I would like to introduce everyone to a new sub. It's called s/UnionofRationalPeople. Let's work together to fight the forces that are destroying our country. Let's work together to fight censorship.

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[–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Anti war is not an identity. American is. Nationalism is the solution.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But plenty of people that are into nationalism are just fine with America being the world's terrorist/spreading democracy. It sounds too vague to me although I agree that we should take pride in our dirt and founding principles and try to make things better.

[–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What those people can't see is the fact that our "imperialism" is driven by private interests. The best tactic is not to oppose war itself, because often war is necessary for defense and to curb the aggression of other nations, but to oppose the manipulation of our foreign policy by those not interested solely in national defense.

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because often war is necessary for defense and to curb the aggression of other nations

Do you have any examples? I think you've got to go way back to before the civil war to even come close.

Anyway, apparently uniting any significant amount of people behind any issue is next to impossible. Especially when millions go into inorganically creating other causes.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

oppose the manipulation of our foreign policy by those not interested solely in national defense

agree.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Nation" comes from the same "nat-" as "nativity" and "natal". Birth. It's about the people. People need a safe place to exist and thrive, that's primarily what nationalism is about imo.

eta: to be clear, not just "any people" in general from anywhere, but specifically the people that are part of a specific origin or birth.