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[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (28 children)

The Gateway Pundit is trash. (Just read this article about George Floyd to see how badly they can twist facts into absurd conclusions. George Floyd was murdered by police. That's objective fact clearly proven by video.)

Here's a less sensationalized version of the story in the OP: https://fox59.com/news/crimetracker/indy-mother-becomes-2nd-homicide-along-downtown-canal-in-1-week/

There was no "mob", just two groups of assholes who encountered each other and went as far as flashing guns. It started over "a slang version of the N-word" (nigga?). There's no transcript of what was said but based on the known circumstances, there were no heroes here.

Obviously this murder should still be punished - an ambush with a gun is damn cowardly, too - but OP's headline is very misleading. This happened at 3am between two armed groups that got into an argument over race.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

he was on meth and resisted arrest

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

Floyd?

Saying you can't breathe and then dying is "resisting" now?

Also I read the "bodycam transcript" and within the first few lines I see police needlessly escalating while Floyd is apologizing. Maybe he's not fully following instructions because he's confused... maybe. Shouting and swearing isn't going to help that situation. The police approach of using force and abuse at the slightest bit of perceived noncompliance is totally fucked.

People don't deserve to be shot or choked just because they can't play police's fucked-up "Simon says" games well or quick enough.

And even if Floyd was methed up and violent (which he wasn't) it still wouldn't justify kneeling on him for 8 minutes, which would still be murder. George Floyd was murdered. If you can't agree with that simple objectively true statement then I don't even know how to talk to you.

[–]BigFatRetard 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I suspect on Day 1 anyone who saw the video probably would have fully agreed that it was murder. Hell, one of the other officers was like "Uh... He's dead. Shouldn't we do something?"

I think that at this point a lot of people are changing their viewpoints not because objective reality has changed, but because it feels like cognitive dissonance to simultaneously believe that George Floyd was murdered and should not have died and a police system that allowed that and possibly let Chauvin walk needs to be modified, and that the resulting death and destruction is beyond reprehensible and is inexcusable and the police need to step in and start using real force to protect the majority's rights from violent mobs if need be.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've seen enough of these stories (the most recent one being Ahmaud Arbery) that I guessed right away that there was probably something fake about the story. That said, it did look like the guy was being suffocated by the guy's knee. The moment I found out that the knee-on-neck was a standard police restraint, however, I knew that the story was fake news. Why would it be a standard police procedure unless it actually was an effective and safe restraint? It's probably been tested and found to be safer than other kinds of restraint. Then the autopsy came out, and confirmed that Floyd was overdosing on fentanyl and didn't die from asphyxiation.

The transcript of the bodycam footage, though, confirms his death as a suicide. He was saying "I can't breathe" before he was on the ground, being restrained. The restraint probably prevented him from harming himself further through continuing to resist arrest. Also the fact that the police called EMS who were quickly on the scene, gave him a better chance of survival.

Overall, I think that the police's actions gave Floyd a better chance of survival. Had they not been there, he could have driven off in his car, overdosed while at the wheel, and presented a danger to pedestrians and other vehicles. We'll see if the jury agrees, but I think the probability of Chauvin getting a fair trial is pretty low.

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The transcript of the bodycam footage, though, confirms his death as a suicide. He was saying "I can't breathe" before he was on the ground, being restrained.

What is you rationale for calling it a suicide? It's pretty clear he died from a combination of drug intoxication, a severe heart problem, stress from being arrested, and he had also recently 'recovered' from COVID. Studies are increasingly showing that symptoms can linger after a patient is testing negative. I have no doubt about him legitimately having trouble breathing.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As in, it's clear that without taking drugs he'd still be alive. Maybe suicide doesn't quite fit because he didn't intend to overdose, obviously, but that seems to be the major cause of death regardless. The transcript adds additional confirmation of the autopsy report; the fact that he couldn't breathe was due to the overdose, not the police's actions.

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For sure, I just don't see any way to twist everything into "he committed suicide." Sounds like he involuntarily manslaughtered himself, whoopsie

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The defense is going to claim that his death was not related to kneeling on his back/neck. If you read the body cam transcripts he was complaining of not being able to breathe as soon as he was handcuffed, before he was initially placed in the patrol car. It seems like he was having some sort of medical emergency exacerbated by the stress of being arrested. The first autopsy corroborates this narrative, although the autopsy ordered by the family somewhat disputes it. They're going to claim that the knee on back hold has been commonly used for decades without major incident (demonstrably true) and his death was a result of a combination of drug intoxication, existing heart condition, stress, and probably lingering symptoms of COVID which he is confirmed to have had.

Unless the defense colossally fucks up OR the jurors conspire to agree on a verdict due to societal pressure no one is going to jail for his death.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

although the autopsy ordered by the family somewhat disputes it.

Its made up. If you think otherwise, can you provide a link so I can read the autopsy?

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Which part are you saying is made up? The autopsy performed at the behest of the family was certainly performed. Whether or not we agree with it's conclusions is another matter haha I'm not sure if their autopsy will be admissible in the criminal trial or if it's only valid in the inevitable civil suit.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The autopsy performed at the behest of the family was certainly performed.

Mind linking to the autopsy then? I think the media is just lying.

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As far as I'm aware the family didn't release the complete PDF but no one, including the defense, are disputing that it was performed. https://apnews.com/d41cdf6cefbb3e5603a28e6dc07f9589

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok. I don't believe it.

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't believe what? It's laughable to think that the autopsy didn't take place. If you don't believe the conclusions then that is entirely reasonable but to believe it didn't take place at all is just being a fucking retard.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I dont know why all these negroes think you can just openly defy cops and not get shot

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The George Floyd killing was likely a PsyOp. If he even really died. And if he did, be assured that there are hundreds of PsyOps the government and media is broadcasting as we speak, for all kinds of ideologies.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Fake news. It started over the comment "All lives matter". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EGzOTrzPts

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Both groups also pulled guns on each other lol. It was two groups of thugs shit talking, not some quaint innocent white mother out for a stroll with her toddler.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And you believe that because... ?

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because that's literally what her fiance reported to the police and in numerous interviews with the media. He also admitted to returning fire when she was murdered (which was justified in his case).

[–]834508946 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

George Floyd was murdered by police. That's objective fact clearly proven by video.

What the hell are you smoking? Post that crap to reddit.

[–]AFutureConcern 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. The only reason people think he was murdered is because of rampant censorship of the countervailing opinion. Lots of people have fallen into this trap, forgetting that the media always lies and exaggerates. It's pretty clear from the autopsy that he had lethal levels of fentanyl in his blood, and didn't die of asphyxiation. So at most the police's actions gave him a higher chance of dying. But I think given that they called EMS and restrained him, preventing him from harming himself in his state of excited delerium, there's a good chance their actions actually gave him a higher chance of survival.

[–]america_first_1776 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

NIGGER or NIGGA was never actually said in the conversation. That's what typical antiwhites always say happened to justify their genocide of our people

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole story is a racial PsyOp.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, it is ZioCon owned. Jewish Zionists are often writers for this column and they love the perps who did 9/11. The Likudniks!