights to post content that is meaningful to them, regardless of someone else's opinion if it is or not.

[–]liberate 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (49 children)

oath. no political control, no censorship. but watch out for mods taking over the system which is what is happening in reddit and how it works. they get in as admins and then boot the others out.

[–]GConly 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

/u/drewiepoodle probably had a lot to do with this.

He's the TIM mod that routinely stripped anything on /r/science that contradicted TWAW. One discussion on that sub had over a couple of hundred responses, with papers and discussion of data, removed because it had issue with the brain sex paradigm they push.

He got particularly salty about the Burke research that showed that had normally developed male brains and didn't have 'ladybrain'. Hit the roof at the 'supports autogynephillia' paper.

Since he's an autogynephillic TIM, this triggered him mightily.

AKA Ianna Drew Urquhart. I'm not doxxing, he has his Reddit account marked clearly on his other social media accounts and had done interviews about it using both names.

[–]liberate 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

TWAW

wtf is TWAW?

[–]C_Mot 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Trans Women Are Women

[–]liberate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

aha. interesting. Men are men, women are women, trans are trans. You cant fake your way into a binary gender that you are biologically not born into. Trans are on lifelong subscriptions to HRT and when they stop, they revert back, and they use surgery to force a mutilation. this is "Identity Crisis" being abused by people who make big money out of a vulnerable element of society. Trans are trans, everything else is a cult of abuse and Identity Politics, but a cult nonetheless and not the truth by any stretch of anyone's imagination. no idea how people can be confused by the issue.

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      [–]zero8 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      one thing i like about saidit is they have public mod logs so its harder for mods to get away with stuff

      [–]Themagicalmidget 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      This is one of the best anti corruption features of saidit. We can't ever stop all problems with mods, even in a perfect system, but at least now we can see everyone's paper trail. This site actually has me wanting to poste, rather than just larking, which is weird. I made maybe 20 comments in all my 5 years on reddit.

      [–]liberate 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      its fast too. I cant even get on ruqqus its got 503 errors all the time and really slow.

      [–]zero8 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      this site also has 503 errors and ddos attacks but they are getting much better at handling it

      [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 11 fun1 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 11 fun -  (32 children)

      Transgender people are not a threat and "gender critical" organizations are largely front for Divide and Conquer efforts by right wing organizations such as the Heritage foundations. Read this article about how Amy Dyess escaped this abusive cult. https://freethoughtblogs.com/intransitive/2020/05/17/she-escaped-amy-dyess-talks-about-the-cult-of-terfdom/

      Reddit GenderCrit mods would have banned this post. Lets see if your new mods will allow dissenting facts, or if the cult really is that controlling.

      [–]GConly 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Jesus Christ..

      Transwomen commit sex crimes at the same rates as other men. We have the data up on this sub already. There was a list on GC of all the incidents where allowing self ID ended up enabling sexual assaults on women and girls.

      In the UK most of the population doesn't support TWAW, if you ask them. It's a grass roots movement.

      Whereas the tra movement is heavily funded by some billionaire TIMs. That's Astroturfing for you.

      Btw, that article was repeatedly posted on GC, and mocked mercilessly every time.

      [–]sltkr 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The problem with articles like this is that you can find equally good anecdotes from people who have rejected liberal feminism, some of whom previously identified as trans themselves. See /r/detrans for examples. They often describe their experience akin to being groomed by a cult, too.

      Amy was connected to an international network of powerful lesbians.

      Obviously exaggerated to scare the reader into thinking the GC movement is more powerful than it really is. Later in the article that secret cabal of powerful lesbians is described as "struggling" and "falling apart". So which it?

      She believed that lesbian identity itself was being infringed on and erased by trans women, and that the media didn’t care – more than that, she believed that the media was being controlled by trans people.

      Trans people don't control the media, but the liberal feminist view (that trans women are women) absolutely and completely dominates the media, as well as any organization devoted to LGBT rights, or pretty much any other organization for that matter. Dissenting voices are usually found on social media only, and receive severe backlash.

