[PyramidPractice] Are governments too opaque with COVID-19 lockdown policy? by danuker in PyramidPractice

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Well if we want to get high on the pyramid of debate the first thing we might need is an evaluation of the current situation with citations, that ought to get us to the top three levels... I hope (I'm still pretty new at this).

It's hard to say for my country (the USA). I was happy to see what I felt was clear guidance put out a little while ago by the federal gov't, detailing specific criteria required for re-opening in phases (hey, a citation!) that seemed sensible when I looked at it. I haven't been following as closely as I should be, but it's unclear how much of this is actually enforceable, and what each state is doing exactly, and whether they're following these guidances. I do kindof feel like people have been somewhat clear here about what the rules are, but then, I haven't really looked at it all that closely because I think we should be being more careful than we are. And I got a bit fatigued, and there are other pressing issues in my life that I'm trying to prioritize right now.

I'm not that happy with how transparent our gov't has been regarding the reasons for the guidance. I don't feel they've been fully honest, specifically with saying masks don't help and then saying they do, but I think that kind of way of handling things has probably carried over to other issues not just masks. It feels difficult to just get accurate, simple information and support resources that are based on the best current available info about how to help. I'm used to being told this is the sort of thing private entities out to be able to solve well and it seems like that's true to me, in terms of providing information and material support, but it doesn't seem to be materializing.

I feel I've gotten a bit off-topic. I feel there have been good attempts in my country to be transparent about the opening process, but it's not clear how well that's being followed through on at the state level. I'm not that sure what my state is doing, but that's because I haven't been paying attention. I am dissatisfied with government transparency in my country regarding COVID-19 on issues other than lockdown policy.

IP2 Subreddit violates pyramid. Completely toxic by ZZQ in help

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"just one post" sounds like a misrepresentation, and they don't "just make fun of streamers" (which itself is at the 2nd or 3rd lowest level on the pyramid). OP may or may not have some hidden personal motive to cause difficulties for IP2, but that doesn't mean OP isn't also calling attention to a real problem.

These are from the current comments:

Imagine crying to Attila like a faggot

 

Imagine being such a pussy that you need to run to a restroom and make up an excuse instead of just saying NO.

 

she's a whore she isn't putting that much thought into it

 

She probably just feels like a whore for letting you hit in the car. Plenty of time has passed where you wont look needy. Call her up, take her for a drive, and make her feel like a whore again.

 

This is the office for chinks.

 

Yes, does it trigger you little man

 

Better than having to deal with a ton of kike censorship. The faggot admins on this site are bad enough

 

this is content! who cares about that old hooker (username: sampepper-rapist)

 

Someone needs to kick that little freaks ass. Don't be drawing on the walls.

 

Knowing what and how she is tho you don’t want to breed with something like that and end up having a remake of her where you can’t buy enough shotgun shells to keep the coons away

 

lmao this loser still sucks bjorns dick go watch that faggot cry for more donos

 

Bjorn just mad because his ass is old. Plus he is a racist has ugly gook wife no children doesn't even own property also Bjorn has mouth herpes and is still trying to leech off Ice.

 

I LOVE SKANKY LOOKING CHICKS LIKE HER. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH , WITH A GIRL THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

 

What a Fag!

This is only going back two hours.

IP2 Subreddit violates pyramid. Completely toxic by ZZQ in help

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this sort of thing is common on IP2, have you never visited the sub?

Hey magnora7 WTF? by jmichaelhudsondotnet in AskSaidIt

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I like it! I think it's pretty helpful and interesting to see these concepts in action, see how they affect the conversation, etc. It helps to be able to recognize them and to understand why people care about them, and seems like it probably helps improve everyone's ability to have helpful discussions.

Hey magnora7 WTF? by jmichaelhudsondotnet in AskSaidIt

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I did not call you a shill, I said you are doing something that shills often do.

People pick up what seems "normal" behavior from those around them sometimes. I've heard the same advice time and time and time again -- "if you don't like it, just ignore it." I've repeated it too. I'm not sure now if it's good advice or not. Sometimes things need to be addressed, you wouldn't ignore early signs of an illness in your body, why do it in other contexts? But it's also true that people sometimes go around with the hope of provoking some sort of reaction, and that just building a good environment people can move to often seems more helpful than fighting a bad environment. But I suppose that's a form of allowing an invasion or allowing yourself to be marginalized, in a way.

I think pointing out the tactics people are using is helpful. Though I don't like the degree to which it's done with animosity and insults too, that doesn't really seem helpful to me and seems suspect.

Hey magnora7 WTF? by jmichaelhudsondotnet in AskSaidIt

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I don't really agree with anything in the above comment and I want /u/jmichaelhudsondotnet and anyone else passing by to know. not because I agree with him either or whatever, I just want to make it more clear that this is only one person's viewpoint in the comment I'm replying to.

