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[–]Chipit 62 insightful - 12 fun62 insightful - 11 fun63 insightful - 12 fun -  (44 children)

I notice how you don't actually make any arguments or cite any sources. Your whole argument is "how dare you effectively and repeatedly point out the many problems with my ideology".

And I get it - you don't debate or argue. The refusal to argue or debate has moved from the far left to the mainstream left today. A pillar of "woke" ideology is the rejection of debate. They consider it part of the Enlightenment, and thus irredeemably damned by racism. Anyone who participates in Enlightenment ideals like argument or thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis is merely reinforcing injustice. Here's a good rundown of the reasoning employed today and why it isn't going anywhere: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/woke-wont-debate-you-heres-why/

But since I know you won't read the link, here's the gist of it:

Here, the “master’s tools” are explicitly named by Bailey as including soundness and validity of argument, conceptual clarity, and epistemic adequacy (i.e., knowing what you’re talking about) and can easily be extended to science, reason, and rationality, and thus also to conversation and debate. The “master’s house” is the “organizational schemata” laid out by Kristie Dotson as the prevailing knowing system. Her claim is that these tools—essentially all of the liberal ones—cannot dismantle liberal societies from within, which is their goal, because they are the very tools that build and keep building it.

Bailey’s point is clear: the usual tools by which we identify provisional truths and settle scholarly disagreements are part of the hegemonically dominant system that, by definition, cannot be sufficiently radical to create real revolutionary change (a “third-order” change, as Dotson has it). That is, they can’t reorder society in the radical way they deem necessary. The belief, as both scholars explain in different ways, is that to play by the existing rules (like conversation and debate as a means to better understand society and advance truth) is to automatically be co-opted by those rules and to support their legitimacy, beside one deeper problem that’s even more significant.

The deeper, more significant aspect of this problem is that by participating in something like conversation or debate about scholarly, ethical, or other disagreements, not only do the radical Critical Social Justice scholars have to tacitly endorse the existing system, they also have to be willing to agree to participate in a system in which they truly believe they cannot win. This isn’t the same as saying they know they’d lose the debate because they know their methods are weak. It’s saying that they believe their tools are extremely good but not welcome in the currently dominant system, which is a different belief based on different assumptions. Again, their game is not our game, and they don’t want to play our game at all; they want to disrupt and dismantle it.

Their analysis would insist that their methods aren’t weak; it’s that the dominant system treats them unfairly. By being forced to participate in the dominant system, they therefore believe, they’re being cheated of the full force of their cause. To them, if we set the legitimization of the system part aside, to engage in scholarly conversation or debate is like a boxer stepping into an MMA match in which kicks, punches, throwing, and grappling are all on the table for the MMA fighter whereas gloved punches are the only thing the boxer is allowed to use, only far worse.

Debate and conversation, especially when they rely upon reason, rationality, science, evidence, epistemic adequacy, and other Enlightenment-based tools of persuasion are the very thing they think produced injustice in the world in the first place. Those are not their methods and they reject them. Their methods are, instead, storytelling and counter-storytelling, appealing to emotions and subjectively interpreted lived experience, and problematizing arguments morally, on their moral terms. Because they know the dominant liberal order values those things sense far less than rigor, evidence, and reasoned argument, they believe the whole conversation and debate game is intrinsically rigged against them in a way that not only leads to their certain loss but also that props up the existing system and then further delegitimizes the approaches they advance in their place. Critical Social Justice Theorists genuinely believe getting away from the “master’s tools” is necessary to break the hegemony of the dominant modes of thought. Debate is a no-win for them.

Therefore, you’ll find them resistant to engaging in debate because they fully believe that engaging in debate or other kinds of conversation forces them to do their work in a system that has been rigged so that they cannot possibly win, no matter how well they do. They literally believe, in some sense, that the system itself hates people like them and has always been rigged to keep them and their views out. Even the concepts of civil debate (instead of screaming, reeeee!) and methodological rigor (instead of appealing to subjective claims and emotions) are considered this way, as approaches that only have superiority within the dominant paradigm, which was in turn illegitimately installed through political processes designed to advance the interests of powerful white, Western men (especially rich ones) through the exclusion of all others. And, yes, they really think this way.

