Elderly man gets hit in the head with his own wine bottle by two muggers on Chicago train after confronting him at 2am. Black on Asian, so none of the usual suspects will care.

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[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

I don't really think these crimes are racially motivated for the most part. I think focusing on the race aspect is a bit of a red herring here and I think at least part of the issue is due to Chinese propagandists trying to float a "everyone hates Asians in America" narrative to try to discourage people from defecting.

What I will say is I think that you get the black on asian attacks like this simply because poor black people and Asians tend to live close to each other, and the poverty is the driving factor behind these violent crimes. That and drugs but also links back into the poverty issue. How do you deal with it? Well you need to beef up policing and sentencing to make sure these violent people are not loose in society. That's something the left has fumbled consistently with compassionate messages. I'm all for giving the guy that did nothing besides get high or shoplifted something a second chance but violent crime? Fuck no. Maybe after a long time in jail if they prove themselves responsible a second chance is warranted, but the third chance should be a long drop and a short stop.

However dealing with the violence by beefing up sentencing and enforcement while good isn't going to deal with the root causes as to why crimes are up in the first place, it's just dealing with the symptoms, it needs to be done but the right doesn't seem to understand that educational opportunities and housing programs and community organizational structures and the like can go a long way to mitigating this stuff from getting this bad in the first place, naturally such programs are often woefully misrun and used merely as ways to get administrators and bureucrats fat paychecks and the right is damn correct in pointing that out, but throw out the baby with with the bathwater and rely only on bootstrapping to get people out of the terminal poverty spiral is also stupid. Why is there so much crime in these poor areas? Because crime pays better than whatever else you can get when you're uneducated and unable to pursue more lucrative legal and moral employment.

And well drugs play a huge roll as well but that's another point where the both sides have a huge blindspot. We can't just be alright what's wrong with legal heroin libertarian types (heroin fucks people up and is illegal for good reason) but we are also far beyond Singapore style enforcement where we can effectively death sentence the few drug users and scare everyone else into compliance. It's why counter intuitive shit like the needle exchanges make sense. They're doing it anyway might as well have them self identify to you so you can start putting them through detox.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Because crime pays better than whatever else you can get when you're uneducated and unable to pursue more lucrative legal and moral employment.

It doesn't actually. Drug dealers only make about $15/hour. It's that these people are so dumb that they can't predict what's going to happen when they commit crimes. They literally can't see the future. They just act in the moment and are surprised when they get caught.

I don't really think these crimes are racially motivated for the most part.

Sure they are. It's been going on for a long time. Remember the LA riots in 1992? What did the blacks do? They attacked immigrants. They tried to burn out the Korean-American community, because those slants had the audacity to march into "their" neighborhoods and build things like shopping centers and developments. It was an attempted ethnic cleansing. You can see firsthand evidence here, including a shootout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmsKGhLdZuQ

Worthwhile is noticing how the media has changed their reporting. Now they'd cover this up because it doesn't support their side.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The LA race riots were 30 years ago and have little to do with the current uptick in violence. They were more similar to the George Floyd riots where they attacked any and all businesses because they wanted to burn the city down. But they weren't targeting anyone specifically. White asian black all business owners were potential targets of the riots. An angry mob doesn't have ethics.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The black-on-immigrant violence has been going on for a long time, it hasn't stopped. Just look at this: https://mobile.twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1573861069281529859

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Blacks and immigrants both tend to live in impoverished areas. Immigrants make easier targets for crime because they are immigrants and don't know better or know how to work the system or the cops. And general crime rates have been going up.

The problem exists but the motivations are not racial. Black thugs in the city will attack whomever is handy to rob. Whites, other blacks, Asians. Doesn't matter. White thugs will do the same shit. Asian thugs will do the same shit.

We can point to good reasons why Asians tend to be more successful than other immigrants, strong family ties being the major factor, strong values towards education being another, that lead to the discrepancies that we see. You want to end the crime you've got to also instill those values on the youth in the hood and get grassroots cultural change to take hold. But that's hard to do cause any decent black folk are gonna leave the hood at their earliest convenience and frankly I can't blame them because I'd do the same.

I think a big issue that most Americans don't talk about is the class based stratification on where people live. Rich people in America might as well be living in a different country than the poor. They don't go to the same places shop at the same places or live in the same areas. Some of this is natural in societies and it's not entirely a bad thing but generally speaking once it reaches a certain point it leads to a lot of problems and a real break down in senses of community and a strong us vs them mindset.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The problem exists but the motivations are not racial.

Then why do they attack people based on ethnicity? Why all this going to bat for violent racists? Who stands up for the KKK when they attack someone? Jesus, take a step back and see what you're doing.

class based stratification on where people live.

You kidding? The Left in America long ago abandoned class as an issue in favor of race. The working class can go fuck themselves, especially if they're white. Remember when they voted for Trump?

