A principal in Florida said he couldn't confirm the Holocaust was a 'factual' event. The school district just fired him

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[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

LMAO. You just gave me a college paper on Holocaust denial. Not even written by historians. The paper is MLA citation. It's not even Turabian. LMAO! Holy shit this made my day.

You trolls are sneaking in to operate on saidit and your lucky that I'm not on here more often to expose you. If this were reddit I would have responded faster. Eventually I will get over to this site more.

OK here's the redpill dump just in case people are still reading this thread. I've now tagged you as jew shill and will be monitoring your presence on saidit and commenting whenever I can to expose your bullshit.

Here's the dump

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I think a lot of Jews did die in ww2 due to crimes against humanity.

Holocaust revisionists do not deny that jews died in Europe during ww2 and in some cases were totally innocent (neither spies nor combatants).

Now much of the official holocaust narrative is BS, gas chambers, mengele's human experiments and the shower room stuff were clearly allied atrocity propaganda

That's what the holocaust is and if you said what you just said publicly you'd be called a holocaust denier and could possible be jailed in more than a dozen countries. The holocaust isn't a historical event up for adjustment and debate like other historical event. It's an industry and a narrative and the only people allowed to adjust it and correct it are a group of 11 or so approved historians.

But I think a lot of Jews did disproportionately die due to other reasons. The causes Jews died in millions(my estimate was that 4.9 million Jews died) are

Jews dying for 'other reasons' is again not disputed by revisionists. It's actually a key component of holocaust revisionism. You're 4.9 number is high though. The highest I've heard from a credible source is 2.3 from Irving and he's not particularly wedded to that number. My guess is 500-750k died and half of those were in some way probably tied into spying, Marxist subversion and in a fair court the nat socs could probably argue and prove they were combatants. The other half died from typhus, starvation and yes some probably died from cruelty/murder in a chaotic war theater. In fact this is why there were so many Jews in concentration camps. They sought out the camps to be protected from the lawlessness and hostility of war.

Forced labor: Its no secret that the Germans used slave labor to build factories, weapons and infrastructure.

Ok right of the bat I'm going to stop you. I don't think you've actually engaged with the revisionist sources. This isn't slave labor. This is prison labor. That's a HUGE difference. Many Jews choose not to work in camps and instead just engaged in the maintenance and running of the camp accouterments. The alternative was living in German society that was hostile to them for conspiring to bring the Americans into WWI. I'm not really sure how much I can really engage with you here if you haven't actually dug down on the revisionist arguments.

Let me catch you up on the revisionist sources.

First there's David Cole (jewish) who looked at aushwitz. Here's a shortened video on his findings.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fH3nQI45kiQW/

The next big guy is of course Earnst Zundel. Here's an outstanding interview he did with an Israeli. LOTs of intersting stuff in this doc. I highly recommend you take the time to listen.

https://archive.org/details/ErnstZundelInterviewedByAnIsraeliJournalist1996G

Next here's a thread that caused quite a stir on debatealtright.

https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateAltRight/comments/9bi1rv/the_holocaust_did_not_happen/

I'd encourage you to read the unz article that reddit deleted from the thread.

http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

Then after you've looked at the unz article you might want to read through the comments in the thread.

The Japanese did it and prisons do this today. 3 million Soviet pows simply died in the camps. It makes no sense that Jews wouldn't too

Again, revisionists do not deny Jews died in camps. How many and how and whether or not is was a directed cleansing 'plan' by nat soc elites is where all the drama is.

Soviets, Japanese, Germans, and Americans all run war camps very differently. To conflate them is a bit silly. We also have the problem that there's a VERY high incentive for governments to lie about what they do to prisoners so ALL gov sources and gov histories about these war camps need closely examined and cross referenced. Here's a look at what people on the ground have shared about the German camp system.

https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

I think many died due to forced labor as the Germans worked them to death or took them on death marches.

You'd need to provide a source for this. The reports, images and video in the deprogramingcourse website refute this 'worked to death' claim. Jews themselves refute this work to death claim. There are thousands talking about playing in the 'death camp' symphony or putting on plays.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EsXm99fExImK/

If the survivors are to be believed then certainly the ones talking about atrocities should be offset by the ones talking about brothels and orchestras so that neutral observers can make an informed decision. This is how you shape consensus; this is how you manufacture consent. You simply hand select the testimonies that fit the narrative. Finkelstein talks about this opinion manufacturing industry is his book The Holocaust Industry.

And let's not even get into all of the outlandish claims by the survivors who were promoted.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/636e21115360cec3bb795ddeee5fc286f7de5b63a61cffdde1718968ade2b26d.jpg

Starvation: This is the real killer, nearly 3 million Soviet POWs died, most of them from starvation and the same is true for the Jews.

Again. Starvation is not denied by revisionists. It's the how and why. Most starvation in the camps comes as the end of the war and it was due to supply line disruption from allied bombing. Obviously Germans are going to prioritize German soldiers in the field and German families in the Reich over Jews and war prisoners. If you consider that ethnic cleansing so be it but IMO it's just a result of the chaos at the end of the war and the immoral civilian bombing started by Churchill. Stalin on the other hand starved civilians and prisoners in a more strategic/corporal way.