Holding people accountable when they say they're offering something but then don't seem to actually be offering the thing (magnora7 as per OP) is a positive, helpful activity. "Just go somewhere else" is encouraging someone to self-marginalize. There's no reason jmh can't participate in culture here just as much as anyone else, and I think he's right when he points out the tactics being used sometimes. It's interesting to see the analysis of the techniques because it isn't always easy to put my finger on what's going on when people don't seem to be acting in good faith.

Hey magnora7 WTF? by jmichaelhudsondotnet in AskSaidIt

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shill tactic: call the person who was threatened, butthurt or overreacting, or some such to belittle them and the incident

this is also called "minimization" and yes it's a common thing with people who do or condone trying to hurt others.

Positive subs? by comments in AskSaidIt

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is this a joke reply? I appreciate the response I just wouldn't have thought people thought IP2 would fit the bill of what I was looking for. You find it to be a positive, healthy, productive kind of place?

New sub: DRUMS. Everything concerning drums, drumming, and drummers! Please stop by, and feel free to post about drums, drumming, and drummers. by Grateful in Introductions

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Nice to see new subs! Hope you can, er, drum up a good time over there! :P

IP2 MODS Deleting/Banning Their Critics Post -against TOS? by LINKS in AskSaidIt

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Which removal exactly is this OP about?

This is mod rule 4b:

4b) Mods CAN remove opposing opinions that are high on the pyramid of debate, and ban those users on that sub, if and only if the 2 following conditions are met: 1: The fact the sub removes opposing opinions is announced in the sub's sidebar. 2: The mods uncheck the sub setting "allow this sub to appear on /all"

IP2 doesn't list itself in /s/all by default, but does it announce on the sidebar that it removed certain opinions?

Some tips and tricks for browsing saidit by magnora7 in SaidIt

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He did? What is a "jannie"?

Some tips and tricks for browsing saidit by magnora7 in SaidIt

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It looks like it's not necessary to have people DM you, only to get a "message" from them, including just a reply comment.

New Apple 13.5 iOS update includes contact tracing by magnora7 in technology

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Most people will never do all this

that's because it's more difficult. if we can make it easier, that will help. it should ideally be easier to do this than to set up a compromisable/compromised home system.

What happened to the focus on "redpilling"? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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bit of an old post, but I saw it and thought I may as well add my thoughts.

This got a bit long.

Imo "redpilling" grew out of whatever pickup artist culture is. It's a culture that seems intentionally inconsistent with most ethics I was brought up with. That's what the "red pill" is -- you're actually supposed to be a "dark triad" bad person who hurts women because "they like it" if you want to have good things in life.

Around the 2016 election there was a campaign behind Trump that basically involved treating American whites, especially not highly educated or not wealthy or not urban whites, as a special interest group to pander to, like has been done with other ethnic or special interest groups in the US. It was heavily connected to this PUA culture type stuff.

It's basically another political party's version of "woke". I don't think it was really based on real education, but rather more on conversion tactics. People weren't doing the kinds of things that I would have expected in a good classroom for example, or on wikipedia, where the information is presented in a way that should at least attempt to be neutral, and students are genuinely encouraged to do their own exploration of the topic and come to their own conclusions. Instead it was highly manipulative and emotion driven, and people involved with it were primarily interested in getting others to see things a certain way rather than helping others to be genuinely more informed. Like "woke," a lot of ideas about being persecuted and others, including existing societal structures, being hidden enemies that should be treated as such. Is there truth in it? Sure, but I don't think it's really a movement whose main focus is truth and productivity, I think it was a manipulative election and and political campaign that grew partially out of a movement about how abusing people is good.

And now the election is over, so the campaign is pretty much over, but people haven't made new big campaigns in the meantime (COVID came along.) So people are going around still talking about and thinking about stale issues from a specific time and place meant to win the campaign because there hasn't been sufficient energy behind something else, and either people are lazy and just want something to talk and that's what's available or creating new content is hard or something. But I do think it's mostly stale and it's probably better for people to frame things today with whatever are actually the most pressing issues of today. Which aren't the same as whatever might win the 2016 election in the US, that's just not the correct focus.

Am I glad I know about all this "woke"/"redpill" stuff? I guess. It does seem like whites are being targeted in some ways that aren't ok, and that antidiscrimination laws seem a bit messed up, and that the "new left" is pretty abusive (and always was in ways I did not recognize before), and that Jews as a group really have done some shady stuff.

But I don't think that's educational. I don't think it's what a movement based on trying to help people be genuinely informed and able to look after their own interests would look like. And yes "education" is sometimes indoctrination too I have my problems with how it's run sometimes but there's also the idea of just helping people actually be more informed and skilled.


So basically I think "red pilling" was a 2016 election campaign based on making a special interest group out of whites and men that has strong ties with PUA culture which is probably mostly about encouraging men to be abusive. It'd diminished in prominence because the 2016 election is over.

Is anyone still interested in redpilling new people - creating easy-to-understand educational content and sharing it on platforms like Reddit, Facebook, and YouTube?