"We have a whole planet to save. We don't need to "bring the jobs back". We need to do the job of saving the planet. We give these people jobs, what are they going to spend their money on? Meth and oxy. They are racist to the bone. That is obvious. They don't deserve to be sugar-coated. There is no reason to bend over backward to understand their motivation for voting for the guy who is a neo-nazi. America voted for hate.

Life expectancy among exactly one group is declining - late middle aged whites. Everyone else is getting better, often significantly. Let's let this trend continue and we can turn America into a left-wing majority country, open the borders, and welcome the world to share its culture with us.

Trump lied to them about jobs. They chose the lie. Clinton told them the truth. And they hated her for it. Let's give the white working class whatever they want. In the hope they choke on it. These are not your friends.

I am not going to justify their behavior, their inability to function in a changing economy, their shallow ethnonationalism, their entitlement, their stupidity. They deserve the worst that the Trump Administration will give them, and then they can either decide to vote for change, or they can fuck off and die. Really done with them. Tired of sucking up to them."

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Then why do they attack people based on ethnicity?

They don't. They attack people based on proximity and perceived risk vs reward. That's why elderly people get attacked because they can't fight back. Our society is just so obsessed with racial differences that when we see an attack we assume that race is the underlying cause. This ignores that most violence in our country is between people of the same "race".

You kidding? The Left in America long ago abandoned class as an issue in favor of race.

Yes the left in America is retarded and easily manipulatable by corporate interests.

Life expectancy among exactly one group is declining - late middle aged whites.

Yes because they are too fat.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They don't.

Yeah they do, what the fuck? The blacks deliberately targeted Korean businesses and tried to burn them down. Stop spreading disinformation.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look at the case linked in this topic. What evidence do you have that it was racially motivated?

The reporting on these cases is racially motivated. You'll rarely see articles like, black man attacked by black man, despite that being an extremely common occurrence. The Asians are certainly taking notice of the races of those that attack them, but the attackers are simple thugs that don't care about anything. Black white asian whatever if they can rob you they will. Thugs don't give a fuck. They have no honor. No code of ethics.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's a racial attack. Duh! He was attacked because he was Asian. Prove otherwise.

the attackers are simple thugs that don't care about anything.

This is just wrong. They can and do target people due to their race. You said "Immigrants make easier targets for crime".

You're arguing against yourself - and losing. :P LOL

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

legal heroin libertarian types

It'll save a lot of lives, junkies are mostly dying of fent. That synthetic stuff is just harder on the body and easier to overdose.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

True. But one must question whether or not it's worth it for society to save these lives at the cost of wider addiction.

I don't think we gain much from tossing addicts in prisons with other addicts and dealers and making their future employment prospects bleak. But that doesn't mean society should tolerate certain kinds of drug use. Heroin is basically only acceptable when you're gonna die anyway and it's like, well he's got terminal cancer this will make him feel better, be addicted for life but life is only like a couple days more so... What's the harm?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Heroin is basically only acceptable when you're gonna die anyway and it's like, well he's got terminal cancer this will make him feel better, be addicted for life but life is only like a couple days more so... What's the harm?

I agree with that.

My grandfather had a broken back among other injuries, guy was in pain constantly, and he was only allowed a very strict amount of hydrocodone. One of my Aunt's used to almost delight in denying him the opiates and making him take Tylenol instead. I never saw the point, he suffered a lot more than he had to in his final years. I said exactly what you did, what does it matter if he becomes dependent on it, or addicted, it was the ass end of life.

Myself, I believe I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos with early onset osteoarthritis -- that began 26 years ago or so and it mostly just gets worse with time. When there's big pressure changes, like from rain or storms, it totally hobbles me, and the pain can drive me out of my mind. I'd love if I could just pick up opiates. Used to be able to just buy em, still can, but now there's fent in everything and you're risking your life.

Not that they're indicated for use in EDS, in fact they make things worse because I will move like I'm not hurt and hurt myself worse, but all I have that works somewhat is kratom, and that's better for minor pain, and booze. I feel like I'm back in the 1800s, anesthetizing myself with alcohol. And that doesn't help when I'm already pain crazed.

I don't want people to get addicted and ruin their lives, or die, I really don't, but I also don't want to suffer and see others suffer because of the addicts.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Have you tried the Buddhist method of lying to yourself that the pain is just an illusion.

It's far from perfect but surprisingly effective.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't realize that was Buddhist in origin, but yes, I do use mindfulness as well as disassociation. The later isn't recommended, so I don't do it much, but when I've been up four or five days, idgaf.

I try a lot of different things, doing something even if it doesn't work that well is much better than just sitting there and suffering. The acupuncture seemed to help, although what I do is probably more accurately called microneedling.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not Buddhist in origin but popularized by the Tibetan monks that do the whole freezing mountain meditation shit. Disassociation is bad though, you don't want to disassociate yourself from feeling, you want to disassociate the pain from yourself. It only works so long as it's not excruciating but there's benefit to telling yourself the pain is not so bad to stop you from doing the things you want.

Granted having painkillers also helps greatly.