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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm transgender and I agree that children don't have the capacity to properly analyze their gender: they likely don't entirely understand the concept of gender at that point in time. They are incapable of making a rational decision, so any "consent" they give is void. Instead, it's just the parents either forcing their will upon the child or neglecting them.

It's not until puberty that one can determine their gender identity, because at that point sex-related hormones begin to be produced, which can have a large impact upon gendered traits. I wasn't self-aware of my transgenderism until I was thirteen, and I still haven't medically transitioned in any way (18 at the time of writing).

Hormone blockers shouldn't be allowed (unless they're necessary for some other reason) because not only do they stunt a child's development, they prevents them from even knowing if they're transgender (it's normal for children to question their gender before puberty, because they don't entirely know what gender is).

Also: hormone replacement therapy shouldn't be allowed for transitional purposes until at least 18 (though dosage restrictions should be in place until 25), and surgeries shouldn't be allowed until around 21 or 25. Perhaps top surgery could be allowed at 21 and bottom surgery at 25, since the latter has much more impact.

Both sides should be against this. Many transgender people (including myself, as I explained) are against this, but the left continually promotes child abuse in the name of "diversity" and "equality", even though what they're doing only helps left-wing lunatics at the expense of children. It even hurts the transgender community, because it misrepresents what it truly means to be transgender. (Which the left does constantly.)

TLDR: I'm trans and even I'm against this. No hormone blockers, no hormones before 18, and no SRS until 21.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

don't they especially want to start transitioning before or during puberty, because your body is developing then. One problem for a male that wants to be female is once you're all done growing you have a big frame unlike women. Hormones could make you have a smaller womanly frame as you grow.

I agree this shouldn't be allowed because it's unhealthy for a child. But I know if a boy is under developing and in danger of becoming an incel, like he will have a small frame, short, bad chin, he should be put on immediete HGH. After puberty and growing is done it is too late to make a difference.

[–]Trajan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are definite advantages and disadvantages to early interventions. Male-to-female will have a less masculinised appearance. The downsides considerably outweigh that benefit. Most children simply grow out of this if not medicated. That there is a drive to medicalise this confusion reveals the ideological motivations. Would they consider such drastic interventions in any other condition where the majority of cases simply go into remission?

Also, retarding the development of the genitals leaves less material available for making a front hole. This is in addition to a range of life-long health risks and the need to be medicated for life. All this for a majority of patients who would have recovered with little more than therapy needed.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that is all true but just wanted to point out the problems with that self identified trans person saying it should just be waited till after a person is done growing, really too late then. Instead of "waiting" just never do it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your frame is generally more reliant upon genetics than hormones. Hormones have an influence in women because they need to be able to give birth, but that's primarily around the hips. I've seen cis-women who have large frames and cis-men who have small frames, though generally it's the other way around.

My frame's not really been an issue for me and I've never taken hormones. It's not great, but it's not terrible either — and that's all up to genetics.

If someone under 18 needs treatment for non-transitional purposes that's entirely fine, btw. It's just when you want to counter your natural development when it needs to wait.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

frame has to do with testosterone levels during puberty, gotta boost them. They're low for men these days cuz of poullution and bad diets. If you saw a cis woman with a big frame, sucks for her, she looks manly, maybe should have been on estrogen during pubberty.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Incels can boost their testosterone naturally. They just can't be bothered.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately Paul McHugh seems to be pretty much a lone voice rather than having the full support of his organisation.

[–]YouBowIPiss 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Rot,usa,rot!!!!!

[–]Nemacolin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do we have to keep running this nonsense every month or so?

[–]jet199 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Until the government stops putting little boys on hormones because they sing songs from Frozen.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. Whatever.

[–]Againstniggers 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]Againstniggers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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