I'm interested in having spaces that I think are actually positive and helpful to people. I think a lot of these tactics weren't about education but were about manipulative conversion.

I think there's still lots of interest in actual education content that's easy to share and communicate -- this recent map post for example is fascinating and also not very political (or not politicized yet, pretty sure you could politicize which way the toilet paper faces if you really wanted to). As there has always been an interest in teaching techniques and efficient communication techniques.

Personally I'm not very interested in converting people to a specific viewpoint in what I think is a somewhat manipulative way. I don't really like political organizing based on, well, getting groups to fight each other, I think it's often a scam that some third party is usually profiting from at the expense of the fighting groups ("divide and conquor"). Yeah sometimes there are actual conflicts of interest that need to be resolved but I think there are usually way better ways of going about it that end up creating lasting friendship and cooperation rather than animosity and harm to both groups.

I am interested in creating a positive environment where people are cooperating and supported and good things are happening for everyone. Where people are getting things done that matter and help by actually doing them, rather than just "raising awareness" and complaining about things a lot, which yes has a place but it does not seem to translate into positive action nearly as much as it seems like it would in a well-organized environment that was supposed to support that.

I do think those infographic shareable things can be helpful too. I'd like seeing stuff like "how to make lasting, healthy friendships" or "tips for positive outcomes to common conflicts" or "this is how benefits accumulate over time when you put a little more effort in each day" or even "how to quickly build an easy-to-maintain garden that will provide half the food needs for a family of 4 for 1 year in X climate". Or if you want to get "political" about it "how to achieve positive outcomes when holding an authority accountable."


Well those are some of my thoughts, if you read them, but was there a certain kind of content you were looking to make and collaborate on? Those are my feelings about it right now but people have different interests and projects.

"Toxic workplace" by comments in whatever

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Wow, that content from friends feature is amazing, I had no idea about that. Thank you. I knew about the "friend" button but I didn't know it really did anything except adding people to a private list somewhere.

I think it would help to have more clarity about how the pyramid of debate should be used for moderation (by admins or mods) and more consistency about that. But it's not even just lack of enforcement of that -- the pyramid of debate seems like it's meant to get at truth in some specific contexts, not to create a "work" culture (to the extent we're "working" here to find truth) that isn't toxic. It doesn't address at all some of the harmful cultural patterns discussed in the "toxic workplace" article I linked.

I know people have problems with reddit subs that overmoderate, lots of us have been banned for stuff, but it always seemed ok to me if it was consistent and clear and fair and the same for everyone. But it seems like it pretty clearly isn't anymore on reddit, at least a lot of places I've been people are encouraged to be, well, abusive towards some groups, while similar content directed at other groups is removed and results in a ban. It's not that I mind heavy moderation in some contexts, although it can be a problem if legitimate viewpoints are being suppressed, my problem with reddit has been more the very clear lack of fairness.

I don't think I know of any platform online that's actually just trying to create a healthy, "respectful workplace" kind of atmosphere. The internet is notorious for just saying "have a thick skin get over it deal with it they can say what they want," which might be a healthy strategy but it's also minimization that doesn't acknowledge that those things are actually harmful (which is part of why it's such a relief to see that harm acknowledged in the wikipedia article). Why is it like this? Do people mostly usually just manage their own communities privately? Do people mostly just tolerate bad "working" conditions for online conversation? It's not just SaidIt, it seems like with political philosophies too, there are all these rules and rights and talk about it but the goal never seems to be actually creating a healthy environment, it's always something else it seems is the primary goal (like e.g. "free speech" rather than "healthy environment"). And yeah I know "this is harmful to the public good" can be used dishonestly like moderation at reddit has been. It just seems like a lot of these things aren't really aimed at making things a good environment, but at something else somehow. Why is it like that? Why are we having those sorts of conversations and discussions about how things should be and the things that are worrisome about how things are?

Feel free to reply or not as you like, I know this got a bit long and I don't want to make like I expect a reply to it, I just wanted to add more of my thinking about this here.

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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what does a good exodus day need?

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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I did not know how controlled it is ... how controlled is it?

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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well then let's fill 'em with the kind of quality, good, meaningful, productive, non-compromised stuff that's been difficult to create on reddit and other compromised platforms

Two Chinese Companies Control 52% of Bitcoin Network by MarkoVidrih in news

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good to know...

is it possible for the network to be taken over?

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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doublepost

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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Striker reporting in stay strong everyone!

strike bonus points: submit material you would have submitted to reddit to alt sites

Reddit Strike Day - Do NOT use Reddit AT ALL on May 20th by d3rr in MeanwhileOnReddit

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4chan too? what posts got you banned?

r/watchredditdie was censored/basically removed to slow down the growing popularity of saidit, keep putting saidit.net in your reddit comments to grow awareness by Hellothereawesome in WorldNews

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Hey, welcome! Personally I just browse the front page since SaidIt is still pretty small. Sometimes I use the "new" and "comments" tab.

