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    [–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, usually it's helping to pay off college loans of people in a foreign land, such as Ukraine or Afghanistan. So we're moving in the right direction

    [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    All the while they're keeping the predatory loan framework and taking advantage of the incoming new students.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    I've used services like that before, they're actually life savers. Zero interest loans, zero fees, and low monthly payments. It's a lot better than payday or car title loans.

    Groceries... We just buy bare essentials now. Meat and something to make meat into a meal, some produce.

    If anyone thought they'd bankrupt us into going vegan, they didn't, it just means meat gets top priority over everything else.

    [–]HiddenFox 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    When I see zero interest and zero fees I become very sceptical. Someone is paying somewhere along the way.

    Most likely, right now the stores are giving discounts/payments to the company handing out the loans for bringing in large quantities of customers. But as more people start using this service the stores will adjust the price along the way. We will all be paying for the service, it will just be hidden in the price.

    When we price things here in my businesses we total all the costs for the product and add on a set profit margin. If that comes out to $10 we then add another 2.5% for credit card fees at the end. Everyone pays that even if they pay cash. Point is if everyone paid in cash prices would be 2.5% cheaper. These free points and trips from the credit cards aren't really free.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    When I see zero interest and zero fees I become very sceptical. Someone is paying somewhere along the way.

    I suspect it's because they get a peek at your bank account and collect data about spending habits to sell. Crypto.com does this too.

    You're absolutely right, nothing is free. Someone said if you can't tell what the product the company is making money off of, then the product is you.

    Still really handy imo and a better deal than alternatives.

    [–]HiddenFox 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    All good points. And I agree they are a better option the a payday loan.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Interesting take.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Which part? The bit about groceries I would hope is anti-inflationary. They raise prices, we reduce our food budget. To increase our food budget would validate the higher prices.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I diddnt know there were pay later services with no fees and no interest. That sounds more like a person helping another person, rather than predatory pay day loans.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    . That sounds more like a person helping another person, rather than predatory pay day loans.

    I think they're selling the banking information they obtain, it's not noble or anything.

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Over how much time is it paid? 12 months?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I only did it twice, seeing if CBD helped when I really couldn't afford it and the payments get split into fourths.

    [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    In Sri Lanka there was a faster acceleration of the green revolution, which turned into an actual revolution and the mobs burned the President's house when there was no food to be had. There are worse places to be, but being poor sucks even in USA.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do they know how to make food. And are any of them near me? I cook really well, and if they buy the beans and rice, I can make them tons of really delicious food for like 50$. Like a months worth of protein and carbs.

    [–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    What do you mean "now"? We've been doing that for years. They're called credit cards.

    [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah was gonna say this. Doesn't seem new. Credit cards and payday loans and the like there's always some kind of totally upside down scheme primed to pounce on the working poor and keep them in debt.

    [–]cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    At least with credit cards you can avoid interest by paying them off every month.

    [–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    True credit cards aren't necessarily a bad thing if used right. However the business model itself tends to be pretty predatory towards the financially illiterate and the poor. The interest rates are extremely high when you do accumulate debt and the minimum payment plans the companies recommend are designed to increase your debt and leave you paying off the bills forever.

    There are times when going into debt is necessary. But the rise of these payday loan type schemes betrays a deeper problem with American society and that is the decline of family and community organizational structures. Optimally when someone has a hard spot in life family and neighbors often will chip in to help with groceries and the like. We'd do this in church whenever a member had an accident or sudden death in the family. However as our society becomes more atomized and normal social relations are usurped in replacement with online organizational structures the poor and vulnerable become easier targets for profiteering.

    Debt is not something that many poor people understand well. Many people have a sense of honor and wish to do the right thing, I assure you the banks holding your debt have no such reservations. I knew someone who paid into their upside down mortgage for years pleading with the bank to refinance but continued to faithfully make the payments while the bank give them the cold shoulder. I said simply, the bank will bleed you dry until you have nothing left to pay, then they will take the house and leave you with nothing. It is better now to not pay and then ask for refinancing, they might agree or might say no, but your choices are only these, stop paying and gamble on refinancing, you'll either keep the house or the money you've not paid yet. Pay faithfully, lose both.

    This person was stupid and chose the later option citing worries about credit score. The credit score is forfeit in either situation. But why do you care if the institutions that are bleeding you dry like you or not?

    [–]cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I see financial models of this kind as intentional divisiveness to exploit that 'atomization' you mention.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Aren't US as a whole built on debt anyways ?

    I'd had absolutely no regrets doing this.