      Amy's article denouncing the gender critical movement is published by PinkNews, which regularly publishes articles like this, so it's clear what the dominant ideology is. There is no major publication that would offer radical feminists a platform. So while it isn't true that trans people control the media, the trans narrative absolutely dominates the media.

      The TERF movement won’t let lesbians talk about abusive women.

      That's by definition not what the gender critical movement is about. That doesn't mean radical feminists don't think domestic abuse is bad; it just means they don't want their movement to be hijacked and its mission changed by people who oppose their views.

      If abusive lesbians are such an important topic to Amy, why didn't she write her article about that? Apparently, she thought the gender debate was more important too. Hypocritical.

      And though it may be true that the TERF movement won't let lesbians talk about abusive women, it seems equally true that the LGBT movement won't let lesbians talk about abusive transwomen.

      [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Ah, a glorious fiction. I don't think GenderCritical people are quite ready to adopt a Seige approach. Damn funny though, thanks for the morning humor.

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        [–]heidischallenge 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

        We debunked that post on reddit. In addition, Julie Bindel wrote her rebuttal. Nice that you have an open mind though /s

        [–]liberate 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        I completely disagree. self-violence to mutilate the body and then using powerful hormonal drugs to force it to stay that way, that is the cult risk. Big Pharma are researching ways to force gender change and actively praciticing it on kids in Europe and Trans are going to be their biggest customers for life if they can get it right. its disgusting abuse of human rights to drive this as anything other that self-worth issue. nothing good about this drive at all. you are preaching to the wrong person - https://www.thetemplespace.com/2019/trans-genderfluid-culture-faces-an-issue-that-is-being-ignored

        [–]spezz 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        troons are either mentally ill or pedos

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The argument was never "we must speak the truth because trans people are a threat" it is simply "we must speak the truth because lying has terrible consequences".

        So "trans people are not a threat" is not an argument.

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          [–]theoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          We need optional moderation to solve that. The option to turn off moderation and the option to choose your moderator/s. Please push to get this feature created here. Notabug has something like it called "spaces" if you want to check it out but it is very beta and not well implemented I think.

          [–]Aureus[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          I won't stop anyone from making a shitposting sub. They have every right to do it. But I also have every right to think it's pointless, and to express my opinion on that. All content is not created equal.

          My main driver for posting this is seeing several reddit alternatives (and online alternatives in general) go down the tubes. They tend to devolve into outrage porn and edgy meme posting very, very quickly. I just want Saidit to avoid the same fate.

          [–]King_Brutus 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

          That's what communities are for and why they should be able to operate independently. If a sub wants to shit post then let them, if a sub wants to have serious discussion then let them.

          [–]Current_Year_Acct 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Something I think is probably hurting this site during this reddit exodus is not being able to create a community for two weeks.

          [–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I think it's a decent idea to prevent spam, but yeah during this exodus specifically it's a problem.

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            [–]Current_Year_Acct 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Agreed. I'm against censorship overall, but in favor of censorhip/moderating based on the environment you want to create. If the front page is all conspiracy theories about jewish people, the site will never be more than a barely active extremist circle because normal people don't want to associate with it. Same with porn all over the place.

            The problem with reddit is they present themselves as normal and open, but only moderating extreme stuff, but the reality is they aggressively moderate with a hard left bias.

            Perhaps the answer is having minimal oversight on communities, but curating what is allowed on the front page? That's what reddit did years ago, and not doing so seems to be what caused voat to become antisemetic shock and outrage porn.

            [–]fgfmzknytfonveugto 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            The problem is that every site that tries to be completely pro free speech ends up attracting scum that got banned everywhere else and then it turns into a neo-nazi site as all the normal people leave.

            There shouldn't be censorship but there should be moderation. But that's a tricky line to toe.

            [–]GConly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            I think the difference here is that most GC posters are pretty left wing. It should stop the worst of it.

