The riots have killed more people than Chauvin did... the madness needs to stop.

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[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

holey moley dude, this straight up defense of violence, isn't this supposed to be low pyramid? wtf?

NOBODY is an acceptable sacrifice in the effort to make things better, and this clearly isn't about police brutality in the US anymore, the org is not called End Police Brutality and it has openly stated other goals (that have nothing to do with the thriving of people of African ancestry). There were other options available to help with this problem and have been for a long time, and they CHOSE to hurt people instead.

And don't give me "why don't you care about police brutality when people are hurting people to make you pay attention" we had an actual productive conversation about it earlier.

And your earlier comment about "insurance covers it you know" lead me to be surprised when I learned that many small businesses are going to be closing permanently; I really had thought "oh insurance covers it the riots really won't hurt anything." Well, they did, lots of people's lives, that again, are NOT ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICES.

And this comment of yours too, openly glorifying violence.

As you said, "They'll cheer on murder as long as [they like the cause behind it]. Disgusting."

I feel right for being wary of possible bias on SaidIt and how it seemed like censorship with biased rules was being used in the same way it was on reddit, just less and with more transparency.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

https://saidit.net/s/PoliceMisconduct/comments/4r27/cop_chokes_a_woman_to_stop_her_from_telling_her/hn8p

This comment does not "openly glorify violence"

You're twisting the truth, and taking what I said out of context, to try and make me look bad. Shameful.

Misrepresenting people's opinions for character assassinations is pretty low on the pyramid of debate. So how about you be the change you want to see in the world?

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your statements about the validity of the violent, deadly events taking place has been almost entirely positive, and you have minimized the damage to such a degree that I believed verifiably false things as a result of your comments. Do you think the people who made the riots happen are Heroes? Despite all the harm they have intentionally caused? All the death they have caused, of black lives no less, that you have minimized here? Surely the riot organizers and rioters alike could predict such a thing could happen? (Of course marginalized people will be disproportionately affected by widespread violence) If you do not condemn violence here you do not condemn violence in general, you just condemn it when it doesn't serve a cause you like.

If I've taken anything out of context, or misunderstood, then just correct it.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're mixing the protests and the riots like they're the same thing.

I said I support the protests.

I never said I support the riots.

And I've actually had many posts I've made lately speaking out against people who are deliberately creating the riots as a way to "spearhead the opposition" of the protesters and destroy their credibility in the eyes of the public. I do not want anyone to be hurt or injured, nor have I ever said anything like that.

You seem to have misunderstood my actual position on this issue quite a bit, so I hope these corrections help clear the air.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They're not the same thing? I admit I haven't been around SaidIt lately so I haven't seen all the conversation on this topic.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, they're not the same thing.

The peaceful protesters were trying to stop the rioters for many days, to ensure it remained peaceful.

Then a man in a police-issue uniform came and smashed the first window in Minneapolis. And you know about the pallets of bricks...

Those in power are trying to manipulate this peaceful seeking of change, in to a violent riot to de-legitimize the protesters. And it looks like it worked, for you. So then all the peaceful people who just want police justice reform are getting ignored because of the spectacle of the riots, and the media is just exacerbating the situation by conflating the rioters with the protestors. This is a deliberate tactic.

You might find this article interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Then once they've intentionally triggered riots, it's hard to make things go back to being peaceful, because opportunist criminals start coming from other states to loot. It creates a feedback loop that has completely distracted from the original purpose, which is why those in power do such things.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I saw the post about the police doing that, yeah. But the riotsprotests in general remain suspect to me. Too much stuff about how all the things they're saying just don't hold up. Police brutality is an issue, but it doesn't seem like people with visible recent african ancestry are the most harmed by this from the numbers people have posted. Exact same things have happened to white people, why add the racial element when it's not necessary? Why HYPE UP the racial element? All the corporate stuff I've seen is all about race stuff and very little about the police. Saw another graphic pointing out that BLM tends to try to get a lot of hype in election years, and there was the other thing pointing out that BLM donations go to the DNC (illegal).

I feel suspicious about the whole thing. At this point I don't think the original purpose was a desire to improve policing practice in the US. And would like more info about what's known about protestors attempting to keep things entirely peaceful and other actors attempting to create violence.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why HYPE UP the racial element?

Because the divide and conquer by race, keeps people from uniting to fix a common problem that we all face. Because if we unite, that challenges the existing power structure.

They're confusing people in to submission by pitting them against each other. And the media is quite clearly doing it intentionally.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the divide and conquer by race

right, but that's consistent with the whole thing being suspect from the start, right? not that it was hijacked?