What kinds of subs do you like? Ones about, uh, geese and/or Canada?

One of the few places left where you can watch Plandemic... very interesting times we live in folks by Hellothereawesome in WorldNews

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Where has this been censored?

What are some silly topics we could debate about for fun? by comments in AskSaidIt

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Maybe fictional stuff with a wide audience?

What are some silly topics we could debate about for fun? by comments in AskSaidIt

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Maybe really obscure stuff? Old bicycle designs? The sport of luge? Strange Guinness Book of Records entries?

What are some silly topics we could debate about for fun? by comments in AskSaidIt

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Its a trap?

/s/PyramidPractice Accounts Moderation Record by comments in PyramidPractice

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So I thought about this for a little while. I want this to be a thread where people can talk openly about their thoughts regarding moderation decisions here.

I don't like this comment though. It introduces a degree of hostility and ad-hom that wasn't part of the discussion before. I don't know what's going on here, but I feel pretty confident this sentiment could be expressed in a way that's both more respectful and is based on a better understanding of why I thought it was a good idea to ban the user.

I decided to update the rules for this post a bit to require discussion here to be respectful. It might stifle discussion a bit, which I don't want, but I think it should still allow people to make any needed criticisms or appeals as there's no reason those can't be stated respectfully. And as is written in the OP I will link to a discussion thread in another sub if people would prefer discussing somewhere else under different terms of discussion.

I'm happy to talk about this more if you have serious criticisms that you don't feel I've understood. I don't want to compromise the intent of the sub, but I also don't want participants to feel like they can't talk to the mods if they have a concern about something. I don't like being treated with disrespect though. So if you'd like to talk about it more I'm happy to as long as the discussion remains respectful. I want to be clear that I'm not intending to stop this line of discussion at all -- I'm only intending to set standards for discussions here.

I'll be removing the above comment at some point soon, maybe along with this comment I'm typing now too since it's in the same thread. If you want to save it and continue discussing from the above comment you can post in another sub and link here or ask me to link here.

User repeatedly breaks pyramid. He didn’t learn from the last ban. by SOL1 in SaidIt

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Is there a public record of warnings and strikes and such somewhere?

[Pyramid Practice] Wittgenstein 1.01 by thefadd in PyramidPractice

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I'm not very familiar with Wittgenstein, is this meant for a technical audience? What exactly is the topic to be discussed here?

[Pyramid Practice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI) by thefadd in PyramidPractice

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Thanks for the submission! Can you resubmit this with a clearer title please? Maybe the title of the youtube video? It should be clear what the general topic is just from viewing the title.

I’ll Start by beermeem in PyramidPractice

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I'm removing this post because it does not contain the "[Pyramid Practice]" prefix in the title. Please include this next time. If someone would like to repost this topic with the prefix included (and preferably with a clearer title and topic description), they are welcome to do so.

/s/PyramidPractice Accounts Moderation Record by comments in PyramidPractice

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I agree in general, but as I tried to explain above, in this case I don't think a user would behave that way if they were trying to use the sub for its intended purpose.

/s/PyramidPractice Accounts Moderation Record by comments in PyramidPractice

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The mod log includes a lot of other things (content removal, wiki edits,etc) so it's a bit more trouble to look through for bans. I wanted action regarding specific users like this to be easy to find.

/s/PyramidPractice Accounts Moderation Record by comments in PyramidPractice

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Thanks, I appreciate the help, but this isn't the place for comments like this. The OP clearly stated "All top-level comments on this post should be from moderators indicating a specific action regarding a specific account." I will be removing the above comment.

[Pyramid Practice] Dishonesty in the Media by comments in PyramidPractice

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What are some things you feel have been trustworthy, and what are some things you've been more skeptical of?

[Pyramid Practice] Dishonesty in the Media by comments in PyramidPractice

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Where do you get your information that masks actually help?

Well, it feels difficult to bring to bear all the things I think I know about masks and how they work. It's difficult to completely state the reasons, so I don't think I can state my position with completeness. Refuting all these points might still leave the position "masks help" unrefuted since stating all the reasons is more work than I want to do right now. But here are some reasons I think they help:

  • They filter the air. Anything that filters the air, will, well, filter the air and remove things from it to some extent, things that might otherwise enter the body. Viral diseases are, as far as I know, transmitted by very small particles in the air that exit the respiratory and sometimes digestive tract of infected individuals. So anything that would reduce the amount of particles from the air getting into my respiratory tract should provide some protection against viral particles. Similarly, anything that reduces the amount of particles going out into the air from my breath should help reduce the number of viral particles I put out into the environment if I'm infected. So it should help both protect me and others if I filter the air coming out of and going into my respiratory tract.

  • Medical workers use them. As I understand it surgical masks are meant to reduce the particles going out from the breath of the surgeons. And medical personnel also use N95 respirators when treating COVID patients. Now, that's not proof they work, but it suggests that the authorities don't think masks and respirators do nothing.