            [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I think this diversity is one of the most important things here. Voat became what it is because there was nobody to push against the far-right aspects. Lets hope that its enough to make this a balanced place.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Yeah that site is literally JUST racists. This is more diverse.

            [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            You have to keep in mind that there are groups that don't want any free speech sites to exist and they use racism as a tactic to attack them. The same people who are DDoSing will come one here and post vile shit just to drive off as many people as they can.

            Moderation isn't going to be enough against these people because they will always find ways around it and at the same time claim it is censorship.

            People have to grow a skin. Not because "its thier fault they got offended" but because the world is offensive. The only sustainable way to fight offensive content is with good content.

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              [–]Spaceplone 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              I agree. We won't make reddit obsolete by being a lifeboat for meaningful discussion that's banned on reddit. we make reddit obsolete by having no reasons to go to reddit instead of this site

              [–]ech 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Relieved that this is the top comment. One factor that reliably sucks the fun out of anti-censorship e-venues is this pretentious focus on upscale, substantive debate. (Quilette Circle has this problem, for example). The old, pre-censorship internet was fun because it had an organic mix of effortposting, shitposting, cute animals, trolling, and everything else people naturally gravitate towards. The internet, especially the uncensored internet, shouldn't feel like work, unless you want it to.

              [–]Somebody 26 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

              The best thing about (early) reddit was the fact that you could make it whatever you wanted by subscribing to subreddits with similar taste. If you wanted memes, subscribe to memes, if you wanted (insert topic) discussion, you could find a place for it. I would argue that the decay of this principal is what's killing reddit now. Their are too many people that want every sub to fit their own sensibilities.

              Beside, saidit already has the insightful/fun upvote system which is a stroke of genius and should ideally make it much easier to sort through the memes and find real discussion.

              [–]cloudrabbit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              Could you elaborate on the upvote system? It only seems to have two 'positive' ratings: insightful and fun. No downvoting. How would it make it easier to sort through memes?

              [–]xigoi 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Insightful rating for serious posts, funny rating for memes. You can sort by the individual ratings.

              [–]cloudrabbit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              hmm I see. But then it'd require people to click on funny for memes. I feel like many would just click on the closest upvote button; or click both

              [–]xigoi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              As long as most people do it as intended, it should work.

              [–]Fat_Neckbeard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I really do miss early Reddit. It was still a circlejerk, but you could filter out the noise more easily. Nowadays they're slowly stripping their site down to just the default subreddits. Very few mods controlling about 99% of the website. Worrying about how to maximize profit. Censoring dissent. It's the exact same shit that killed Digg.

              [–]Sorurus 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              Let’s make this place more than a right-wing Reddit.

              [–]Adrift 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Yeah, even though I'm not really a feminist myself, I'm glad to see the GenderCritical exodus here. Hopefully it'll help balance the dialogue so that the site doesn't lean too far left or right.

              [–]perpetual_nightlight 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

              I made a sub /s/DidIt that I think fits with this somewhat. It's meant to keep things focused on productive action. I am hoping it will help us avoid the phenomenon of feeling like we're accomplishing things when we're really just talking about them. The idea is to only post things when you've actually done or completed something.

              [–]Aureus[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              That's a really cool idea! I subscribed. Are there any projects you'd suggest it be about?

              [–]perpetual_nightlight 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              Well the idea is not that the entire sub is about one particular project in specific, but that anybody can use it to engage with SaidIt in a more action-driven way. I intended it to be for anyone and any kind of anything, really.

              The idea is that, instead of coming to social media to chill and talk to people, you don't talk unless you have something to say about something you actually did because you expect it to help other people with something they're actually doing. Personally I have a bit of a problem, sometimes, getting caught up in just talking about stuff. Like you said in OP, it seems like social media was almost designed this way, to keep people engaged but not to support effective use to accomplish worthwhile things. I was thinking the sub could be a way to keep people focused on productive engagement with the site.

