The riots have killed more people than Chauvin did... the madness needs to stop.

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[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

How can you compare the 1004 people killed by police in 2019, people who are literally hired to protect us, with random violence in response?

You can't compare 330 million people's actions with that of the hired police force... it's not really a fair comparison.

Also why are you focused on taking down the rioters rather than seeking justice for police misconduct?

[–]H3v8 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I consider both threats equally dangerous, but the victims of the riots are not just those pictured or even those who died, as there are many people who live hand to mouth trying to maintain some small business which has now been destroyed. What will happen to those people now?

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's definitely a fair point. But we should also consider both the protests and the riots are temporary while the police misconduct is baked in to the system and has to be dealt with every day for decades to come. So while I don't condone anyone being killed or any small businesses being destroyed or looted, at the same time these types of things will happen during mass demonstrations, and the root of the reason the demonstrations are happening hasn't been resolved.

I think if there were big steps taken quickly to ensure justice for police who commit serious misconduct, then the protests would stop, then the riots would stop, and then we could get back to normal. I think that's the fastest route back to peace. But the establishment is making it hard to make these changes to police accountability, so the demonstrations have taken on an extreme form. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" as JFK said. It's just a natural law of the universe. And then the fact there are paid agent provocateurs deliberately trying to make things even more violent, is definitely not helping.

If the people of America had a laser-like focus on fixing the issue of justice for police misconduct, then we could fix all this in a matter of weeks. Instead I see a lot of media that is dividing-and-conquering us, pitting us against each other, in what should actually be a unifying moment where we should all come together against a common problem we all face as Americans.

We fix the police justice problem, we quell people's emotions, and that solves the protest, which removes the cover for the riots and those opportunists just looking to loot and destroy. It's the easiest path forward, but the media is doing everything it can to keep us from collectively realizing this path.

[–]zyxzevn 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The main problem is that this is not random violence, and is incited by the left media and Club Soros.
The left governments had also released many prisoners due to "corona".

Just compare this with the protests in Hong Kong or Paris, that have been going on for a long time. This looks more like the aftermath of a fascist riot (like kristalnacht).

I do agree with you partially..

The American Police is badly trained for this job, and has bad people in it. The way they deal with problems is overly aggressive and seems more violence towards certain groups.

But the criminal problems are much larger than in the EU or HK. The drugsmafia rules in the US, and corruption, and I think the best way to stop all that is by legalizing the drugs (with careful warnings) and prostitution (with legal protection). But that would cost the CIA billions.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The main problem is that this is not random violence, and is incited by the left media and Club Soros.

Yeah a good portion of it seems to be, I agree. And I wish this would become more clear for the public, but this is of course the very thing the media is working hardest to cover up.

I also think there's more than just a hierarchy under Soros, I think other billionaires are involved as well. He's a very obvious player, but I think there are other players with similar aspirations. Soro's game of shorting countries he destabilizes is well-known among billionaires now, so I would not be surprised to see more hyper-wealthy doing the same.

Plus this looks like a Color Revolution in many countries, which were often CIA-guided "revolutions" as I understand it. The CIA has overthrown so many governments, why wouldn't they do it here too? It's like their main move, and if they're losing power then they might play that card here, and that could be what we are seeing.

There are so many external organizations that want to take down the US government, plus all the hyper-emotional people who want to take down Trump at any cost. Then there's the ACAB people, and the people who just want to steal and loot stuff and go out of state to do it.

Then there's of course the people who want actual police justice reform. The reason this whole thing started in the first place. But with all the other noise, it's very difficult to actually make that reform. So many distractions, so many divide-and-conquer tactics being played by so many groups. And a media working hard to reinforce those tactics.

It's amazing anyone is making any progress at all with so many obstacles, and with so many organizations trying to hijack the popular movements that did organically arise.

The only solution is people have to become wise to all the manipulation. The psychological manipulation of information warfare has to be seen clearly by the public, and that's more and more becoming the case as people encounter it more frequently. So I have some hope.

I also agree about your legalization ideas. Worked for Portugal.

Also the police stations and officers should have some personal liability when they do misconduct, instead of the taxpayer covering all their legal expenses, etc. If they were actually liable they would have many less incidences of misconduct.

I think another idea is that cops should be tried by the state or some more independent 3rd party judicial system, rather than their local judge that they're buddies with because they're constantly prosecuting people together. And this whole "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" thing as a way of covering crimes needs to come to an end.