  • When I looked at the issue back in January, the first things I saw were old studies about the flu. The article I saw showed that they were not 100% effective, but that they did help for respiratory illnesses. The very next day articles came out explicitly about coronavirus advising people not to wear masks. It seemed strange to me, and inaccurate because of what I'd read the day before and because it intuitively seemed like it would help. And it seemed strangely motivated to have this information being shared so widely like that so suddenly with such confidence of being accurate.

  • This isn't the study I saw before, but here's one from 2008 saying masks probably do help to protect people from influenza. Here's another that takes it as a given that masks help reduce the transmission of respiratory infections.

  • this article suggests they help when used properly and provides some supporting links

Introducing /s/PyramidPractice by comments in SaidIt

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So you say a sub to practice what the entire site is supposed to be about?

I think there's value in setting aside a space explicitly to just practice this, especially on topics that aren't serious or that we otherwise might not even care about that much. Usually the purpose of conversations on SaidIt seems to be primarily focused on the topic, rather than being primarily focused on practicing raising the pyramid of debate.

If it's helpful as practice hopefully that will bleed over into the rest of the site, and people will more naturally actively try to raise the pyramid level of debate in a way they're already comfortable with, rather than just trying to follow the rules or not get caught dragging the pyramid level of debate down.

It seemed like a fun and helpful idea when I had it, so I went ahead and made the sub. Now it's there for whoever wants to try it when they do.

/s/PyramidPractice Accounts Moderation Record by comments in PyramidPractice

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/u/beermeem has been banned for a while (but not permanently) for off-purpose posting.


This comment ("Ok boomer.") is pretty clear evidence that this user is knowingly participating in this sub in a way that is not at all in line with the sub's purpose.

This user has been banned from participating here for a while but not permanently.

Could I try to give this person lots of second chances and carefully coach them about how to participate appropriately? Yes, but I don't want to spend my time and energy doing that. And I don't want to deal with more potential inappropriate participation from them, or allow such participation to interfere with the intended use of the sub. Perhaps in the future this user will become interested in enjoying this sub for the discussions it's meant to facilitate, but in the meantime their inappropriate participation has been removed from the sub.

Pyramid of debate is ridiculous by Alpine in AskSaidIt

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When did IP2 join in the first place? Was it early on before SaidIt had established what kind of culture it was hoping to have?

How hard is it to run my own SaidIt clone? by comments in SaidIt

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Well I don't know if I'm going to do it, I'm just sortof casually exploring the option right now... SaidIt is well-put-together though it seems, it's kindof mind-boggling that I could just have my own SaidIt if I wanted to, I'd just have to download and set it up.

I didn't expect the admins to offer any kind of support getting the software set up somewhere else, so I really appreciate the offer to answer (reasonable, I assume) questions if I decide to try it. Thank you.

[Pyramid Practice] Dishonesty in the Media by comments in PyramidPractice

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I think "the mainstream media" in the USA were in general dishonest about the efficacy of masks in protecting against the wuhan coronavirus around January 2020. They claimed that masks did not help, but in fact they do. I think this was known at the time and they, or whoever gave them their content, knowingly spread misinformation.

How hard is it to run my own SaidIt clone? by comments in SaidIt

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I didn't realize other people had made SaidIt clones! Thank you for the getting started info.

How do I block accounts on SaidIt? by comments in help

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I see, thank you!

Pyramid of debate is ridiculous by Alpine in AskSaidIt

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/u/magnora7 /u/d3rr is this accurate? can you tell us more about why it was decided to give IP2 a space on SaidIt?

Ip2 sending there very best by Youknowwhats in SaidIt

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I don't really understand why IP2 is hosted here. It doesn't really seem to align with SaidIt's goals. Afaik IP2 took themselves off the frontpage originally because they just produced far more quantity of content, not because of the type of content. But now it's gotten to the point that they have special rules just for them... it doesn't seem right to me.

IP2 has said they'd be happy to find an alternative home, and that all they would want is time to comfortably make the changeover. There's no reason a parting of the ways would even need to happen on anything but the best of terms -- SaidIt could be proud of giving them a home for a time as fellow refugees from censorship, and they could remember SaidIt as a place that gave them a home as long as it made sense to. Heck, maybe they could even make their own SaidIt clone and mirror content as a sort of federated node eventually.

Is this someone contributing to the betterment of the site? by sol2 in SaidIt

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I think "nigger" is way overhyped. "Straight white male" is a far worse thing to be called in many contexts today. "Bigot" or "nazi" has a lot more power over people's actual lives, yet both are used freely on this site. "Nazi" is even fairly racialized.

How hard is it to run my own SaidIt clone? by comments in SaidIt

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Thank you for the reply!

I don't know if you might find anything useful in /s/DecentralizeAllThings/, but you might in /s/DecentralizeAllThings/wiki/. If you do set an instance up it would be nice of you to make notes and share them, perhaps on a wiki page for future reference and folks to contribute to.