              [–]jelliknight 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              It's a good idea. I think i understand what you're going for. So, for example, you would post a picture of a garden bed you dug and planted, and that would open up the conversations for other people to try doing the same thing? Or a cake you baked, or a corner of a room you cleaned,a trail you hiked etc just to encourage people to go out and DO instead of getting stuck in a loop of talking and hypotheticals?

              [–]perpetual_nightlight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Apologies for the late reply.

              So, for example, you would post a picture of a garden bed you dug and planted, and that would open up the conversations for other people to try doing the same thing? Or a cake you baked, or a corner of a room you cleaned,a trail you hiked etc just to encourage people to go out and DO instead of getting stuck in a loop of talking and hypotheticals?

              More like, "I have a garden bed dug with X, Y dimensions and I'm looking for advice about what to plant in Y climate." Or "I made a garden bed with this design, and I planted these plants. I am in climate Y. I've included my design and the reasons for my decisions below, as this design could easily be used by someone else in my climate." Or "I made a list of all hiking trails in my area that I believe others will find useful. X-posted to <locale> sub."

              It's not so much a "see, you could be doing stuff too!" kind of thing. But more setting up the rules of the sub to facilitate effective action and to not facilitate pleasant but ultimately unproductive conversation. Personally I have an easy time getting caught up in conversation on these sorts of platforms. It seems like it's sometimes designed to trap one in unproductive conversation. Ideas that are too abstract, "we should get 'someone' to do X," things are just complaints, things aren't well-organized enough. The idea is to stick to using the sub to force myself to participate in the site in only productive ways. If I can't fit the sub rules, I shouldn't post it -- not on there, and not on the rest of SaidIt either, because ultimately it would be a distraction.

              However, while I think a lot of people on social media have a similar problem to me, some people are already happy with the way they're engaging with social media. They don't have a problem feeling like they're engaging in unproductive ways. They'd be welcome to contribute of course, but they may not have as much of a need for that kind of space.

              That was my idea, I hope that makes it clearer. Again apologies for the late reply.

              [–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              I like the idea, but I think it needs to be a bit more specific for it to take off. Maybe start it off with some posts you believe fit the scope?

              [–]xigoi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              I'd say we have too few users to have such specific subs.

              [–]Current_Year_Acct 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              New users not being able to create subs is probably missing out on some opportunity during all this.

              [–]Invicta 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

              I like the cut of your jib.

              [–]Godhelpus90 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

              Just let people say what they want. Ifyou disagree, great, so what.

              It doesn't even have to amount to intelligent discussions, we should have a laugh here as well without the jokes being banned.

              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Shitposting does have it's place as a way to vent, to have a giggle, and yeah, to kill time. Time dies pretty damn hard some days. I'd reckon if there was a dedicated shitposting sub, people who didn't want to participate in it sure don't have to.

              [–]liberate 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              then tell the owners to get some phat servers ready coz there is going to be an influx from reddit. I tried ruqqus but it went down, this seems good, reminds me of old reddit so a good start. just be ready for mass useage. and someone said allow for subs to be created before the two week period. dunno what that means, but if you want redditors here, now is a good time to take advantage of this opportunity.

              [–]thisusernamesucks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              I liked ruqqus better but it's being hugged to death right now. Maybe in a few days they'll get it sorted. I do like the chat window here though. That's one feature voat had that was cool but it never worked. and then voat was taken over by it's own echo chamber.

              [–]liberate 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              cant even get on it for a minute before it goes 503 error and it is slow as hell

              [–]CitrusMocha 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

              I don't understand the saidit Android app at all. Not going back to Reddit ever, but this is going to be a tough transition.

              [–]magnora7 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

              Saidit is better in your mobile browser than on the app, imo. I spent a lot of time designing it to work in the phone-sized browser viewport. I never use the app personally, it's just a port from a reddit app

              [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Until you break out of the programming of this hate group, you will be forever relegated to the buggy, hatefilled shitholes of the internet.

