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[–]fschmidt 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Those refusing the vaccine are considered heretics. Ultimately they will be burned at the stake. The Vaccinians will gradually decay into a medieval society with a high mortality rate (caused by the vaccines) where all deaths will be blamed on the unvaccinated who will be hunted down and burned as witches. Anyone with a brain will simply leave these societies.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You're serious aren't you? Fuck.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And sadly, I doubt far from the mark.

[–]factchecker 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I would not argue with a komodo dragon, and i would not debate a pro-vaccine person.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, the komodo dragon is still more intelligent and less venomous though.

[–]Noam_ChomskyPirate Party 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They don’t even realize what they are doing. In their mind, they think they are having an intellectual disagreement. But these responses are completely out of character for intellectual disagreements. The people promoting this behavior are convinced that they are simply “right”, and anyone who disagrees must be ignorant or deceived.

I suspect they're under a mass media hypnosis.

If you can get them away from the MSM for about a week, then they'll begin to come around.

They quickly revert when they catch up on "the news".

It's not limited to the scamdemic. Building 7 can't be accepted by some. They instantly claim that they're not a architect, etc.

"They" happened to have their MS in physics.

[–]StillLessons[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's something in the presentation and the language used by the authorities which is extremely effective. Obviously they've had decades since Bernays did his work to hone these abilities, and it shows. It's mysterious to me that people can listen to Fauci speak while simultaneously ignoring the fact that he funded the lab (openly and publicly) where the bug he says he's saving us from was created. The sentence I just wrote flabbergasts me every time the thought runs through my head. It's bizarre.

Like you, I have also been shocked by people's inability to confront the simple fact that a steel framed tower, cut in the middle, leaving two rigid bodies above and below, does not disintegrate into pulverized building materials in its own footprint. The lack of willingness to "trust our own eyes" in relatively straightforward events I now see is the weakness the authorities exploit.

This is a difficult life to navigate. I guess it always has been; this is just our iteration of the crazy.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You nailed it man. My mom called me stupid for the first time ever, and one of my neighbors said that if I get sick with COVID and need to go to the hospital, then "fuck you". I don't have the skills to talk religion, so I think I'm just going to avoid discussing it at all costs. "I know this is an emotional issue" and then dropping it seems to work alright.

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"I know you have emotional issues."

The situations you describe would have me completely dropping those people from my life. Probably after essentially telling them to foad.

If you do catch a case of the flu, do you have some ivermectin to knock it down? You may be able to get it from your doc, or Amazon has the horse paste.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

do you have some ivermectin to knock it down?

good call man, thanks. then they can't call me a COVID denier too.

[–]Masterblaster 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If it makes you feel better, I don’t think we’re in the minority. The other side just has the global media amplifying their crazy.

This has all made me see that most people actually don’t think at all. They just work really hard to give the “right” answer. That’s why they are so stubborn- the “right” answer is continually being blasted at us, and we refuse to go along.

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This has all made me see that most people actually don’t think at all.

Be careful. What you'd see behind this curtain wouldn't exactly make your life blissful.

[–]NodeIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when I know them to be decent, thoughtful, intelligent individuals

Actually, that's just a belief you hold. It's clearly not a reflection of reality.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's useful to distinguish between simply irrational behavior and religious behavior. Irrationality can be non-spiritual, non-religious, and even non-specific. Religion has rites and doctrines, authorities and consensus, and can appear or be entirely rational.

You describe mostly hysteria fueled by irrational fear, which is a good analogy. But the religion part is where they stubbornly fall back on their decidedly non-divine authorities to save them from the sinful masses.

[–]StillLessons[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Like I said, "religion" is a tricky term to pin down under the best of circumstances, and I am mostly definitely not against religion as a force in people's life.

I like what you said below about believing the system divine. This is what I was trying to get at with the original post. The most obvious manifestation is the treatment of Fauci as the high priest. And this is where I cannot break through. The people I'm talking about seem incapable of believing that Fauci, Wolensky, Collins, etc are lying. This flabbergasts me, given the actual documented lies they tell. And this is where it's not about rational argument. They are putting faith in these men/women, and nothing can shake that faith. Their intransigence around this subject in the face of absolutely any evidence I present is what reminds me of situations when religious doctrine gets out of control.

As in all things, religion can be positive or negative. We are witnessing the very very dark side of the human instinct for religious faith turned in on itself in complete ignorance that this is even the force being utilized.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. And in a real religion, authorities are shunned or removed when they fail basic standards tests. Here, the only standard is consensus, so whoever gets he most air time makes the rules.

What we have to realize is that these people are afraid. And the fear's been perfectly wedded with the Reddit-style smug hostility, so that the fearful pick up hostility and rage. But deep down, they're all either deathly afraid or malicious shills.

This is the point. This is the New World Order. This is the Great Reset. New allegiances, new fears, new ways of living have to be promulgated, especially if every bit of it is fabricated. The human capacity of loyalty and tribalism are just eyehooks to grab them by.

And likely anybody who's that afraid will be repulsed by the arguments against NWO, and they likely hate Alex Jones like a muslim hates a dog. You can try love, but don't give in.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To them their medical leaders are divine.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, I think they believe themselves to be divine, to the extent anything is. It's not that they worship experts, it's that they worship the system which pretends to give them power over their own lives and others'.

"Empowerment" to the masses is now the feeling of participating in directing humanity to their own ends.

[–]wendolynne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hmmm, we could apply Pascal's Wager:

Either the covid is real or it's a hoax. You can take the vaccine or not.

If covid is real and to take the vaccine, you are saved.

If it is not real and you take the vaccine, your arm will be sore for a few days.

If it's not real and you don't get the vaccine, you will be fine.

If it is real and you don't get the vaccine, your lungs could turn into cement and it could kill you.

Gamblers know the odds. (edit -formatting)

[–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Clearly that is not a correct form ion. If covid is real, everyone now agrees it is just a version of the common cold, so if you get it you will almost certainly be fine. If you take the jab, you are at best lessening the already mild symptoms of covid (although there is no evidence for this) and in exchange taking on the risk of a largely untested form of gene therapy proffered by people constantly going on about population reduction where similar jabs have killed most of the lab animals they were tested on. If you think that makes good medical sense then i agree you should take the jab.

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just take the vaccine and leave Pascal out of it.