Thank you for the reminder that notes are helpful for others too. I guess it's a kind of trail that others can follow more easily afterwards, even if it isn't the only way.

What is the history of SaidIt deciding to use the pyramid of debate? by comments in SaidIt

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Thank you for the reply!

Leftist Website Uses Image of White Protesters to Depict Story About Black Terror Suspect by P-38lightning in politics

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People should use what words they want, ... I guess you can tell them what to do, but I'm going to tell them they shouldn't listen to you. Now they can't please us both, so they'll just have to make up their own mind.

But as long as we're being prescriptive, you shouldn't tell people what to do like this. For one, it's not polite. For two, don't you take a leftist sort of stand on things? Maybe if you identify with OP you could apologize for the raw news guys and make sure to tell your friends that this sort of thing isn't ok, and that we need to stand up for whites as a whole when people try to unfairly target them like this? What they did was wrong, and it's good that it was detected and successfully "called out" rather than just being left to fester.

What is the history of SaidIt deciding to use the pyramid of debate? by comments in SaidIt

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/u/magnora7 /u/d3rr if you want to share about SaidIt history and didn't see this post

New "Chicken Game" that features doing wheelies onto oncoming traffic called "Swerving". How long until you think we see a video where this goes horribly wrong? It almost did twice in this video lol. by Enza in whatever

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not good :( this can't be legal? it shouldn't be hard to report people doing this if you have a car camera?

Anyone else boycotting Hollywood and modern shows as a whole? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Making it easy to avoid sourcing from China I think would help, just clearly labeling stuff that is China-free for example, making it easy to find and source so people who want to do this don't have to go do a bunch of research and can just find what they're looking for, made someplace they want to support.

Anyone else boycotting Hollywood and modern shows as a whole? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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I didn't realize this affected so many people. I guess I kindof knew, "It can't just be me, remember if you're having a problem others probably have similar ones too," but seeing people talk about it helps me see that it is a real problem.


I want to encourage people to change that and get more involved in bettering themselves and their community

<3 I think a lot of people want that, a good positive uplifting productive vibe like that.

Anyone else boycotting Hollywood and modern shows as a whole? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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ended up long..

tl;dr: don't want to pay so use free online games/video/social media. think I should replace with family/cultural stories or educational stuff.


I can't really afford entertainment. I mean I guess I could spend money on it, but it feels extremely unwise when I don't feel super secure otherwise.

So I use what's freely available on the internet ... and I still feel bad about that because I think I should be compensating people because I think that's how things work, from the bee and the flower to human relationships with each other.

I also have always kinda disliked "TV," even growing up. "It rots your brain," idk if that's true, good stories are important, but I always had that attitude. I did watch a lot of it anyway though.

What I have ended up replacing it with is online content creators who offer their stuff for free, basically. And free video games, and anonymous social media (hi, SaidIt.). Youtube/bitchute, webcomics.

What I think I should replace it with: telling stories from my family. I think that's what TV replaced, I think back in the days of yore we were supposed to gather around the village fire in the evening and listen to the elders tell of the great deeds of our ancestors. And "gossip". Real stuff.

I'm trying to do things I think are healthier entertainment wise. I think the best thing I've found is just being outside in our garden, it's so nice just to watch all the life out there doing its thing. Like, I found out what kind of flowers our lawn grass makes the other day just wandering around in the yard.

These are some things I've been thinking are good to do, but that I'm not currently doing:

  • people keep reminding me that project gutenberg has lots of good freely available stuff. also read the founder's story, it's heartwarming and a good story in and of itself. reminds you of the best of what this information system we've got can be.

  • religious/spiritual/whatever you want to call it stuff. these things are meant to help people live good lives and provide good material for reflection and engagement that elevates life.

  • more educational stuff than TV. my family sometimes watches lectures and stuff or audiobooks instead of fiction shows.

  • math. I got an introductory abstract math book a while ago that I thought I might go through, but I haven't really gotten into it.


That said, there's some stuff I watched that I do like. I liked Frozen.

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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how long do I need to I wait before assuming the report's been seen? there's no way to know what's happening with reports currently.

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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It usually takes a day or two to process reports, or thereabouts? It's just hard to tell if it's failed to go through properly or if it's still in the report queue.

The rich are sheltering from coronavirus in luxury retreats with guns by freespeech in news

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/u/female too, maybe?

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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I thought so too but I reported it with the button... twice I think? Nothing happened? Even for something obvious?

The rich are sheltering from coronavirus in luxury retreats with guns by freespeech in news

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Wait, isn't OP just the same unicorn/dcjogger/dcm person? Same sort of lingo.

The rich are sheltering from coronavirus in luxury retreats with guns by freespeech in news

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What a lovely place! I'm so happy for those people. Sounds like they made a sensible decision to go there even if it was a bit new for some of them. Good on whoever built these places, we could use more. Look at all that preserved wilderness and green space too.