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sybil Egmonds names it the "deepstate" that is behind the riots.
This is one of the many daily videos (she talks a lot).
Coup In Effect: Many Swamp Heads Rising to the Surface!
She names many people and organisations that are financially supporting the "demonstrations".
She explains how the big money has taken over the left, even the anti-corporation organisations.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes big money has taken over the left and the right, and they just play a good-cop/bad-cop routine where they switch roles every 8 years, but are both colluding to gain more power over the American people. It's perverse and definitely does not represent the American people.

If we simply had a voting system that actually allowed for more than 2 parties to be viable candidates, then we might have a chance at changing things. But of course they don't want that because they've got everything so buttoned down.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sybil Edmonds is a shill. Just type into searx synil Ejmonds controlled opposition, she didn't even hide It with thr John Bircher Corbett.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is the US crime rate really that high compared to places with less of a problem with police brutality and fatal police encounters in general?

[–]copenseethe 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Police should be held to a higher standard than a random mob.
But an important point that needs to be made is that the media is promoting a general narrative of recent events as being peaceful protests. There is violence, killing and destruction taking place and it gets buried behind headlines of "Peaceful Protest".

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, police should be held to the standard of servants for civilians and the sovereign people. But police are enforcers of state corporations, municipality corporation and some horrid laws.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with all of that 100%

[–]whistlepig 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One could argue that the people who stoked/defended the police state and stoked the violence conducted by the rioters are the same people.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's very likely that is possible. But at the same time, if people actually addressed the problems created by those people with a laser-like focus, like focusing on fixing justice for police misconduct, then we'd be fine. But people fall for the second-order and third-order effects, and fall for divide-and-conquer, so that's why it works. The moment people see through the trick, is the moment it stops working.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well ZioCons support the police state and want military to be a domestic force. Soros funded both BLM and Kushner and Chabad Sects.

[–]mr_exx 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the establishment via entertainment industry, social media, and various mega corps are financing and enabling this behaviour based on a skewed understanding of police brutality. Most of the useful idiots supporting this narrative claim to be the underdogs while turning a blind eye to the working class victims suffering from this nonsense.

Are there corrupt police? Sure, but the fact of the matter is the numbers/data don't support this media hype narrative of the police getting out of hand and committing genocide on blacks. Only about 300 black people die a year by the hands of police, non white cops are more likely to kill blacks, cops are 18 times more likely to be killed than black criminals, and adjusted for proportion blacks are more likely to commit crimes which is why they clash with the police so often.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

holey moley dude, this straight up defense of violence, isn't this supposed to be low pyramid? wtf?

NOBODY is an acceptable sacrifice in the effort to make things better, and this clearly isn't about police brutality in the US anymore, the org is not called End Police Brutality and it has openly stated other goals (that have nothing to do with the thriving of people of African ancestry). There were other options available to help with this problem and have been for a long time, and they CHOSE to hurt people instead.

And don't give me "why don't you care about police brutality when people are hurting people to make you pay attention" we had an actual productive conversation about it earlier.

And your earlier comment about "insurance covers it you know" lead me to be surprised when I learned that many small businesses are going to be closing permanently; I really had thought "oh insurance covers it the riots really won't hurt anything." Well, they did, lots of people's lives, that again, are NOT ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICES.

And this comment of yours too, openly glorifying violence.

As you said, "They'll cheer on murder as long as [they like the cause behind it]. Disgusting."

I feel right for being wary of possible bias on SaidIt and how it seemed like censorship with biased rules was being used in the same way it was on reddit, just less and with more transparency.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

https://saidit.net/s/PoliceMisconduct/comments/4r27/cop_chokes_a_woman_to_stop_her_from_telling_her/hn8p

This comment does not "openly glorify violence"

You're twisting the truth, and taking what I said out of context, to try and make me look bad. Shameful.

Misrepresenting people's opinions for character assassinations is pretty low on the pyramid of debate. So how about you be the change you want to see in the world?

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your statements about the validity of the violent, deadly events taking place has been almost entirely positive, and you have minimized the damage to such a degree that I believed verifiably false things as a result of your comments. Do you think the people who made the riots happen are Heroes? Despite all the harm they have intentionally caused? All the death they have caused, of black lives no less, that you have minimized here? Surely the riot organizers and rioters alike could predict such a thing could happen? (Of course marginalized people will be disproportionately affected by widespread violence) If you do not condemn violence here you do not condemn violence in general, you just condemn it when it doesn't serve a cause you like.

If I've taken anything out of context, or misunderstood, then just correct it.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're mixing the protests and the riots like they're the same thing.