If you want to see agressive ethnic cleansing through starvation read about the Rhind Meadows.

https://ww2gravestone.com/an-american-rhine-meadows-camp-guard-speaks-out/

That's what weaponized starvation encampment looks like. If Hitler had those aspiration he could have started those camps in '39 or even earlier and there's no evidence of that.

Germans confiscated food from the occupied territories to feed their own. This caused food shortage for the camp prisoners who were allowed to stave. Over ten million people in German occupied lands died in starvation, its only rational that the Jews suffered this too.

Ah. That's what you do in war but that's also a result of farm production going way down because farmers where out fighting war. There's not only less food but armies (on all side) confiscate the food. Yes Jews certainly died from this war famine like everybody else but the world almanac of Jewish population does not reflect 6, 5, or even 4 million Jews dying during this period.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0558867345c1855aaefaa177751d9a345b323c1cedd7a9015c4aabef45773ac7.jpg

Yet on the other hand we do see Jewish population going up in British Palestine, the United States, Britain, etc. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see what's going on here.

Shootings and persecutions: Its no secret that the Einsatzgruppen in tandem with local militias shot communists, Jews and partisans.

And why not? They had literally stood in the streets of Germany with machines guns years earlier not to mentioned collaborated with foreign nations to undermine the Reich or do you not believe in a sovereign nations right to execute traitors?

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1405992204336.jpg

The SS had a penchant for mass murders and shootings, think of malmedy, Wormhoudt and countless other examples.

The SS had a penchant for winning a conflict. The SS was a military unit. Killing people is part of winning wars. I know you understand European history. I've seen you write detailed posts about European wars/conflicts/battles. What's up with all this 'murder' language. Show me a nation that gives up it ability to execute traitors/enemies/combatants/subversives and I will show you a nation that's about to collapse and be taken over by another nation willing to 'murder.'

As they hated Jews more than all else it makes no sense that they'd make an exception to them, they didn't flinch at killing fellow Germanic English, forget Jews.

This is a HUGE misconception. Antisemitism in Germany was almost unheard of before the Treaty of Versailles and the German diplomats learning about the Balfour declaration. You'd think if there was so much German 'antisemitism' then Jews wouldn't have been allowed to own so much industry, media and academic seats in German society. In fact there are some eerie parallels with American society.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

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Your emotions like "lol i don't consider that guy a historian!!1" are irrelevant. Here's another source:

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/6-million-where-is-the-figure-from-1.5319546

I know you'll say "but they're jews so it's all a conspiracy!11".

. Yes Jews certainly died from this war famine like everybody else

Don't lie. The people running the death camps and shooting the jewish children weren't starving like that.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

That source is based on hearsay. Hoetll is known liar, hoaxer and fabricator. THis is not evidence for 6 million figure. I'm a little concerned on why you would think this is proof of the figure.

https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/19vs/a_principal_in_florida_said_he_couldnt_confirm/2upb

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

That source is based on hearsay. Hoetll is known liar, hoaxer and fabricator.

Actually, practically any time a political figure is quoted (eg by people in the media) you could call it "hearsay" as long as there was no video of it.

And (in contrast) if there was audio/video of this conversation you would call it edited and fabricated "by the jews!!!1"

I showed you endless photos of the holocaust and it's train system which shows it was a massive killing system for killing many millions of people, and you deny it like "photos are a jewish conspiracy theory!!1 because jews!!11"

I even show the photos are from multiple sides (eg multiple states) and they all match.

And what is your "argument?" It's essentially this: "photos ain't real !111 Because Jews !!!1"

THis is not evidence for 6 million figure. I'm a little concerned on why you would think this is proof of the figure.

That's not even why I quoted it. There's a bunch of people saying that the number 6m was commonly used for jews for religious reasons.

But in reality.. Even if that's true (that the number 6m was used a lot by jews) that's irrelevant if the estimate of 6m jews killed came from the nazis.

Btw, in your images (about how commonly the 6m number was used) you're often just quoting coincidences.

  • eg the estimated 6m population of jews in the ukraine.

  • Or in poland,

  • etc

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

And yet you use Hoetll, a known hoaxer and liar, who has lied in the past for money as proof that the 6 million figure is correct. I have provided census data and documents of Jewish emigration and camp records that prove the six million figure false. It is scientifically impossible, if we take into account the gas chamber myths. Not even modern gas chambers today could kill with such efficiency, that is excluding that they were not gas chambers but delousing chambers. Watch the banned documentary 'Probing the Holocaust,' for more information. Keep in mind I also think the deaths in Soviet Russia and during the Bolshevik reign are highl;y exaggerated as well. I do not believe 66 million, 50 million or 30 million died. Even the mainstream account of 25 million seems quite high in my opinion.

Now that does not mean Nazis did not execute Jews in what could be defined as a genocide. The Holocaust as defined as a burnt offering, is not what happened in the definition of the word.

