A principal in Florida said he couldn't confirm the Holocaust was a 'factual' event. The school district just fired him

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[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's circular reasoning to say someone is "hoaxer" is evidence that their claims are a hoax. Your 'argument' here could be endless historic events where you just declare the people quoted to be hoax selling liars.

Your assumptions about how fast the nazis may have killed people are not relevant. Even if "modern" gas chambers work extremely slow, that doesn't mean a government couldn't build a much quicker system for killing many millions of people.

You're going on and on, but all you have is assumptions that you seem to believe are evidence of your other assumptions.

And your motive here, to say anything to get people to reject the holocaust, is obvious. So you attempt to show signs of "moderation" as if that hides that you are just another holocaust denier.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hearsay is hearsay. That's where the six million figure originated. Census data does not back it up.

I don't assume anything. I looked at all the reports, census data, Jewish emigration data, camp work orders, etc,. And could not even come close to the six million figure. You mind sharing proof and physical evidence of this figure and/or debunk my posts above?

Clearly you assume the figure, I don't assume anything. My research has led me to a different conclusion.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your "research" is assuming the nazi's work orders accurately showed how many people they killed when (in reality) their goal was to hide these events. You are just making assumptions.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And census data and all the other hindreds of population reports.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Holocaust implies burnt offering. Did 6 million Jews die in a burnt offering? No. I'm not denying a genocide, I'm wuestioning the figures, and they're wrong. Truth fears no investigation. My research led me to this truth and one can be imprisoned for it. Revisionists were detained and imprisoned for questioning these figures only to be right thriry years later.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Holocaust implies burnt offering

You've been totally misinformed, please read this:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-word-holocaust-history-and-meaning_n_1229043

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The original meaning was burnt offering and was used as such by the Bolsheviks and Soviet propganda official during the war before any real provable assertions coupd be made. Yes it changed over time, but the use of it is wrong.

It should be called a genocide.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

as such by the Bolsheviks and Soviet propganda official during the war before any real provable assertions coupd be made.

Did you not read the article I sent you?

  • The lower-case “holocaust” has described the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century, according the Oxford English Dictionary. Before World War II, the word was used by Winston Churchill and others to refer to the genocide of Armenians during World War I.

—https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-word-holocaust-history-and-meaning_n_1229043

And census data and all the other hindreds of population reports.

All the population data from the nazi regime should be treated with great skepticism. And even if there was population data from other sources (before and after the nazi regime) which showed the jewish population shrinking was less than 6m there could be many other reasons for that, plus sometimes the population estimates are just flat out wrong. eg if the jewish people felt they were victims of prejudice (eg in pre ww2 germany) they might not have sought to be very public about their presence, especially to the government & ruling class.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Okay, well we will agree to disagree on the six million figure. Through 5 years of research I could find no proof for the 6 million figure only hearsay from known liars. The proof I found was not of a genocide deniers pleasure in discovering a revisionist history, no, I simply looked through population and emigration reports, camp records from the Germans and Soviets, and Switzerland, census data on detained Jews, etc, and so, I like other revisionists came to the figure 2.5 million and nearly 1 million who were exterminated and executed by the Nazis and to a lesser extent the Soviets. That is 5 years of research and I tried very hard to prove that 6 million died, this just isn't the case. I based this for a long time on the 4.5 million gassed figure which was propagandized for thirty years before mainstream scholars had to lower the number by three fold, and in some cases 5 fold in various camps, which might have been delousing chambers to begin with. SInce we can't trust most sources and there are estimates that are under and over exaggerated, I researched these claims. And I, personally came to a 2.5 million figure.

Now as for the original definition of the Holocaust. Your source says the lower-case “holocaust” has described the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century.

So, they certainly are not sure when this definition was used for other purposes. Though they have an idea.

It should be noted that a holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire. The word derives from the Ancient Greek holokaustos, "whole" and καυστός "burnt", with rough breathing), which is used solely for one of the major forms of sacrifice, "burnt offering" in Ancient Israel.

A "burnt offering" – from the verb "to cause to ascend," hence "burn") is a type of Biblical sacrifice in which the entire sacrifice is completely burnt, consumed totally by fire. It was used by the ancient Israelites. And might have been used for this genocide to denote a sacrafice of Jews for the founding of Israel, as biblical prophecy. It isn't too crazy to say this considering many Zionists, even those who were Nazis, were quite outspoken in advocating for a major pogrom or war that would push the Jewish diaspora eastward towards Israel, exactly what happened. Hitler in fact claims in Mein Kampf that Zionism was a great ideology, for obvious reasons.

So, they make it know in their memiors that a suffering must take place, and that antisemities must be our friends. The suffering and death had to take place according to them.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your source says the lower-case “holocaust”

Don't try to save face- the word holocaust was used before the nazi holocaust.

research

You're repeating the same things I debunked already.

eg:

  • you look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

  • you simply accuse people who use higher estimates (and of quoting high estimates) of being liars & hoaxers.

  • you act like the nazis (who were hiding a genocide) would have given you the data for your "research."

Sigh.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

No. I didn't, I looked at all reports and census data. Your source was a known liar and hearsay.

You simply accuse people who use higher estimates (and of quoting high estimates) of being liars & hoaxers.

Just the source you linked, who is a liar and a hoaxer and, yes, his testimony is hearsay and he was proven by many scholars to lack any credibility. Again, I'm not going to believe someone who says Eichmann told him 6 million Jews died, when Eichmann then said he never said that.

you act like the nazis (who were hiding a genocide) would have given you the data for your "research."

No, not really.

But again, since you believe the six million figure to be true, can you prove it to be true. Because I wasn't able to. Can you show me that that figure is the sole truth backed up by facts and figures. Thanks.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

I looked at all reports and census data.

I didn't say you didn't look at the reports or census data, I said that if people feel they are victims of persecution/prejudice they might not accurately report themselves to government population estimates.

(I said the population estimates would logically be wrong if people felt they were victims of persecution/prejudice.)

You didn't even respond to my debunk of your position.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry, I just posted a comment to you meant for someone else. I said that if people feel they are victims of persecution/prejudice they might not accurately report themselves to government population estimates. Okay, and can you provide some figures or a source for this that would accoutn for the 6 million figure? Does the persecution/prejudice account for the 6 million figure?