              Take this as a warning. Keep following this cult and find yourself removed from your friends, family and decent society. Read about Amy Dyess and her abuse by GenderCrit. https://freethoughtblogs.com/intransitive/2020/05/17/she-escaped-amy-dyess-talks-about-the-cult-of-terfdom/

              [–]Deadmanspants 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Pretty new but here in opera browser on my phone and it seems pretty comfy so far.

              [–]BravoVictor 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

              Oh yeah? Well your father's a hamster, and your mother smells of elderberries!

              Sorry, old Reddit habits die hard.

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                [–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

                :(

                [–]Fat_Neckbeard 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                Here you go, my friend!

                [–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Thank you. I promise not to spend it all in one place.

                [–]obsessedgoose 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                I won't stay if I can't shit post!

                [–]PurpleAmathea 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                I am kind of hoping for mirrors of unbanned reddit subs.

                I liked r/askreddit, I liked r/redditgetsdrawn, I liked r/adorabledragons, I don't want to be on reddit anymore but none of the refugee sites are bothering with also transferring innocuous communities of fluff.

                [–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                This will be the real test of if the site works. Life can't just be political and moral posturing. I imagine that r/redditgetsdrawn would be hard to replicate, but s/asksaidit exits. It's now nothing but the politics and questions about reddit/saidit, but it might be a place to invest some attention.

                One idea is to just mirror content. So, if reddit has a link, make a saidit post and have the discussion occur here. I'll try to check s/asksaidit and be a person starting out on the dance floor if it helps you out. Once you get out of the probation period, make a mirror sub and drop me a line and I'll consider putting in some of that community building energy.

                [–]PurpleAmathea 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                Thanks!

                I wonder if the admins would consider reducing the new sub period. Two weeks is harsh, but a week pause between each after is also. It wouldn't be if the site was already up and running with lots of subs...

                [–]thisusernamesucks 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                nah, lets post memes!

                [–]OffAndSphere 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                heck yea lol

                [–]GST893 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                If Saidit embraces freedom and freedom of speech it will be just fine.

                [–]ctvzbuxr 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                I disagree. I actually like memes. I like to have fun on social media too. What's wrong with that? There are subs dedicated to certain kinds of content. A political sub should not be full of shitpost. A shitpost sub may not be the right place for serious political discussion. The user can decide which places he wants to be a part of. I have seen lots of political posts on Saidit, but so far I'm not seeing lots of stuff that's fun. Meaning that people who want memes or entertainment will still resort to Reddit. If we want to make this site mainstream, we shouldn't be afraid of going mainstream.

                [–]takeyourjoyjohn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Welcome refugees! Of anyone ever has anything to talk about, you can always message me. This website needs to be accepting and loving!

                [–]Sebine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Don't tell me how to waste my time.

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Reddit was never good, don't delude yourself. It has always been a pit of modern hedonist scum.

                [–]PositiveVibes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

                Just joined a few minutes ago and I agree. I sure hope this stays in the right direction. My only suggestion is that comments from people who post obviously mean responses like, “Your Dumb” without any other content should be removed. If the response is to bully someone without constructive criticism (if they disagree) it should be taken down. I think the majority that moved here are all down for a good debate. If you don’t like something type up a thoughtful response instead of bullying. Just my thoughts!

                [–]Deadmanspants 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                You're dumb*

                [–]fartwaffen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                If someone does that enough, it should qualify for violating the 'pyramid of debate'. Make no mistake, there are already shit stirrers here from reddit. Just don't let it discourage you.

                [–]aThievingStableboy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                dfga

                [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

                You'll find a huge crossover between GenderCrit and other conservative funded hate groups. These people are only on your side because you hate the same people, they will turn on your because of your skin color, your sexuality, your feminism, your healthcare and body autonomy. Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas, you're in leauge with the ultra nationalists, racists, Trump supporters and every kind of bigot, because hate begets hate.