For adherents to Critical Social Justice Theory, then, there’s just no point to engaging in conversation or debate with people with whom they disagree. They reject the premise that such a thing is possible at all, because what is discussed or debated are, if changeable, in some sense matters of opinion. They don’t see the world this way at all, though. “Racism is not a matter of opinion” is, after all, one of their thought-stopping mantras. For them, disagreements across a stratifying axis of social power are a matter of being, experience, reality, and even life and death. These are not matters to be debated; they’re far too important for that.

[–]plumedoomer 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

So, basically - they're dumb, hyper-emotional, incapable of doing logical reasoning, lack discernment and think their feelings are "ways of knowing" instead of just a reaction to stimuli. They hate objectivity because they think emotionalism is a valid source of knowledge; not material validity. Not even intuition - emotions.

If they think I hate them, they're right because they create everything that is awful and stagnant in the world.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

/s/Chipshit is a shill.

[–]zyxzevn 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I think the meme was referring to some new people that have come here, who are using the reddit-like method of voting based on opinion and click-bait. But with that they build themselves a group-think.

The points of "why the woke wont debate.." are great, but I am missing a few points.
I am sorry I don't have time to source them

Some new points:

1) Propaganda. A lot of people are victims of endless propaganda. CNN and MSNBC and more left media are continuously spewing partially imaginary stories, that are meant to make you think a certain way.

2) Bad education. They don't know how to think, but learn to repeat ideas that are stated for them.
This continues even on University and PhD, and makes them worse.

3) The idea that everyone who does not have the same opinion, or idea, is an enemy. Black-white fallacy.
This is trained even in culture. You need to be for one party, and against another.
There is usually no grey area, or an area of agreement. And if there is, there is no other option.
Like: How many countries should US occupy with troops? 20? or 12? or maybe 15?

4) Two sided thinking in the US. More than 2 party solutions are not considered in most discussions in the media and schools. Having a different idea or different party is even regarded as invalid.
I see the 2 party system like a communist 1 party system that switches "side" so once and a while. The same groups of people are in the top every time.

5) Frustration with the system. Many left people see how the system fails them, and can not give them a job that they want. They learn to blame this on the more successful people, just above their level. These are their direct competition. But many do not see that the real problems of the system come from much more powerful and much richer people. And somehow left and right are locked into fighting each other, and this is hiding the real problem.

6) The power of money. Many on the left and the right have no problems accepting or using money for steering political decisions and justice.
This means that the people that have the most money, the Federal reserve and the monopolies, are actually steering the political and even cultural decisions. People 1 can spend 1000 dollars while the top can spend 1000,000,000,000 dollars. And they 1 still think they have some influence.

What about making decisions based on conscience, harmony, honesty, cooperation?

Solutions:

A) Teach each other how to think for yourself.
Here is a proposal: How to investigate the Truth

B) Support each other even when you have different opinions. Don't let the propaganda make us enemies.
It is nice when people can have different ideas and learn more.
Guide each other towards conscience, harmony, honesty, cooperation.

C) Identify the individual people that are performing bad or even criminal actions. Even if you like them, see their mistakes.
Like Elon Mush is bringing back some space travel, but he iwants to put computers in brains.

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    [–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

    Who listens to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CVsCnxyXg ? Anymore i mean.

    Just take your head into this millenium. It can't be that hard.

    [–]Chipit 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

    That's it? That's your reply? A non sequitur?

    Well, I suppose it's all we're going to get from people who refuse to debate or argue. Like a boxer stepping into the ring with an MMA fighter, you are. You're right to refuse to argue. Facts and logic dissolve you like sunlight to a vampire.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

    Facts? Which one ? Tell me just one .

    [–]Chipit 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

    Arguing doesn't serve the leftist cause, because facts and logic are Enlightenment values. In modern times, no other indictment is more serious than that the Enlightenment endorsed slavery.

    Despite proclaiming that "all men are created equal," there was widespread support for slavery, which made a mockery of Enlightenment aspirations of liberty. Enlightenment freedom only meant the freedom of the well-off to prey on the oppressed and downtrodden. Secondly, the notion of racial inferiority was a creation of Enlightenment thought.

    Thus Enlightenment values only serve to reinforce injustice and racism. Debating and arguing (the master's tools) are Enlightenment values, thus engaging in them is pointless, as you yourself reinforce with your nonsensical replies. The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. See: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02691728.2013.782585

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

    I define . You only can cite. This is a serious difference.