Saidit has the chance to become a free speech social media by GreenCappy in SaidIt

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interesting idea for a gatekeeping thing that isn't (easily circumventable anyway) email

The Donald can't handle critical thought. This little comment got me banned. by Canbot in news

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oh. :/ it confuses the information stream when you choose a test that requires spreading fake information, you know. and it confuses the test result -- would you have been banned for a clearly legitimate criticism of the main views there?

Pyramid of debate is ridiculous by Alpine in AskSaidIt

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If I'm reading right, it sounds like the policy you're currently implementing as admins is to remove some (but not all? why some and not others?) stuff that's at the bottom two levels of the pyramid and to ban users who primarily post bottom-two-pyramid-level comments, except on IP2 which is given special treatment.

This seems different from what's stated in the ToS (emphasis added):

If a person is caught repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the Pyramid of Debate, they will be removed. If a person is caught repeatedly dragging the quality of discourse in an upward direction, they're highly valued!

When voting [...] think of the Pyramid of Debate and if the person you're voting on is moving discussion in an upward or downward direction on the pyramid.

When commenting or posting, think of the Pyramid of Debate, and if you are raising the level or lowering it.

These things all mention the direction, not the absolute level. It's confusing, consider what the actual policy is. Maybe you could clarify the ToS a bit so it's clear to new (and old) users what they should expect here and what kind of behavior is acceptable (and what is not)?

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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Where can I find this "old left"?

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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/u/magnora7 /u/d3rr isn't this spam?

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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I know there's a narrative that "aah religious people don't want you to play video gameeesss they're so craycray" but in my opinion their criticisms are for the most part pretty valid. People spend billions of dollars trying to influence the messages people see, it seems absurd to me to suggest it's not possible for the messages to have any kind of influence that might affect the direction of society as a whole, or have an impact on anyone besides the individual viewer.

I don't like being controlled, and I do think the narrative right or whatever you want to call them, seemed pretty controlling and not very explanatory about what they were doing. NOW I have lots of good reasons for why the things they were advocating make sense from a secular perspective, but all I had back then was "well the bible says so," and that wasn't enough for me, so I didn't think they had a good enough reason.

A lot of the "leftist" stuff now seems just overtly anti- well, anti-straight, -white, and -male, overtly so. I don't like it. It doesn't feel universally uplifting the way I thought the left was about.

The Donald can't handle critical thought. This little comment got me banned. by Canbot in news

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Oh, interesting, thanks. It's a bit confusing to sort through when just casually browsing here, that's a pretty important claim though... if you summarized it here, might help a few more people be aware of what's going on.

I'm a leftist but I'm here by GreenCappy in Introductions

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called off? I don't understand what that means.

The COVID-19 mortality rate is turning out to be around 0.3% instead of 3-4% by magnora7 in WorldNews

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mere civilians like us can never verify anything like a bioweapon, that we have no chance of verifying ourselves, so everything we believe about these things is based upon the logical structure of who we trust and find credible

well idk about that. The sequence is out there, y'know? The papers about how to make viruses that aren't classified have been published. Sure there's probably some classified stuff but there's a lot that's not. We can do some amount of investigation ourselves even with little expertise.

The Donald can't handle critical thought. This little comment got me banned. by Canbot in news

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Oh I see, sorry, I didn't look closely enough, I thought you meant one of the comments in the OP of the linked page.

The comment is deleted, what did it say?

The Donald can't handle critical thought. This little comment got me banned. by Canbot in news

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yeah, it's not just "the left"

https://old.reddit.com/r/FreezePeachInAction/

The Donald can't handle critical thought. This little comment got me banned. by Canbot in news

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Which comment exactly got you banned?

Another man shot and killed by HPD officer after stealing Taser during traffic stop by magnora7 in PoliceMisconduct

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well we don't, police misconduct will probably keep happening in the meantime, but starvation and the virus seem like bigger threats right now, imo.

How to escape a reddit ban by GreenCappy in AskSaidIt

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What were you banned for?

Another man shot and killed by HPD officer after stealing Taser during traffic stop by magnora7 in PoliceMisconduct

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I'm pretty sure enough people want it... but the world is a bit different now with covid in terms of securing funding and priorities and stuff. I guess I feel we ought if possible to concentrate on that more for the time being, and basic food security and stuff, but let's remember about this when things are more secure again.

This list is incomplete 👀 ☭ 👀 by GreenCappy in dankmemes

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It's a joke

no, it's not "just a joke haha I don't actually have any admiration for stalin/hitler/atrocities what could possibly give you that idea." Look I'm sorry if you've gotten caught up in something gross, but it usually isn't just a joke to the people running these scenes, these sorts of things are usually carefully crafted to make them appealing while hiding true purpose (i.e. actual admiration of Stalin.)

