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[–]Hel 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

If only there was some way to not work for a company you don’t want to work for.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You know that's the same argument used in support of vaccine mandates. On talk.lol there seemed to be support for "banning all the trannies," which while appealing, is ofc censorship that has been applied against people like us.

While turn around is fair play, this also highlights the problem for people who are concerned for free speech. The right also wants to ban speech as much as anyone, make people quit their jobs or "make their own platform," like that was even a viable option.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The right also wants to ban speech as much as anyone

Untrue. When you believe in free speech, you believe in free speech.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's what I'm saying, the right is using free speech as a topic of concern but they don't really care about it either. If you remember decades ago the left was the party of free speech when it suited them.

If one cares about free speech, as I do, neither party is a long term solution.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They do, though. It's not a "both sides" argument.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They only care now when it's their speech being affected. They have been more than happy to silence their ideological opponents in the past. That is objective fact.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nope, a commitment to free speech was there from the beginning. This is simply not a "both sides" argument no matter how many times you try to make it so.

"Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool in the hands of leftists, they will enthusiastically use it and promote its growth. In doing this they will be repeating a pattern that leftism has shown again and again in the past. When the Bolsheviks in Russia were outsiders, they vigorously opposed censorship and the secret police, they advocated self-determination for ethnic minorities, and so forth; but as soon as they came into power themselves, they imposed a tighter censorship and created a more ruthless secret police than any that had existed under the tsars, and they oppressed ethnic minorities at least as much as the tsars had done. In the United States, a couple of decades ago when leftists were a minority in our universities, leftist professors were vigorous proponents of academic freedom, but today, in those of our universities where leftists have become dominant, they have shown themselves ready to take away from everyone else's academic freedom. (This is "political correctness.") The same will happen with leftists and technology: They will use it to oppress everyone else if they ever get it under their own control."

-- Ted Kazinsky, "The Unabomber Manifesto"

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The right was censoring music and the fags in the 90s and prior. They were known for that. The US used to be a very conservative and conformative place. There's a reason that iconic Apple ad was so popular. People felt repressed by the conservative ruling party, the right.

You're thinking of the party in the last twenty years, they've had to adapt. But if you think they won't go back to their old habits as soon as they're in charge again, well... I think that's naive.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The iconic Apple ad was fighting against IBM, which in Apple's view was some tyrannical monster. Meanwhile Apple used monopolist tactics to crush anyone who tried making Apple compatible computers, while IBM had an army of clones of its computers. Who was really on the side of freedom?

Apple's slogan is literally "Think Different" which was a childish dig to IBM's famous slogan "Think".

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think either of those companies are on the side of freedom, but the commercial was engineered to appeal to that sentiment of the time. It just goes to show the mindset back then.

Apple used monopolist tactics to crush anyone who tried making Apple compatible computer

I'm glad they did, otherwise everyone might be using iOS right now.

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

An individual openly saying they don’t want to work for the person who just became their employer is the same “argument” as an employer telling their employees to get vaccinated or be fired?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, obviously. "If you don't like it, quit" is generally not a workable solution for the majority of people who require an income to live.

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What is your solution for the Twitter employee who doesn’t want to work for Elon Musk?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm glad you asked, because I see this as an opportunity for a teachable moment for the liberals. Take the higher road, show them how adults can reasonably disagree and still work together. Firstly, I think this is mostly emotional hyperbole. Few people actually want to quit out of protest. Second, their concerns can be listened to and taken seriously, if not acted on. That would have saved us a lot of trouble if they had done that instead of banning their ideological opposition. I think getting them to better detail their exact issues will be very handy for step 3, Learning. We have to get them to understand why what they did was wrong. Rehabilitate the libs, make them good productive Americans again.

I think something the right is not considering is that their popular support right now doesn't come from their core, those dudes were always there, it comes from the moderates who are siding with the right. The right has to stay moderate to retain that support. But my backup 3 point plan is shoving 3 pointy things in liberal asses for being little fascist fucks.

[–]Hel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would be interesting to hear his reasoning for not wanting to work for Musk

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They had no problem working for a company owned by the Saudis though.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's the Near Enemy versus the Far Enemy. They can't really get worked up to oppose the Saudis, even though they are everything they accuse the American people of being: sexist, racist, etc. The Near Enemy is right here, the American people, and they care deeply about fucking our shit up. SJWs know their enemies are ontologically evil and there is no act against them which is wrong.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope Elon Musk responds to some of them.

You know where the door is. Use it, your fired.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All who complain should be immediately fired.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dumb take.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

rly

Let me just stop you right there, champ.