BLM Insurrectionist Screams 'I Can't Wait Until Black People Lynch White People'

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Blacks are objectively the lowest IQ of the races.

Not really objective. And not useful to say, because blacks includes some of the most intelligent Americans there have been.

DNA double helix arrived at the same conclusion and was cancel cultured over it.

Yeah James Watson was a bit of a racist. Oh well. We're generally more educated about that now.

Skin color is not the only way the races differ. Look up lactose intolerance rates and organ transplant requirements.

Skin colour is what defines "black" though. There's not a lot of Americans that pure African. Because keeping slaves means you get to rape them all the time.

If these aspects can have differences there is no logical reason why the brain structure couldn’t have genetic differences.

It's biologically plausible. Intelligence is significantly heritable. But it's not proven, despite what Watson used to say. And, this is important: It's not useful to say.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Not really objective. And not useful to say, because blacks includes some of the most intelligent Americans there have been.

Objectively, they are about one standard deviation lower than European on average Posting a few examples of high scoring black people is meaningless.

Yes decent evidence is coming out that the cause of the difference between groups is down to biology. There's a paper around looking at genes associated with higher education in gentiles and Jews, and it shows the Jewish advantage is down to genes.

It's also been demonstrated that it's perfectly easy to cause genes for IQ to vary with environmental selection. The welfare state in Iceland has caused a measurable decrease in genes for higher ed in just a few decades.

Evolution does not stop.

There's no biological reason for cognitive ability to be the same.

There's no evidence from the Scarr Rowe studies in adults that SES effects group IQs.

Human brains are different enough between ancestries that that you can tell someone's ancestry with an MRI.

Basically there's more. But that will do for now.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Objectively, they are about one standard deviation lower than European on average Posting a few examples of high scoring black people is meaningless.

1) IQ tests aren't objective. They're steeped in culture.

2) The Flynn effect is about 1 standard deviation since the middle of last century. Area you claiming that that's evolution?

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

IQ tests aren't objective. They're steeped in culture.

This is a standard whine. Actually the less culturally biased the tests where the greater the gap turned out to be. And black Americans are raised in the same culture. This isn't like the 30s where they where asking the question 'car is to race as yacht is to regatta. They've been redesigned a lot. A lot are non verbal pattern recognition.

Same pattern for the 1sd shortfall in every test.

2) The Flynn effect is about 1 standard deviation since the middle of last century. Area you claiming that that's evolution?

People who don't know what the Flynn effect is always think that's a trump card.

It's mostly the result of much better nutrition and better childhood health, most likely through vaccination programs and clean water and the welfare state. These are civic programs that applied to everyone. We aren't getting kids starving unless their carers are abusing them.

I'd like to point out, yet again, that attempts to show parental SES impacts IQ in adult offspring have been pretty relentless in showing that being in even the lowest SES makes no difference to adult IQ scores.

Our welfare states are working. Yay.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is a standard whine.

Good. People should mention the true arguments.

Actually the less culturally biased the tests where the greater the gap turned out to be.

Can you link me to one of the studies based on these less culturally biased tests?

A lot are non verbal pattern recognition.

There's evidence from the 70s that kids use verbal strategies for nonverbal reasoning tests.

For Ss who received no special training there were significant race differences on the analogies test (p < .001), but for those who received the training there were not (p < .05). Results suggest that a significant proportion of observed race differences on Level II tasks may be attributable to a failure of many Blacks to use spontaneously an efficient verbal strategy rather than a genetic reasoning deficit.

It's mostly the result of much better nutrition and better childhood health, most likely through vaccination programs and clean water and the welfare state.

So since black Americans are still substantially an underclass, you would expect their IQ to catch up with the improved nutrition and better childhood health that comes with rising out of poverty.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Good. People should mention the true arguments

Yes but it's not correct. Every attempt to show bias in the testing has failed.

Can you link me to one of the studies based on these less culturally biased tests?

Look up Ravens progressive matrices.

So since black Americans are still substantially an underclass, you would expect their IQ to catch up with the improved nutrition and better childhood health that comes with rising out of poverty.

No.

As I have pointed out to you before, there's no evidence that western poverty, with its vaccinations, free education and adequate all round nutrition causes lower IQ than in western rich families.

In fact every study into this possibility that looked at adults failed to find any evidence of it at all. It's called the Scarr Rowe effect.

Which you don't seem to be processing.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look up Ravens progressive matrices.

The ones that people with Autism do better than people without Autism on?

They do have specialised intelligence, but it's a leap to say that they're more intelligent. Or that they're not culturally different, in that they respond to culture differently.

As I have pointed out to you before, there's no evidence that western poverty, with its vaccinations, free education and adequate all round nutrition causes lower IQ than in western rich families.

I though you said that was the cause of the increase in IQ of 3 point per decade.

What do you think is the cause of that?

Why don't you think that people who haven't been through that yet won't catch up?

It's called the Scarr Rowe effect.

No that's not about low socio-economic status being related to low IQ, it's about the heritability of intelligence being decreased in low socio-economic demographic groups.

Which you don't seem to be processing.

There's no good evidence for a difference in intelligence between races. And given that the genetic diversity in Humans inside a

Africa is so much greater than that outside, it beggars belief that you would find the largest difference outside Africa.

It is know that evolution is much more near the tropics than the poles, and it is known that when modern humans left Africa, they back bred with Neanderthals, picking up white skin, straight hair, and plausibly the larger brain case of that more primitive group.

[–]GConly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I though you said that was the cause of the increase in IQ of 3 point per decade.

That increase applied across also income groups. A rising tide raised all boats.

No that's not about low socio-economic status being related to low IQ, it's about the heritability of intelligence being decreased in low socio-economic demographic groups.

Yes and every study failed to show lower SES correlated to lower heritability in adults.

There's no good evidence for a difference in intelligence between races.

You mean other than consistently getting a different average score, even when adopted? Other than having different size brains, and differ structure, and differing frequencies in genes we know correlate to intelligence?

And the fact we know damn well selective pressure affects intelligence just as much as any other genetically determined trait.

The ones that people with Autism do better than people without Autism on?

I'm assuming you that misunderstanding got from this (or similar).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2006/02/case-mistaken-iq

Healthy children and adults performed similarly on both the Wechsler and the Raven test. But speaking autistics scored up to 30 percentile points higher on the Raven test than the Wechsler test,

The simple version: non autistic get the same in both kinds of tests. Autistic got much higher on the TPM than the standard, they didn't score higher overall. The standard tests have a lot of verbal stuff in it they find hard to process, but they are better than average at visual spatial and pattern recognition.

The Level and Nature of Autistic Intelligence.)

The autistic adults' Raven's Progressive Matrices scores (M = 83.30 percentile, SD = 19.26) were, on average, more than 30 percentile points higher than their WAIS-III scores (M = 50.38 percentile, SD = 30.57; prep= . 986, d = 1.29).

In contrast, the nonautistic adults’ Raven’s Progressive Matrices scores (M = 81.64 percentile, SD = 16.78) and WAIS-III scores (M = 74.80 percentile, SD = 16.57) did not differ significantly (prep = .852, d = 0.41).

I have HF Asperger's, BTW. I score about 10 points higher on my visual spatial than my verbal because excess testosterone in utero shunted some of my neuro development into VS and pattern recognition instead of verbal/social. There's a reason engineering and physics classes are full of HF Asperger's with minimal social skill and crappy spelling.

Did you actually think autistic people got higher scores than average?