    Edit: Like OP, he has the ability to define, too.

    [–]Chipit 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

    You still haven't made any arguments, and you won't make any. I'm the MMA fighter, and you're the boxer. Don't even step in the ring. At this point you should start saying things about "lived experience trumps logical analysis" and calling me a racist.

    Per Critical Race Theory, any concept invented or propagated by Enlightenment values is inherently "white" and inherently privileges white people. The free market? Racist! Free speech? Racist! Individual liberty? Racist! All of these things are racist because they were invented by white people, became popular in societies that were largely white, and led to white people rising to the top of "inequality."

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (15 children)

    You're wasting energy, which clearly shows, i won again.

    [–]Chipit 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

    It's amusing that I can predict your responses, which are non sequitur again and again. Well, you won't argue and you can't. So what's left?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

    You ever will rotate in the right direction? Instead of fighting a king made from water?

    Edit: You lost already. Two times, asshat.

    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

    Chipit is a shill liar who needs to understand what I already explained - that there are 2 "lefts" (the old-Left and the distracting insane SJW Corporate BLM Dems) and lumping them together is exactly what the Zionists want. The world is anything but tribalist binary, but that simplicity is appealing to simple minds.

    [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I thought your post pretty much said it all. The responses have been prime examples of what you were saying.

    [–]Questionable 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Um... Check your sub. This is s/memes , I have no idea how you drew that much from this little.

    All of that, everything you just typed out happened inside your own skull. There is nothing here that was thought provoking on any such level.

    Allow me to sum up this meme that you drew so much insight out of.

    It simply says, "Leftist bad". That's all this was.

    How the fuck did you do this? Better yet, why?

    [–]magnora7 28 insightful - 7 fun28 insightful - 6 fun29 insightful - 7 fun -  (14 children)

    It's the lowest common denominator for this website. Reddit is so obviously taken over by left-leaning people that most of the people who get banned unjustly are right-leaning. Ergo saidit's culture reflects what reddit cuts off.

    So posts like "reddit bad" and "leftists bad" are things almost everyone here will agree with because of their experience with reddit which is what caused most of them to come here. It gets old sometimes, but it's also understandable given how this place came to exist.

    In addition some people want to hijack saidit's culture to make it lean more far-right, and that contributes to the overall lean as well.

    It was nice when we had all the lesbians here who got banned from reddit, but they didn't integrate themselves with the site culture as much as I'd hoped, and most kind of just sequestered themselves in subs they took off of /all. Which is fine, I was just hoping they'd contribute to the melting pot of the front page more to add a little left-right balance. Oh well, it's all good though.

    I've noticed too if the first few posts on the front page are not good, I notice the posts after that are usually good. Like posts 3 through 40 on the front page are usually pretty solid overall.

    [–]BigFatRetard 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I have to disagree a bit. It isn't just about bannings.

    The problem isn't who Reddit bans, it's who is systematically silenced among all mainstream platforms.

    For example: the right oppressed and attacked the lgbt for a long time, silenced them, forced them to hide themselves, arrested and mocked and publicly shamed them and destroyed their careers (sound familiar?). A direct result of being freed from those chains is the pride events everywhere. People ask "why are they proud to be gay? I'm not proud to be straight!", But that shows a lack of understanding, that they needed to be quiet, to pretend they were something they weren't, because they knew the mob would come for them.

    For years now, people on the left and the right have been silenced by the nu-left. Opposing opinions weren't debated but actively silenced, and in a growing number of cases people track down their political enemies and try to use the dominance of the nu-left ideology to have those enemies destroyed. In the past 2 months, mass violence has been treated as justified and massive companies around the world have spoken up in support of this ideology.

    With the rise of alt-tech platforms and certain wins for personal expression that have emboldened people, people are finally for the first time in years having a chance to say what they think.

    "Why are so many right wing views being espoused on these platforms?" -- well, for one thing a lot of the opinions aren't necessarily right wing, they're just not nu-left orthodoxy. One of the techniques the nu-left uses is to paint all dissent as extreme right wing. That being said, we are seeing certain opinions a lot for the same reason that there are gay pride parades and until recently there weren't straight pride parades: nobody has needed to fear speaking their nu-left views. They have had full support of the establishment for decades, there's no pent up desire to express those, and no reason for individuals for those views to find a new platform to express them. It's the majority, silenced by power seeking bullies, who have opinions counter to the nu-left orthodoxy that are finally being freed to express themselves.

