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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (37 children)

There's a thing called ground. It can do everything a road can do, is built by nature for free and, as an added bonus, doesn't accelerate the development of empires and international corporations.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

Try driving on the ground, in the middle of the woods, in the mountains, without four wheel drive, after it's rained and come back.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

Why would I want to do it? Modern people travel too much, too far. We haven't evolved for this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Some people live in rural areas, and if there weren't roads: it would be hard for us to even get to the store, especially those far away, since we ain't well stocked on everything.

And what about logistics? We need to transport stuff between places, and roads are important for that.

I can't believe Libertarians legitimately argue against roads... I thought that was just a joke.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I can't believe Libertarians legitimately argue against roads

Libertarians in general just don't believe that road building is so difficult it automatically justifies any tyranny and don't see a reason to force everyone to pay for every road. It may seem not fair, but the endless pursuit of fairness won't keep us warm and fed, it can only send us to an early grave.

I thought that was just a joke.

Today I, for the first time, have decided to examined the effect roads have on the development of civilization. It was a joke. Until it wasn't. But in reality, roads are too simple and seductive to even attempt fighting them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Everyone benefits from roads. If you buy goods from a grocery store: they where transported over a road.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

But the overall effect a road has on one's life is hard to calculate, and isn't as overwhelmingly positive as you're painting it to be.

To grow, one has to work on what one loves. Roads seemingly allow us spend less money, but when they reduce what we can earn and our ability to pursue happiness and growth, the money they save us, is nothing.

You can't just take a lot, give a little, and demand everyone pay for what you do in the name of justice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Perhaps there's a better way to fund roads, but we still need roads.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some of us, need certain roads, at certain times. Certain other roads, could improve our life by not existing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are arguing this very well. Thank you Xihaon

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

tax the rich for them

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But aren't you arguing against taxation? I'd raise taxes on the rich any day.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There's a reason the market chose big trucks instead of trains or blimps: it's cheaper and more efficient — and much less dangerous than what equates to a giant flying bomb.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      I prefer to go to work, get paid, and buy what I need from the store, not grow everything I eat and sew my own clothes. It seems like Libertarians move further right every second.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        If you weren't a Libertarian: you wouldn't be arguing against roads.

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          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          That's true, but abolishing taxes and roads won't fix that.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Oh, so I should say: they're progressive, secular, pro-market, federal, multi-culturalist, pacifist, pro-democracy, globalist, pro-freedom. Got it.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            But I relish a cruse up a smooth highway in my car, right to the waterfall and camping spot. I call that evolution, personal evolution. We're on a journey, from the caves to the stars and roads are just a stepping stone.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Understandable.

            But, personally, I see roads as a dangerous dead end. They allow other people control your ability to move. This situation is a breeding ground for perverse ideas.

            Means for roadless transportation do exist. But because most resources are consumed by the roads faction, these means are greatly underdeveloped.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Roads, especially highways, have fucked up animal migrations. This is well studied. You call that evolution? I call that human stupidity.

            Our race won't ever leave this planet until we realize what actual human evolution is.

            [–]Akali 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Can't agree more!

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              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Which is why we need roads.