Even the CDC Now Admits That the Vaccinated Likely Have a Higher Risk of Infection With New Covid Variant

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[–]P-38lightning 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is just the CDC trying to get everyone to take the new booster most likely at the urging of big Pharm.

If you believe anything coming from the CDC after what they did to us for the past 3 years, I really don't know what to tell you.

[–]In-the-clouds 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The article mentions how this coincides with the "new election."

But the so-called vaccine they are talking about is what Trump told everyone to take. People are deceived if they think the Republican party is significantly different from the Democratic party. Both sides push the same things. The only way out of this hellish world is to turn away from sin, and turn to the Savior who shed his blood for you on the cross.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the side that says we should murder babies and sterilize autistic children is the same as the one who says we ought not

gg

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would say yes, yes it is. You see they both SAY the opposite of what the other side does, they both point it out.... then do nothing at all except worthless talking, then pass themselves more tax breaks and raises. Which part of this is not the same?

I can tell you that I am ABHORED by chinese labor and sweatshops for kids, but if I do not stop buying all their products am I any different than the people who could give two shits about the same thing, and just like the lower prices? The answer is no, no I am not. And this is no different.

[–]TheMaharishi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Everyone with a device that uses cobalt metal. Is effectively pro killing poor people in 3rd world countries.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair, they probably had it coming.

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The vax and especially the booster give IgG4 antibodies. They let the body ignore any SARS-Cov2 virus and variants.
The vax spike-proteins also degrade immunity in other ways. The pseudo-uridine that is only in the vax-mRNA reduces immunity. The mRNA causes an auto-immunity reaction, reducing immunity.
These people who got a jab should be glad that they did not die yet. Of VAIDS or turbo-cancer or mycarditis or brain-damage.

If you got jabbed, start following spike-detox protocol on http://flccc.com

[–]cunninglingus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Disinformation.

AXXA: where in this report (thegatewaypundit's source) does the CDC admit vaccinated people are at a higher risk?: https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/whats-new/covid-19-variant.html

>Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant.

[–]BobOki 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could." I notice that the CDC does this quite a bit to covers it's ass against being sued, just like ISPs say "UP TO" x speed.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

False

I notice that the CDC does this quite a bit to covers it's ass against being sued

Also false - as this is normal in scientific assessments. All tests deserve updating where possible.

[–]BobOki 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No it is not. No science based org would EVER not even a theory as a fact, especially when they are giving guidelines to others about their health and in many cases lives.

As for updating as more facts and evidence presents itself, THAT is normal and should be encouraged. What is not normal is to rush forward and tell people 100% unverified, untested, and not even evidence based opinions that fit their political/ideological bias as fact. That has not and never will be scientific, that is called fake news.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

Scientic results always use words like these. The essence of scientific study is to locate tendencies. Assuming that there are absolutes is a religion, not a science.

[–]BobOki 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you are not even reading what I typed. Last I checked hypothesis is not absolutes. If you are going to reply, at least have the common decency to read what you are applying to.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You wrote: "Scientific orgs DO NOT use words like "may" "likely" "possibly" "some" and "could."

Then you wrote: "No it is not. No science based org would EVER not even a theory as a fact, especially when they are giving guidelines to others about their health and in many cases lives."

This second assumption is a new topic regarding theory. That't not at issue. This is the issue: "Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant." This is a factual probability, based on scientific research. It's not a theory.

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now that you have written that, explain to me which part of THEORY = absolute. Explain to me which part of THEORIES are not FACTS = absolutes.

There is no such thing as a factual probability, there are just probabilities, theories, and facts. Now, I know this is hard to understand, three words and they are all kinda close to each other, but I implore you to learn the differences.

Probability - "the extent to which something is probable"

Fact - "a thing that is known or proved to be true"

Theory - "a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts"

Hypothesis - "a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation"

There cannot, by definition, be a "factual probability" as those two things are diametrically opposed. As a theory, that requires a well-substantiated explanation, which currently is something the CDC does NOT have, and at best they have hypothesis, backed by nothing but guesses. I did not see any studies showing that the existing vaccination will protect you from anything, we have proof existing that standard masks do nothing against SARS, and MULTIPLE studies and examples of places that did not wear masks or lockdown having substantially less infections as well as deaths, like Sweden.

In summary, everything you said is verifiably incorrect, and the CDC has presented nothing that backs what they are saying, and there are PLENTY of studies showing the opposite. I will not reply to your again on this, I have stated all that needs to be said, and if you are to say something after that then that is just your ego and hubris dripping forward and really I don't care about either of those, but by all means feel free to "get the last word in" because we all know the last word = you won the conversation... ROFL

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In summary, everything you said is verifiably incorrect, and the CDC has presented nothing that backs what they are saying, and there are PLENTY of studies showing the opposite.

FALSE - and none of your other points develop an argument against:

Nearly all the U.S. population has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 from vaccination, previous infection, or both, and it is likely that these antibodies will continue to provide some protection against severe disease from this variant.

This is not a theory. It's obviously a result of verified scientific research and the results of 13 billion COVID vaccine doses that have been administered. Look up examples of scientific research. Saidit has discussed this topic numerous times.

[–]SeethingPeasant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is tons of data that shows people who got the jab have getten covid many many times and the only people in the hospital for covid now are the vaccinated. There's also tons of data that show masks did far, far more harm than good.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is tons of data that shows people who got the jab have getten covid many many times

LOL - FALSE

and the only people in the hospital for covid now are the vaccinated.

FALSE

There's also tons of data that show masks did far, far more harm than good.