    [–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    It was nice when we had all the lesbians here who got banned from reddit, but they didn't integrate themselves with the site culture as much as I'd hoped, and most kind of just sequestered themselves in subs they took off of /all. Which is fine, I was just hoping they'd contribute to the melting pot of the front page more to add a little left-right balance. Oh well, it's all good though.

    GenderCritical is a lot like the FatPeopleHate subreddit, in that they both had a point and a reason to exist, but they also had a problem where a lot of users (the huge number of english-speaking fat people in the western world in the case of FPH, and the trans people in tech that were all over reddit in the case of GC) that viciously opposed their message, and most of the rest of the users felt they couldn't agree with them openly for fear of being attacked themselves. They had to ban dissent, because otherwise the volume of it would have been overwhelming.

    Reddit gave lots of control to the community moderators to set their own rules, but with Saidit they have a lot less control. The options are to allow dissenting viewpoints, which for GC means way more posts like this, or if they want to be able to control this stuff then they need to take themselves off of /s/all, which at that point means they're undiscoverable and have little opportunity to mingle with other members of the site.

    I think the fact that they're not on /s/all is a large part of the problem, and a solution that would allow those subs to be discovered, and give users more choice, would be to have a separate setting so users could choose whether or not they want to see subs that ban dissent on /s/all. When they were on Reddit I disagreed with a lot of man-hating comments I saw on GC, but I still appreciated their perspective that modern trans activism and the denial of biology was hurting women's rights. I could see myself feeling the same way about other new subs, but if those subs can't be seen by people who aren't subscribed to them then they have no way to be discovered.

    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    They cannot brook debate or argument. If they did, their entire position would collapse. So I get it. They have to wall themselves off, and crush anyone who enters their orbit. Debate and argument are Enlightenment values and only reinforce inequality.

    [–]Leo_Littlebook 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Maybe there should be three buttons: +2: Insightful +1: Clap / Agree +1: Funny

    Later there could be a faction system where votes from people you agree with more are weighted more heavily in your site view.

    [–]Antifa 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

    I see more thorough and articulate criticism of the societal deconstruction caused by by the extreme left here than anywhere.

    In other terms, your meme is Reddit tier and again just goes to prove the left can't meme.

    [–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

    [–]Antifa 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Yep. All shit.

    Good effort though, champ. You'll get there one day.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

    You are a real warrior. One of mine...

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

    I belong to know one.

    [–]Froglich 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    My Ninja!

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (52 children)

    i like how someone replied with an entire essay to a meme that obviously is a joke and is just simplifying the stuff that usually goes around saidit lol

    [–]Chipit 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

    Oh, that was just a salient excerpt. You should read the whole essay: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/woke-wont-debate-you-heres-why/

    It's fantastic. It's written by James Lindsay, a name you'll remember from the "grievance studies" hoax. You know, where he took a chapter of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler, replaced all references to Jews with men, and got it published in a feminist scientific journal? And the editor wrote back saying, "Could you spice this up a bit? It's not strong enough."

    He actually read all of the leftist literature - critical theory, feminist radicalism, queer theory, neo-Marxism, the Frankfurt School and so on - and boiled it down. The left doesn't debate, and it can't. Arriving at truth through debate is an Enlightenment value, Enlightenment values are racist and resulted in slavery and genocide, therefore debating only reinforces inequality. "Woke" ideology is actually an internally sound idea system that has as its goal the complete destruction of Enlightenment thought.

    And memes like this are a perfect example, as they present no arguments and need none. That they are right, by their own terms, is all that matters.

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    i actually agree with a lot of this, though i don't think it's impossible for leftists to debate. but this is just a stupid meme dude, you're taking it too literally

    [–]Dragonerne 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    They can't debate which is why they censor. The pyramid of debate is literally anti-leftism.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Try debating the old-Left progressives rather than the insane SJW Corporate BLM Dems. They still exist even if their anti-war movements and everything else has be infiltrated and subverted.

    [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, by debating, they're reinforcing oppression. I don't see why they would.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (32 children)

    The Chipit guy that did this is a shill.

    This monster text block is essentially a forum slide tactic to discourage newcomers from reading supporting feedback.