How did you get into this stuff? You don't really seem here for dialogue and positive engagement, y'know? Just to push a certain viewpoint? Is this what your friends like? My friends thought showing people those shock images to disturb people was cool back in the day too, but looking back it really was just gross and wrong.

Stalin killed a lot of people, y'know? Horribly? In real life? Like they're actually gone and won't come back, forever, and people loved them?

Youtube piracy by GreenCappy in piracy

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I think piracy is wrong, yeah, and it's kindof appalling to me how most people I know don't think it's a problem at all. It's a form of theft... :( I don't really see how piracy isn't illegal.

Inceldom is a cult. If you’re romantically / sexually desperate please read the following in order to protect yourself by GreenCappy in Incels

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please don't go to prostitutes, or if you do, do your research and make sure they're not trafficked and it's easy for them to choose a different way of supporting themselves so you know they're not trapped.

This sub is basically antisemitism by GreenCappy in Jews

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Do you hate Arabs, Ethiopians, and other non-Jewish Semitic people? You don't have the excuse of ignorance anymore, people have patiently explained why it's appropriative to use that word the way you are. How can you keep doing it knowing how it hurts people to do it? Don't you want to be good to everyone?

Youtube piracy by GreenCappy in piracy

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because videos are digital and aren't an "item"? because no financial assets are involved?

This list is incomplete 👀 ☭ 👀 by GreenCappy in dankmemes

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Are you actually praising Stalin? Wtf? He was worse than Hitler?

If u want you're OK with nazis being allowed but want ISIS to be banned you're an hypocrite. by GreenCappy in unpopularopinion

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If you really believe that the Muslim god is more monstrous than Hitler there's something wrong with you.

Don't you think, given what Islam has done, and what the NSDAP has done, that the opposite of this statement is actually what's true?

Youtube piracy by GreenCappy in piracy

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How does OP fit with rule 1? /u/magnora7 /u/d3rr

Vending of illegal items and research chemicals are not allowed. Nor is discussion of vendors regarding illegal items, links to vendors buying/selling illegal items, or links to pages with links of vendors of illegal items. Subs and users caught buying or selling illegal items, or discussing such, will be removed.

Chinese Government Lays Off Entire Propaganda Team As American Media Doing Their Job For Them | The Babylon Bee by Sw0rdofDam0cles in funny

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That might mean it's good satire! There's a whole sub dedicated to nottheonion, after all...

I've created s/FuckTheAltRight! by [deleted] in Introductions

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thanks, I see it's linked from the Terms & Conditions page now. I guess the FAQ section on moderator rules is just a touch out of date /u/magnora7 /u/d3rr idk if you want to update that.

Another man shot and killed by HPD officer after stealing Taser during traffic stop by magnora7 in PoliceMisconduct

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Some of them are decent. Some are stupid, and some are outright murderers. Just like the rest of us.

yeah. And also unlike the rest of us, they're, well, literally risking their lives every day. Their job is very dangerous. Frankly that's probably something we should work on improving too, just like we make sure medical workers have adequate PPE when dealing with dangerous infectious diseases. I feel uncomfortable with getting others to do dangerous stuff for me as police in a similar way as I feel uncomfortable offloading risk to other people who are probably doing it for money because they don't want to starve, at least in part. It doesn't strike me as quite right.

I don't like the cop hating. I think accountability and cooperation is a better tak, maybe I don't know the full story about what's going on with police, but an honest cop should be as beloved as a corrupt one is hated. Maybe even moreso, an honest cop is part of what's standing in between me and not just violent criminals, but also corrupt cops. I would love to come up with a better system to shape behavior so that we're all safer, but until we have that, well, I'm very grateful for any help I get protecting myself, y'know? It's not like there aren't violent criminals in the world and it seems like they genuinely do protect me from them.

I saw a (blackish) guy get arrested a little while ago outside my (mostly whiteish/asian-ish/"nice" neighborhood) house. They were just talking to him at first, and I was glued to the window the whole time, watching, wanting to make sure I saw if they did something they weren't supposed to do, like I hear about all the time. They talked for a long time and eventually to my surprise arrested him, and later it was revealed he was wanted for something else. The cops didn't do anything wrong, as far as I could tell. No struggle, no hitting, no nothing, just discussion, orderly, correctly-performed cuffing, and guiding him into the police car. I felt mixed feelings for being so suspicious of the cops doing their job to protect me, and for being so trusting and protective of the random guy going around the neighborhood.

Another man shot and killed by HPD officer after stealing Taser during traffic stop by magnora7 in PoliceMisconduct

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TIL about Switzerland & good results even with guns, ty.

I think in the US the problems are police training is too short and too oriented around avoiding liability rather than de-escalation, non-fatal captures, and community support.

well that's pretty specific... let's get to fixing it?

Chinese Government Lays Off Entire Propaganda Team As American Media Doing Their Job For Them | The Babylon Bee by Sw0rdofDam0cles in funny

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babylon bee is a satire publication, like the onion?