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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's what I'm saying, the right is using free speech as a topic of concern but they don't really care about it either. If you remember decades ago the left was the party of free speech when it suited them.

If one cares about free speech, as I do, neither party is a long term solution.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They do, though. It's not a "both sides" argument.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They only care now when it's their speech being affected. They have been more than happy to silence their ideological opponents in the past. That is objective fact.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nope, a commitment to free speech was there from the beginning. This is simply not a "both sides" argument no matter how many times you try to make it so.

"Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool in the hands of leftists, they will enthusiastically use it and promote its growth. In doing this they will be repeating a pattern that leftism has shown again and again in the past. When the Bolsheviks in Russia were outsiders, they vigorously opposed censorship and the secret police, they advocated self-determination for ethnic minorities, and so forth; but as soon as they came into power themselves, they imposed a tighter censorship and created a more ruthless secret police than any that had existed under the tsars, and they oppressed ethnic minorities at least as much as the tsars had done. In the United States, a couple of decades ago when leftists were a minority in our universities, leftist professors were vigorous proponents of academic freedom, but today, in those of our universities where leftists have become dominant, they have shown themselves ready to take away from everyone else's academic freedom. (This is "political correctness.") The same will happen with leftists and technology: They will use it to oppress everyone else if they ever get it under their own control."

-- Ted Kazinsky, "The Unabomber Manifesto"

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The right was censoring music and the fags in the 90s and prior. They were known for that. The US used to be a very conservative and conformative place. There's a reason that iconic Apple ad was so popular. People felt repressed by the conservative ruling party, the right.

You're thinking of the party in the last twenty years, they've had to adapt. But if you think they won't go back to their old habits as soon as they're in charge again, well... I think that's naive.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The iconic Apple ad was fighting against IBM, which in Apple's view was some tyrannical monster. Meanwhile Apple used monopolist tactics to crush anyone who tried making Apple compatible computers, while IBM had an army of clones of its computers. Who was really on the side of freedom?

Apple's slogan is literally "Think Different" which was a childish dig to IBM's famous slogan "Think".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think either of those companies are on the side of freedom, but the commercial was engineered to appeal to that sentiment of the time. It just goes to show the mindset back then.

Apple used monopolist tactics to crush anyone who tried making Apple compatible computer

I'm glad they did, otherwise everyone might be using iOS right now.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The commercial was engineered to appeal to Apple's idea of itself. "We're smashing the tyranny! Free speech for all!" Something they were never for, they were only in favor of their own tyranny. That's why they took everyone who tried to make an Apple clone and sued them into bankruptcy. Apple clone computers did briefly exist and today command a high price in the collector's market.