    [–]Chipit 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (28 children)

    This Tom_Bombadil guy has some kind of weird jihad against me since I joined the site. If you watch what he says, you'll notice he spouts weird conspiracy theories all the time, and assumes everyone is on the same page as him so he doesn't have to explain things. I tried to reason with him but...you can't. He's a throwback to what posting on Saidit was like before the Reddit ban waves.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

    This Tom_Bombadil guy has some kind of weird jihad against me since I joined the site.

    The first time this Chipshit character joined, he pretended to be a Chinese transgender named Snow.

    I'm not even joking. It's so fucking stupid that I couldn't make it up. It is absurd. However, it is a fact.

    He was a perpetual nuisance. It got bad enough that some folks made a hate sub for Snow/Chipit, because he was a serial harasser of the Reddit refugee incel sub, and many others. You can search the site for this and confirm for yourself.

    Snow/Chipit tried to create a pedo controversy here, and elsewhere. He basically asked some other dipshits here if they would date underage girls, which is stupid to ask, and more stupid to answer. It just occurred to me that he may have been asking himself using a throwaway account for all I know. I never bothered to check the similarity of their exchanges, because the entire notion was far beyond foolish.

    Either way, he posted it elsewhere in a feeble attempt to sabotage the site.

    No one noticed his stupid posts. Saidit was much smaller at the time. Who the fuck would possibly care to look into something like this?

    A bit before this nonsense, he created an account as Chipit. The style of writing was equally stupid, except Chipshit wasn't pretending to have bad Chinese syntax. foreign language users are sensitive about grammar. If they can write in English then they are smart enough to use grammar check in MSWord.
    Chipshit is not smart enough.

    Miraculously, Chipit was the only person to ever find these pathetic manufactured pedo posts that he had made up. Either Chipit has complete visibility of all internet posting activity, or he fucking did it himself.

    He fucking did that shit. He tried to sabotage Saidit.

    I like it here.

    I want to learn new things, and hear what others think and have to say.

    I am trying to make this a better site.

    Hopefully, it is not difficult to understand the actual reason that I have a problem with this Chipshit.

    Hopefully, next time you read his posts you will think to yourself, "Chipit??? That's that Fake-Ass Transgender Chinese Pedo Guy!"

    [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    "Chipit??? That's that Fake-Ass Transgender Chinese Pedo Guy!"

    you forgot the bit where he makes everything about sex.

    Maybe he's grown up?

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Yo! Long time no see bro.

    Great timing, cause you were there too.

    Here's a personal trip down memory lane for ya.

    Snow perfectly understands English

    From some others.

    Frens our fren needs some help. I've created the sub s/teachsnowenglish !

    https://saidit.net/s/teachsnowenglish.

    He deleted his SNOW account after the dud.

    He's only here to manufacture division. He's trash.

    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

    See what I have to deal with? These people are insane.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

    These people are insane.

    Says the Chinese transgender pedo.

    I almost doubt you're a transgender.

    You're probably a hermaphrodite

    [–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    You two deserve each other.

    [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    By far, my favorite ongoing Saidit gentlemanly disagreement, drama, catfight. And I almost missed this episode, re-run.

    [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

    your posts are toooooo long, learn how to be more persuasive!!!! Also, your insane, mentally-ill, crazy and a lunatic.

    /u/chipit

    Are these my words? ^ ^ ^ No. They are yours, whenever I posted anything exposing Trump, the Neocons or Zionism.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks. Now i know where to move my mountain, to keep pissing on him.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

    Nope.

    I just can't stand bitch-ass shills.

    [–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    chipit is a giagantic dick, yes, but his link was good in this case

    Judge the arguments, not the man

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    If the arguments are reasonable then it's close to certain someone else wrote the response and he typed it up.

    The guy is a dunce.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Dunce is to kind. That implies being naturally stupid. Pity those people.

    I'd say the guy is persistently stubborn and intentionally ignorant - or at least passes himself and his agenda off as such.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    It is not a meme. Use your brain finally.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    It is not a meme.

    do you know what sub this is?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Do i?

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    doesn't seem like it lol

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    [–]bobbobbybob 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    the left can't meme.

    [–]Niggertits 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

    Considering that logical thought leads inevitably to the conclusion that Jews run everything, this meme misses the mark. Plenty of conservatives are Jews.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    " Jews run everything "

    Completely false.