I said I support the protests.

I never said I support the riots.

And I've actually had many posts I've made lately speaking out against people who are deliberately creating the riots as a way to "spearhead the opposition" of the protesters and destroy their credibility in the eyes of the public. I do not want anyone to be hurt or injured, nor have I ever said anything like that.

You seem to have misunderstood my actual position on this issue quite a bit, so I hope these corrections help clear the air.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They're not the same thing? I admit I haven't been around SaidIt lately so I haven't seen all the conversation on this topic.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, they're not the same thing.

The peaceful protesters were trying to stop the rioters for many days, to ensure it remained peaceful.

Then a man in a police-issue uniform came and smashed the first window in Minneapolis. And you know about the pallets of bricks...

Those in power are trying to manipulate this peaceful seeking of change, in to a violent riot to de-legitimize the protesters. And it looks like it worked, for you. So then all the peaceful people who just want police justice reform are getting ignored because of the spectacle of the riots, and the media is just exacerbating the situation by conflating the rioters with the protestors. This is a deliberate tactic.

You might find this article interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Then once they've intentionally triggered riots, it's hard to make things go back to being peaceful, because opportunist criminals start coming from other states to loot. It creates a feedback loop that has completely distracted from the original purpose, which is why those in power do such things.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I saw the post about the police doing that, yeah. But the riotsprotests in general remain suspect to me. Too much stuff about how all the things they're saying just don't hold up. Police brutality is an issue, but it doesn't seem like people with visible recent african ancestry are the most harmed by this from the numbers people have posted. Exact same things have happened to white people, why add the racial element when it's not necessary? Why HYPE UP the racial element? All the corporate stuff I've seen is all about race stuff and very little about the police. Saw another graphic pointing out that BLM tends to try to get a lot of hype in election years, and there was the other thing pointing out that BLM donations go to the DNC (illegal).

I feel suspicious about the whole thing. At this point I don't think the original purpose was a desire to improve policing practice in the US. And would like more info about what's known about protestors attempting to keep things entirely peaceful and other actors attempting to create violence.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why HYPE UP the racial element?

Because the divide and conquer by race, keeps people from uniting to fix a common problem that we all face. Because if we unite, that challenges the existing power structure.

They're confusing people in to submission by pitting them against each other. And the media is quite clearly doing it intentionally.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the divide and conquer by race

right, but that's consistent with the whole thing being suspect from the start, right? not that it was hijacked?

[–]zyxzevn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Just wanted to post this:
Minneapolis is looking like the aftermath of a war after race-riots 2020

Any media that tells you that this is OK, is lying.
The riots and looting are extremely close to a civil war, and the left media are pushing for it.

[–]Osiriskills88 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

As long as we are focused on BLM and not focused on corrupt government. Trust me..fake media and government are at ease. This is deeper than the police issues. The whole system is corrupt. From police, to hospitals, to pharmacy, to monopoly companies. The list can go on and on. But if people are just focused on BLM and police. We are basically just fighting eachother, and none of the problems at hand. We have to remember police are people. Me and you could have went down the same path to become a cop. That wouldn't all of a suddenly mean we are bad or corrupt people.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah that's why I think "All Cops Are Bastards" is a dumb saying because then that leaves no room to improve. There are good police we should hold up as examples for others to follow, and there are bad police who need to be held accountable and face justice. We need police, but we also need them to be law-abiding and actually help the community they're supposed to be serving.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go further back to racketeering and chronic disease. The government has done far worse to the people and the people idolize them.

[–]comments 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are basically just fighting eachother, and none of the problems at hand.

Yeah. Let's fix stuff.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone burned down one store and it transferred to other stores.

[–]Layman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit." ["The Federalist," No. 51].

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Federalism destroyed the republic.

[–]Layman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

see it happen or relying on hearsay information to come to this determination?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No actual history. Hamiltons federalism is empire. Jefferson was no federalist and made that clear in his letters.

[–]Layman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that’s what you believe who am I to argue brother

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go down to the prison, and that's who you'll see, "just us"

- Richard Pryor

[–]Desdinova 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it has been established that Floyd's death was murder.

[–]joculator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are more, undoubtedly. If you know of any please post them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Simple: It isn't "JUSTICE". It is "DRAMA" because of the perceived lack of justice.

But in many ways, antagonisms are in clear view for the righteous actions to take place in order to heal.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Minneapolis police were trained by the IDF a foreign enemy that was part and parcel of the 9/11 false flag. Traitors.