Young White Mother Killed By Black Lives Matter Mob for Allegedly Saying ‘All Lives Matter'

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[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

Floyd?

Saying you can't breathe and then dying is "resisting" now?

Also I read the "bodycam transcript" and within the first few lines I see police needlessly escalating while Floyd is apologizing. Maybe he's not fully following instructions because he's confused... maybe. Shouting and swearing isn't going to help that situation. The police approach of using force and abuse at the slightest bit of perceived noncompliance is totally fucked.

People don't deserve to be shot or choked just because they can't play police's fucked-up "Simon says" games well or quick enough.

And even if Floyd was methed up and violent (which he wasn't) it still wouldn't justify kneeling on him for 8 minutes, which would still be murder. George Floyd was murdered. If you can't agree with that simple objectively true statement then I don't even know how to talk to you.

[–]BigFatRetard 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I suspect on Day 1 anyone who saw the video probably would have fully agreed that it was murder. Hell, one of the other officers was like "Uh... He's dead. Shouldn't we do something?"

I think that at this point a lot of people are changing their viewpoints not because objective reality has changed, but because it feels like cognitive dissonance to simultaneously believe that George Floyd was murdered and should not have died and a police system that allowed that and possibly let Chauvin walk needs to be modified, and that the resulting death and destruction is beyond reprehensible and is inexcusable and the police need to step in and start using real force to protect the majority's rights from violent mobs if need be.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've seen enough of these stories (the most recent one being Ahmaud Arbery) that I guessed right away that there was probably something fake about the story. That said, it did look like the guy was being suffocated by the guy's knee. The moment I found out that the knee-on-neck was a standard police restraint, however, I knew that the story was fake news. Why would it be a standard police procedure unless it actually was an effective and safe restraint? It's probably been tested and found to be safer than other kinds of restraint. Then the autopsy came out, and confirmed that Floyd was overdosing on fentanyl and didn't die from asphyxiation.

The transcript of the bodycam footage, though, confirms his death as a suicide. He was saying "I can't breathe" before he was on the ground, being restrained. The restraint probably prevented him from harming himself further through continuing to resist arrest. Also the fact that the police called EMS who were quickly on the scene, gave him a better chance of survival.

Overall, I think that the police's actions gave Floyd a better chance of survival. Had they not been there, he could have driven off in his car, overdosed while at the wheel, and presented a danger to pedestrians and other vehicles. We'll see if the jury agrees, but I think the probability of Chauvin getting a fair trial is pretty low.

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The transcript of the bodycam footage, though, confirms his death as a suicide. He was saying "I can't breathe" before he was on the ground, being restrained.

What is you rationale for calling it a suicide? It's pretty clear he died from a combination of drug intoxication, a severe heart problem, stress from being arrested, and he had also recently 'recovered' from COVID. Studies are increasingly showing that symptoms can linger after a patient is testing negative. I have no doubt about him legitimately having trouble breathing.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As in, it's clear that without taking drugs he'd still be alive. Maybe suicide doesn't quite fit because he didn't intend to overdose, obviously, but that seems to be the major cause of death regardless. The transcript adds additional confirmation of the autopsy report; the fact that he couldn't breathe was due to the overdose, not the police's actions.

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For sure, I just don't see any way to twist everything into "he committed suicide." Sounds like he involuntarily manslaughtered himself, whoopsie

[–]dong_master 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The defense is going to claim that his death was not related to kneeling on his back/neck. If you read the body cam transcripts he was complaining of not being able to breathe as soon as he was handcuffed, before he was initially placed in the patrol car. It seems like he was having some sort of medical emergency exacerbated by the stress of being arrested. The first autopsy corroborates this narrative, although the autopsy ordered by the family somewhat disputes it. They're going to claim that the knee on back hold has been commonly used for decades without major incident (demonstrably true) and his death was a result of a combination of drug intoxication, existing heart condition, stress, and probably lingering symptoms of COVID which he is confirmed to have had.

Unless the defense colossally fucks up OR the jurors conspire to agree on a verdict due to societal pressure no one is going to jail for his death.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

although the autopsy ordered by the family somewhat disputes it.

Its made up. If you think otherwise, can you provide a link so I can read the autopsy?

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Which part are you saying is made up? The autopsy performed at the behest of the family was certainly performed. Whether or not we agree with it's conclusions is another matter haha I'm not sure if their autopsy will be admissible in the criminal trial or if it's only valid in the inevitable civil suit.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The autopsy performed at the behest of the family was certainly performed.

Mind linking to the autopsy then? I think the media is just lying.

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As far as I'm aware the family didn't release the complete PDF but no one, including the defense, are disputing that it was performed. https://apnews.com/d41cdf6cefbb3e5603a28e6dc07f9589

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok. I don't believe it.

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't believe what? It's laughable to think that the autopsy didn't take place. If you don't believe the conclusions then that is entirely reasonable but to believe it didn't take place at all is just being a fucking retard.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't believe that the second autopsy happend. I think it's a lie produced by the media.

I am evidence based and I see no evidence to suggest that it exists.

[–]dong_master 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well then you're retarded.