    Zionists do. Big difference.

    [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Zionists do now, but commie Bolsheviks, many of whom were Jews hated Zionists. They still do.

    But Neofascist Freemasons (the Gelli, Dulles types) and the billionaire oligarchs, and above all central banking families control everyone through credit and debt.

    [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    watch

    Are you a fan of Shapiro?

    [–]IAmSatan 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    The only "leftists" I hate are neoliberal autocrats larping as leftists and their transextremist cult.

    [–]Jesus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    You get it. Whose behind this tranny movement? Look at their parade sponsors, all commercial banks! The right folks, here, are even more triggered by a small demoralized crowd of neoliberals that they actually believe a ZioCon life long democrat who lets in more immgramts than Obama and calls himself Hamilton is somehow the constitutionalist we all need.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    ^

    [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    We need more Whitney Webb News here. Liberal news exposing corporations and the government as a whole.

    Just to spice things up. Because half of of the posts of all are sensationalized propaganda.

    [–]suckitreddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This is ironic. Stop making shit posts, and give us this thorough research that you want.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Fair point. I've posted some of my own research (mathematics, Syria), but it cannot be considered thorough by any reasonable standard.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

    You forgot the final galaxy brain: Jews bad

    [–]plumedoomer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    Not enough people know that last one, though.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

    It makes up most of the front page everyday. I think nearly everyone who goes on this site knows/believes it.

    [–]plumedoomer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

    Good.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

    I would think that debunks your claim that not enough people know about the last one.

    [–]plumedoomer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    I'm talking about irl.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Oh. I don't know much about that.

    [–]plumedoomer 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    LOL!

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    As in, I don't know what people think about leftists in real life, not that I don't know much about real life. I think it's obvious that most people dislike the rioters and looters, though.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    You'd need to distinguish between the old-Left and then insane SJW Corporate BLM Dems.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Corporate democrats? You mean the all white people are evil, force diversity into everything, easily triggered types are actually paid shills or something?

    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    The CIA has control of almost all the Dems. The Zionists and their media are running the show. George Soros and the like will bus the BLM protesters wherever they need to go and pay them and for the whole thing. Yes they're paid to be shills and divide.

    [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    The new left isn't liberalism. It's demoralized neoliberalism with no beef in the game. The real left, is still here.

    [–]WhoseTolerant 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    The lefts focused on mascots and whose on a syrup bottle.

    The rights focused on the rampent sex abuse and pedophilia going on.

    [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Fallacy... The right like Trump... Trump is a pedo and hangs out with pedos.

    [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I don't like Trump either, I think he's a puppet who failed to end any of the wars, but what evidence is there that he is a pedophile? (I haven't followed the Epstein case much.)

    [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I submitted many posts, with circumstantial evidence. Just scroll through my feed. He even hired Epstein's lawyer.

    [–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    circumstantial evidence.

    I bet you've ridden in more elevators with pedos than trump has, you pedo.

    you post here, with pedo chipit, so that makes you a pedo too

    and other such weak arsed arguments

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    A++

    [–]soyboy77 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Is this bait?

    [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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      [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      It's most of the front page everyday. It is obvious that there are rioters and looters in the streets of (some?) cities in the U.S.A. It is obvious that rioting and looting are bad. It doesn't need to be stated all the time. I would think that there are many greater insights that could be on the front page.

      [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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        [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Okay, but doesn't that debunk the idea that it needs to be known? Most people on here already 'know'/believe it.

        [–]Papitas 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I really miss the old "wild west" days of the internet. No matter where you go today, there's always at least one idiot trying to politize everything.

        [–]suckitreddit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        It's most of the front page everyday. It is obvious that there are rioters and looters in the streets of (some?) cities in the U.S.A. It is obvious that rioting and looting are bad. It doesn't need to be stated all the time. I would think that there are many greater insights that could be on the front page.

        You're on this website, too. You go ahead, and make the contribution that you want to see. But instead you submit this shit.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Fallacy

        [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        That's because a bunch of alt-right Trump supporters and ZioCons are here. They think Trump is right and a conservative.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        this is just The Pyramid of Debate with extra steps.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        I like your style. Like i already admitted, i did.

        [–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I don't recall ever conversing with you. When did you first say this?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I remember doing this. That's enough. It was another account.