                If you want proof go look at the people on Twitter who "stand with rowling". Most of them are pretty terrible politically, the worst kind of bigots, but you stand alongside them because your hate matches theirs. You just hate trans people, they hate transpeople and everything else you may stand for.

                [–]aThievingStableboy 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                dfhwrthqgerfdas

                [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                If you're running with a gendercritical crowd you're also running with every right-wing bigot involved. Learn about the Heritage Foundation, about Amy Dyess, about Rowlings push for conversion therapy for LGBT folks and how detructive this bigotry is to the world and the queer community. When the anti-semites and other bigots are cheering alongside you it's really important to look at yourself and wonder why.

                There's such a heavy push for this right now because there's a lot of money in f****** up generally left-wing groups like the queer community. You're all seen as pawns in their game, and you're put right in the same category as all the other bigotry they push.

                [–]GConly 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                Lol... Gender critical was to the left of Lenin.

                The right wing shit was crap thrown about by TRAs in an attempt to smear it. The only reason they had any interaction with any libertarian orgs was because the left deplatformed them.

                Every who used to go to GC saw and laughed their ass off at dyers article.

                [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                Run from this cult.

                [–]GConly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                LOL. Not a cult.

                Transwomen offend like other men, and we have the data to prove it.

                I guess some people would be very scared about that data getting good exposure.

                [–]aThievingStableboy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                sdfgadfgv

                [–]RecordStory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                You understand how political systems work right? Koch Brothers? People donate money to push forward agendas and when those agendas succeed, people profit from that success. It may be political prophet or fame or books or whatever, pushing an agenda has its worth. People are starting to wake up to the evangelicals, people are less religious and less bigoted thanks to civil rights and feminist movements and progressive advocacy. The evangelicals and right-wing want to take that progress away and one of the ways to do it is to cause division in the LGBT community. You notice how all this transgender hate stuff started coming up after the fight for gay marriage was mostly won? People like LGB aliiance have been saying the same stuff throughout history, the gays are a threat to children, lesbians are a threat to straight women etc, they need the votes coming in from other evangelicals by pushing this rhetoric. They're losing their grasp hence why they're putting hundreds of thousands of dollars into fighting the civil rights of trans people, just another wedge issue. Open your eyes, you can have your own thoughts and opinions, sure, but the movement at large is being funded by the right-wing and that's a fact.

                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                GB is a threat to children, statistically speaking (33% of all child molestation in spite of being 1% of the population). L's are mostly a threat to themselves and their partners (lots of domestic violence and drug abuse). All are pretty terrible from a public health perspective.

                https://files.catbox.moe/b4he9u.png

                [–]Deadmanspants 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                You give me hope. If I was in a place that I didn't see shit that was highly offensive too me like your dictatorial bullshit I'd soon leave. You don't have to be on subs you don't like and neither do I.

                I only care about a place being comfortably navigable and allowing everyone too each their own. I enjoy a wide range of things, from mind rot to contentious to intellectually stimulating so I choose accordingly. I fail too see why you can't do the same and very much hope you have no influence here.

                [–]proc0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I'm seeing a parallel between internet websites that have millions of people interacting, and real world cities/countries etc. There is a form of governance that arises and as such the same options seem to be available. Reddit went full communist and is going to suffer those consequences we have seen in history (although with much less price, since you just lose accounts, information, and free speech, instead of lives). I'm hoping Saidit remains Libertarian in "spirit".

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I think as long as this platform doesn’t devolve into others like voat, we could become a much better place then Reddit could have even dreamed.

                Btw I’m not saying no to free speach. If you lean so far right that you are a neo-nazi or whatever, do you. Let’s all have civil discussion and present the facts. But no one wants to see a million “nigger and jews!!!” Memes just like no one needs this place filled with porn. Those things exist in abundance elsewhere.

                [–]RenLuna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                No, I don't want to have some sophomoric discussion on how Foucault destroyed the west and I don't want to learn why a plant will help destroy capitalism. I want to have fun.

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