There is proof of Jewish executions and the census data and emigration data, and camp records proof that nearly 2.5 million Jews died and up to 1 million were killed by the Nazis. My estimate is a little over 600,000 based on all the facts and figures I could compile. So, did Nazis murder innocent people? Yes. Were Jews targeted? Yes. Could you consider it a targeted genocide? Yes. Were 6 million killed? No. Did 4.5 million die in gas chambers? No.

And (in contrast) if there was audio/video of this conversation you would call it edited and fabricated "by the jews!!!1"

Nope I would not, I would watch it and take it with a grain of salt. I would then research it further until I could safely say it is a true account. Your are using the slippery slope argument and reductio ad absurdums.

I showed you endless photos of the holocaust and it's train system which shows it was a massive killing system for killing many millions of people, and you deny it like "photos are a jewish conspiracy theory!!1 because jews!!11"

Nope, this quote again is a fallacy, so I will just ignore it. You photos you showed were Jews, communists and anyone the Nazis deemed a threat, even if completely innocent in concentration and work labor camps. These photos were taken at the VERY END of the war, when Germany had a food blockade and railines to the camps were bombed. No food was coming in nor were medical supplies in a collpased German economy. They are emaciated because of typhus that killed MILLIONS. The lice hides in the cloths which Is why they took them off. I went to the Holocaust museum and they were using an allied bombed camps as evidence of bodies burned in a crematorium. They were terror bombed by the allies. But that didn't stop the very profitable holocaust industry from lying, which does a diservice to the common Jew.

I even show the photos are from multiple sides (eg multiple states) and they all match.

No you didn't. And what does it prove? It proves Nazis took Jews and others away from there homes and put them in concentration camps. Probably executing hundreds of thousands via work orders over the years. That is what those pictures prove. They do not prove the six million figure.

And what is your "argument?" It's essentially this: "photos ain't real !111 Because Jews !!!1"

That's not my argument ^ ^ ^ Another fallacy by you. I will also ignore this quote as well.

That's not even why I quoted it. There's a bunch of people saying that the number 6m was commonly used for jews for religious reasons.

Well, these people only used media references but many politicans and communists in Bolshevik Russia also used the holocaust and 6 million figure burnt offering well before WW2. That of course, I don't really get into, because it proves little. Facts and figures prove the six million figure to be a lie nonetheless, but clearly 2.5 million Jews died in my estimate.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's circular reasoning to say someone is "hoaxer" is evidence that their claims are a hoax. Your 'argument' here could be endless historic events where you just declare the people quoted to be hoax selling liars.

Your assumptions about how fast the nazis may have killed people are not relevant. Even if "modern" gas chambers work extremely slow, that doesn't mean a government couldn't build a much quicker system for killing many millions of people.

You're going on and on, but all you have is assumptions that you seem to believe are evidence of your other assumptions.

And your motive here, to say anything to get people to reject the holocaust, is obvious. So you attempt to show signs of "moderation" as if that hides that you are just another holocaust denier.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hearsay is hearsay. That's where the six million figure originated. Census data does not back it up.

I don't assume anything. I looked at all the reports, census data, Jewish emigration data, camp work orders, etc,. And could not even come close to the six million figure. You mind sharing proof and physical evidence of this figure and/or debunk my posts above?

Clearly you assume the figure, I don't assume anything. My research has led me to a different conclusion.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your "research" is assuming the nazi's work orders accurately showed how many people they killed when (in reality) their goal was to hide these events. You are just making assumptions.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And census data and all the other hindreds of population reports.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Holocaust implies burnt offering. Did 6 million Jews die in a burnt offering? No. I'm not denying a genocide, I'm wuestioning the figures, and they're wrong. Truth fears no investigation. My research led me to this truth and one can be imprisoned for it. Revisionists were detained and imprisoned for questioning these figures only to be right thriry years later.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Holocaust implies burnt offering

You've been totally misinformed, please read this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-word-holocaust-history-and-meaning_n_1229043

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The original meaning was burnt offering and was used as such by the Bolsheviks and Soviet propganda official during the war before any real provable assertions coupd be made. Yes it changed over time, but the use of it is wrong.

It should be called a genocide.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

as such by the Bolsheviks and Soviet propganda official during the war before any real provable assertions coupd be made.

Did you not read the article I sent you?

  • The lower-case “holocaust” has described the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century, according the Oxford English Dictionary. Before World War II, the word was used by Winston Churchill and others to refer to the genocide of Armenians during World War I.

—https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-word-holocaust-history-and-meaning_n_1229043

And census data and all the other hindreds of population reports.

All the population data from the nazi regime should be treated with great skepticism. And even if there was population data from other sources (before and after the nazi regime) which showed the jewish population shrinking was less than 6m there could be many other reasons for that, plus sometimes the population estimates are just flat out wrong. eg if the jewish people felt they were victims of prejudice (eg in pre ww2 germany) they might not have sought to be very public about their presence, especially to the government & ruling class.