FALSE

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

...AND in people who've not had the vaccine. AKA: everyone. And EVERYONE who is vaccinated can be infected by any COVID variant. BA.2.86 and all other variants can infect vaccinated people. Read about vaccines. See what they help with. They do not prevent infection. They prevent serious reactions to the infection, helping the body reject the virus ASAP.

Those who are most likely to suffer the most from a COVID infection are those who've never developed antibodies with the help of the vaccine or when getting COVID.

Hence the usual CDC advice in this case:

Get your COVID-19 vaccines, as recommended

Stay home if you are sick

Get tested for COVID-19 if needed

Seek treatment if you have COVID-19 and are at high risk of getting very sick

If you choose to wear a mask, wear a high-quality one that fits well over your nose and mouth

Improve ventilation

Wash your hands

Thegatewaypundit.com is obviously for people who can't understand how to read a CDC report.

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

...AND in people who've not had the vaccine.

No. The CDC actually says the exact opposite of your claim. The CDC says people who have not been injected with Covid mRNA have a lower risk. If you think about it, it's just common sense that the virus evolves to exploit the weakened immune systems of people who have been injected with Covid mRNA that hijacks the body's cells and turns them into spike protein factories.

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No. The CDC actually says the exact opposite of your claim. The CDC says people who have not been injected with Covid mRNA have a lower risk.

No - it does not say that in the report. Re-read it. It's really sad that you insist on this disinformation. It's as if you work for a disinformaiton campaign. As I note, the CDC does not exclude the unvaccinated, and of course advises: "Get your COVID-19 vaccines, as recommended." EVERY variant can infect EVERYONE. The mRNA disinformation is also ridiculous.

[–]AXXA[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mRNA vaccines use mRNA created in a laboratory to teach our cells how to make a protein

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html#mrna

[–]cunninglingus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I knew the mention of mRNA would help you change the subject. It's a differet discussion. The disinformation about it is ridiculous.

The subject is: it's disinformation to state that the "vaccinated likely have a higher risk of infection with new covid variant." They obviously do not. That's not in the CDC report and it's not a logical assumption.

[–]Fordry 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So basically only people who aren't vaccinated and haven't had covid are in the supposed group that is whatever amount less likely to get it but that means we get to throw around misleading titles about those who are vaxxed?

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Glad I never took that crap

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

My oil sump plug is leaking after I stripped the thread and had to tap the M14 thread to an M15. I got one last chance, gonna fit with an M16 helicoil this week. Ugh. Fucking aluminium threads suck.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Aluminum usually takes 40 Nm torque before it strips.

Do you think a dented exhaust manifold can decrease the performance in one cylinder?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Then I'm being trolled by my vehicle handbook which advised to torque as 43Nm.

It could, but probably negligible. Think the difference between using a baffle and not using a baffle. How bad is the dent? And more importantly, how did it happen? 😯

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It was a huge speed bump, I drove slowly but it touched anyway. Too bad the cat is in the same pipe otherwise I could just buy a new one

https://files.catbox.moe/uuzk0b.jpg

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd bite the bullet and de-cat with an aftermarket, but only because I can't stand a dent, it'd bug the hell out of me.

You could try the ice trick, but no guarantee it would work. Otherwise maybe a dent guy could 'tap' it out. They have these long tapper things that pop them back.

https://youtu.be/GNqA7ztNRKY?si=rLy6zrIMsxJYRJyn

[–]Irumiblue4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At least they are being honest.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Brain-dead take. Don't be bamboozled. Read carefully, I'll emphasize the important bit for you to see how your title and the sensational headline. See if you can spot the flaw in the headline claim:

the new variant “may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.”

It means people who have had jabs OR been sick might get it. This is contrasted with previous strains of the virus which were largely shrugged off by the pureblood who had been infected (as well as the jabbies who were allegedly not susceptible because of the jab). They are saying prior immunity doesn't help this time and you should be VERY AFRAID. I'm gonna need some data before I decide to be afraid, I just want to point out the claim being made in the headline is exactly wrong.

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have not been injected with Covid mRNA nor have I been infected with Covid. I am not afraid.

[–]iamonlyoneman 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

if you're not fat or extremely old and/or unhealthy you should never have been afraid

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

https://i.imgur.com/pOXfdH2.jpeg

[–]Karce33 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The OP headline is still accurate. Yes it omitted previously infected, but during the whole pandemic, everyone ignored all previous infection information, so why start now?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Read the article, it's poorly worded and can be taken different ways.

[–]TxFinds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The CDC has not admitted that the vaccinated likely have a higher risk of infection with the new COVID variant. In fact, the CDC has said that the vaccines are still effective against the new variant, but they may not be as effective as they were against previous variants.

The CDC has said that the new variant, BA.2.86, is more transmissible than previous variants, and it may be able to evade the protection of the vaccines. However, the CDC has also said that the vaccines are still effective at preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19.

The CDC is still monitoring the situation and will continue to update its recommendations as more information becomes available.

Here are some of the things that the CDC has said about the new variant:

The variant is more transmissible than previous variants. The variant may be able to evade the protection of the vaccines. The vaccines are still effective at preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19. The CDC is still monitoring the situation and will continue to update its recommendations as more information becomes available. It is important to stay up-to-date on the latest information about the new variant and the vaccines. You can do this by following the CDC's website and social media pages.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i think it's a hard and fast law of science that any new virus will evolve to be weaker over time. Cuz any super powerful virus that kill it's hosts will then not spread anymore, it needs people alive and moving around to spread to others. This means we should stop worrying about covid. The only reason why not is if labs are using gain of function techniques to make viruses more powerful artifically.